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...is going smooth. :)
I just ended the turn. Never happened to me before in Pitboss. [^]
RegentMan
28-07-2006, 05:57
Aye that happened to me once. I think it was in the other one, though.
Tubby Rower
28-07-2006, 12:32
Anyone want to be my vassal? I'm taking applications now.
Requirements:
subserviant, low self esteem, not easily swayed by my opponents, willing to freely give me everything that I want when I need it.
pay:
low
You already got Feudalism? [eek]
Out of curiousity...not saying this happened [:p] but what's the order when two civs learn religion on the same turn? Is it the civ that gets on Pitboss first?
Tubby Rower
28-07-2006, 16:56
don't know. When Poly was coming in, I stayed logged in just to make sure [lol]. Test it out Whomp and wait until the last minute to log in.
I think its the same as the AI game..order of turn....in other words first one to press enter.
We need to test this out..everyone researching a religion should post the turn till. :D
Tubby Rower
28-07-2006, 17:31
I'm researching Divine Right and will get it in 198 turns
I am also doing Divine right(193 turns)...since I am "Arabia". I thought thats how religion is supposed to work in pitboss. You mean anyone can research and get any religion? I got Confusicism as china last time(CFC)...even without trying so I figured thats how it worked...
I think there's still an 'order of play', though that is effectively out of order in simultaneous moves, except for these cases. [rolleyes] I don't think it depends on who presses enter first, but who is first in the list when logging in.
Yer, i think that i would be the first as my civ is right at the top.
I won't be able to play the turn on Friday. Can play Thursday morning and Saturday night. If I leave it be like it is, is it OK, or stupid AI will reassign something there? If it will, then I need to ask for a sub for this turn.
it shouldnt do, just queue up your moves and build orders-missing a turn doesnt really matter its if you miss a couple of weeks of them :)
Darkness
03-08-2006, 11:24
quote:Originally posted by akots
I won't be able to play the turn on Friday. Can play Thursday morning and Saturday night. If I leave it be like it is, is it OK, or stupid AI will reassign something there? If it will, then I need to ask for a sub for this turn.
Akots, I recently missed a week, so I just set a build queue and a movement path for my explorer. That went just fine (besides the fact that the warrior got killed by a bear while I wasn't around to move him to safety... :( )
quote:Originally posted by akots
I won't be able to play the turn on Friday. Can play Thursday morning and Saturday night. If I leave it be like it is, is it OK, or stupid AI will reassign something there? If it will, then I need to ask for a sub for this turn.
Ah, now I understand what you were saying the other day when we were waiting for the turn to end. ;)
The AI won't take over your turn until our admin kicks you.
No the AI does take over after awhile if you dont do anything.
For instance i couldnt get into the 18 player for about a month and a half and when i came back id researched a few techs and built a worker and some units- things i had not set to do.
And you're sure DaveShack didn't kick you because you were so inactive for so long? This seems rather unlikely...
Tubby Rower
08-08-2006, 14:55
So... I've seen a lot of animals running around. I know of 3 scouts/scouting warriors that have perished. Luckily I've been there to finish off the animal in 2 of the cases [:p] Anyone else seeing the civ4 wildlife?
I had one warrior kill 2 lions..no losses yet.
Darkness
08-08-2006, 17:01
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
Anyone else seeing the civ4 wildlife?
Loads... :(
Only in Keyna. Lions and tigers only in Kenya. We got Norway in Kenya.
http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=723
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
And you're sure DaveShack didn't kick you because you were so inactive for so long? This seems rather unlikely...
nope because when i tried again one day the password was the same i just hadnt been able to play for a month-dont ask me :)
Kemal will play in my place while I'm gone...
Thank you, Kemal. [worship]
IglooDude
12-08-2006, 14:49
Uploader has been fixed. I think I was executing the old version of the uploader before, or something.
Also, I just figured out where pitboss automatically saves after each player's turn, so in the future (assuming the hard drive doesn't fail) any outage should mean no loss of turns at all, and reverting to right after the most recently played turn.
Tubby Rower
17-08-2006, 12:45
Tubby of the Fat Arsed has just extended an invitation to all peoples (except the grs people [lol]) to open borders between our nations. There is a rumor going around that there is a nation of Shacks inhabited by someone named Dave. Our Hindu mystics and shamen deny that they exist at least until there is proof of their existance.
In other news, the Great Yellow River running through Fat Boy City is causing health problems when it floods the local plains. Residents are advised never to drink yellow water.
I'll be travelling to Russia for about 3 weeks with intermittent internet access, Grahamiam will be playing the game during this time for Mali. Please make sure all deals will be fully honored. Detailed instructions sent.
Tubby Rower
18-08-2006, 11:31
I'd advise all pilgrams to Hinduism's Holiest city to be wary of the animals that lurk outside of the city liimits. I have no control over them, but have witnessed at least 4 weary travellers die in their paws.
yeah the bastards ate my warrior.......
You running a holy city or a zoo?
Tubby Rower
18-08-2006, 16:12
a holy zoo. We love cows especially [:p] ironically I have some in my borders. I might try to build a shine on them instead of a pasture [:p]
You shouldnt have said you have cows..now you just jumped up even higher on Whomnps attack list.
Just a reminder..I am heading out of town on Sunday till Wed. I left it with build que..please no one kill me. :)
from no.1 to no.1 then???
whomp would have to confirm that. Just like you are very high on my list, if no other reason so you can have more time to play our head to head saves.
Darkness
31-08-2006, 09:37
Seems a bit bloodless after ynnek's conquering of grs, doesn't it?
I'm kinda waiting to see who will be ynnek's next victim... :D
lol
im not totally sure who's around him but from what i heard tubby is- so i imagine he's building up his quechas.
Tubby Rower
31-08-2006, 13:54
yeah.... Quenchas I guess I should build some of those. I thought that this was going to be like SimCity and no one was building military.
On another note I have now met everyone. :D
socralynnek
31-08-2006, 14:00
I am building up my Mechanized Infantry to conquer the whole world in one turn...
Meanwhile I got Stonehenge. [king]
It took me seven whole turns to build it. [rolleyes]
And I actually hardly need it since I'm creative anyway. [tongue]
to me that smells quite badly of pointless :p
or you just helped someone make a pot of gold...not me :(
I thought about it since I have a religion but decided to stick with other builds.
RegentMan
03-09-2006, 19:39
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
Meanwhile I got Stonehenge. [king]
It took me seven whole turns to build it. [rolleyes]
And I actually hardly need it since I'm creative anyway. [tongue]
Hold on to it better than I did...
quote:Originally posted by RegentMan
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
Meanwhile I got Stonehenge. [king]
It took me seven whole turns to build it. [rolleyes]
And I actually hardly need it since I'm creative anyway. [tongue]
Hold on to it better than I did...
I almost said that but I had forgot who got it.
socralynnek
03-09-2006, 21:07
I need someone who takes over my Civ for two weeks. Krys, Beam, Shabba, anyone?
Darkness
10-09-2006, 16:35
I can't connect... :(
IglooDude
10-09-2006, 17:20
Power blip rebooted the pitboss machine, it'll be back up in about 5 min with the last autoreload.
I have returned but not yet fully. Hopefully grahamiam can continue for a few more days playing the turns for Mali while I try to gather the wits after extensive travel season.
RegentMan
26-09-2006, 23:12
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/TitanicWhiz18/PBEM/War.jpg
So tempting... [tongue]
IglooDude
28-09-2006, 18:07
By the way, there will be some planned pitboss server downtime next weekend (tentatively Friday noonish EST to Monday noonish), and a new IP address when it comes back up, due to an office move. Stay tuned for further details.
Cool, how come the office move igloo? new job or something?
IglooDude
29-09-2006, 04:04
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
Cool, how come the office move igloo? new job or something?
Naw, the office itself is moving to a different building, about a mile away. Lot of work, but the current landlord wants to rent the whole building out as a unit, and we only occupy half of it, so he won't renew the lease. So after I finished [aargh]ing, I just [assw]ed him and we'll make it happen. :D
lol oh how i can misinterpret that post! ;)
are you still playing in this game igloo or did you find a sub?
IglooDude
29-09-2006, 04:52
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
lol oh how i can misinterpret that post! ;)
are you still playing in this game igloo or did you find a sub?
No one volunteered, so I'm still playing. [cool] But at least I'm down to 2 games... Okay, soon to be three, but it's a 32-player game, how could I resist?
Besides, the OT Warlords game apparently has people sharpening their knives for the OT CivIVor LAoD members, so I'm kinda glad I handed off to Matrix there. [col]
lol, well i might do but that isnt anything to do with LAoD just more to do with my neighbours in most games not being around too long :D
Tubby Rower
29-09-2006, 12:20
I can't handle 18 player diplo.. how do you handle 32?
IglooDude
29-09-2006, 12:40
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
I can't handle 18 player diplo.. how do you handle 32?
I'll find out and let you know.
I'm not much on the diplomatic side myself sometimes, witness my tech situation in the grouphug game... [sulk]
i find 18 player game its best to just shout as loud as you can until someone listens (metaphorically speaking of course)
grahamiam
02-10-2006, 03:24
just to let everyone know, I've taken over for Akots. So you you have to contact the Mali, send a pm to me :)
is this permanent this time?
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
so I'm kinda glad I handed off to Matrix there. [col]
Same here. [^]
grahamiam
02-10-2006, 14:39
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
is this permanent this time?
I've been playing since mid August, when he went home for a visit, so it's been this way for a while now. I just forgot to post it here as I haven't seen many PM's regarding the game [blush]
oh right k, thought you were taking it in turns or something :)
IglooDude
04-10-2006, 14:30
Downtime will be this weekend, likely Thursday (tomorrow) 3PM EST until Monday 3PM EST.
HEy igloo...will you post the IP here? If you plan on PMing it could you send it to Robi D in addition to myself, he will be playing for me for a few days next week.
IglooDude
05-10-2006, 19:00
I anticipate PMing it (I'd rather not post it in a forum open to the public) so yeah I'll send it to Robi D as well.
IglooDude
05-10-2006, 22:09
Pitboss shutting down in 3... 2... 1...
You should get a civstats notification when it comes back up, given that there are under twenty minutes left in the current turn.
grahamiam
06-10-2006, 02:26
Please PM to me as well since I've taken over for akots. ty
I have not got anything either. Well, I guess, the IP will be known after the move. :)
IglooDude
06-10-2006, 12:11
Correct, I don't have the IP myself, yet.
And on an unrelated note, this move is the most fucked-up, badly planned, poorly managed move I've ever had the misfortune of participating in, and that's saying a lot. [aargh]
Sorry to hear that. Everything working out ok now?
By the way, could you please PM me my password for Civstats for this game?
i dont think its personal matrix, its in the main thread from what i remember try 'z' though that may be for another game.
IglooDude
09-10-2006, 12:01
Pitboss server update:
Because I got called in this morning for an emergency at 3AM (and didn't put the pitboss servers in the car) it is likely going to be tomorrow or Wednesday before they are back up.
IglooDude
10-10-2006, 23:52
We're back up now. [beer1]
Tubby Rower
11-10-2006, 12:27
took me at least 3 minutes this morning to figure out why it's up but I couldn't connect.... got it now. btw, I'm watching you Whomp ...
Double moves are not allowed, I hope? IglooDude and I are at war and we'll make sure no double moves are performed. But I do hope others will do so too.
Tubby Rower
19-10-2006, 21:07
"double moves" means don't wait until the end of the turn and then move twice.. But what if say I declare on Whomp tonight and he doesn't move before I get up in the morning and the turn has changed... I can still continue correct?
I agree on "no double moves" it's too powerful of an abuse. I'm just clarifying above ;)
Tubby Rower
19-10-2006, 21:22
Did I say Whomp???... I meant Matrix... [mischief]
I figured the no rules thing we had set meant that double moves we're allowed.
i dont mind but i thought that it was established we were able too?
We said no rules..therefore double moves should be allowed. No matter either way however I happen to think that its part of the game. I will often play at the end of the turn and then the begining of the next. So would I have to wait till my opponent played...hardly seems fair if I can only play at certain times.
Who started the war?
I attacked IglooDude, but he had Tubby and Darkness as ally. If I didn't attack ID, they would've attacked me sooner or later. Once again I failed at diplomacy. [rolleyes]
I hate double moves. Just so you know. Civ is turn based oriented. Simultaneous moves is the only thing that makes games with so many people possible, but 'double moves' are just pure abuse.
IglooDude
19-10-2006, 23:00
And though I personally have no grip with double moves (even factoring in that in this game had Matrix DM'ed me I'd be down one city right now), but if I'm aware that the person I'm fighting promises no DMs I'll respond in kind. I have the luxury of generally hitting my turns in either morning or evening every day.
That said, this game does not have a rule against them (I don't think - someone feel free to review the thread if you remember otherwise).
And Matrix, you're in for a world of hurt, you non-diplomacy-mastering bastard you... [estwing]
[doomsol]
Tubby Rower
19-10-2006, 23:40
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
And Matrix, you're in for a world of hurt, you non-diplomacy-mastering bastard you... [estwing]
[doomsol]
[lol]... ok then no DM'ing Matrix until we kill him (or I'm out of my 2nd big pitboss game [:P]) I wouldn't DM anyone I don't think.. mainly because I have a family and can't be bothered to figure out even when the turn ends
Darkness
20-10-2006, 00:51
Agreed on the no DM-thingy...
Thanks. :)
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
And Matrix, you're in for a world of hurt, you non-diplomacy-mastering bastard you... [estwing]
[doomsol]
I blame the smily. It's far too tempting to use it, but you gotta have a reason... [rolleyes]
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
BCLG, you did Matrix no favors by telling him I was weak... [col]quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
i didnt tell him that, i merely answered the questions he asked:)
Indeed. But something tells me you gave me very selective info for a reason. http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/cringe.gif
i can honestly say that the first i heard about igloo attacking was when the post today was in the forum.
Wow. We've got some action Jackson!
Whompie scurries to hide in his hole...
Digging my hole deeper than whomps...
Think I will switch a few builds to more military builds.
IglooDude
20-10-2006, 13:37
quote:Originally posted by Whomp
Wow. We've got some action Jackson!
Whompie scurries to hide in his hole...
Aren't you on a different continent or something? [hmm]
Sinc eyou got teh other thread locked Tubby ....
I am not aligned with BC. I have been trading freely with everyone. You were aligned with us in the begining and in your typical erratic fashion you bailed after you got what you wanted.
And in the offer of open disclosure..Igloo approached me and I said I was interested but not ready. Matrix approached me and told me he will be hitting Igloo. I told him I was not interested inhitting Igloo or in signing a defense agreement.
So as far as I cant be trusted Igloo adn matrix can back what I just wrote. Its you Tubby who have once again jumped from allaince to allaince and you can not be trusted. How long before you attack igloo or someone else who you are friends with.
I have no beef with anyone and I am not planning on gettign in to this war. People who fight too early usually dont do so well over all. CFC pitboss...the top 3 did not fight any wars early on.
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 15:29
I have not attacked anyone I have promised to be peaceful with. A friend asked me to join in on Matrix and I did... whether that was to my benefit will be played out over the next few weeks
the diplo screen reveals alliances.. I could pm anyone interested the alliances in this game :)
grahamiam
20-10-2006, 15:52
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Sinc eyou got teh other thread locked Tubby ....
I am not aligned with BC. I have been trading freely with everyone. You were aligned with us in the begining and in your typical erratic fashion you bailed after you got what you wanted.
And in the offer of open disclosure..Igloo approached me and I said I was interested but not ready. Matrix approached me and told me he will be hitting Igloo. I told him I was not interested inhitting Igloo or in signing a defense agreement.
So as far as I cant be trusted Igloo adn matrix can back what I just wrote. Its you Tubby who have once again jumped from allaince to allaince and you can not be trusted. How long before you attack igloo or someone else who you are friends with.
I have no beef with anyone and I am not planning on gettign in to this war. People who fight too early usually dont do so well over all. CFC pitboss...the top 3 did not fight any wars early on.
I give this post [guiness][guiness][guiness][guiness] out of a possible 5 [goodjob]
[drunks1]
quote:Originally posted by grahamiam
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Sinc eyou got teh other thread locked Tubby ....
I am not aligned with BC. I have been trading freely with everyone. You were aligned with us in the begining and in your typical erratic fashion you bailed after you got what you wanted.
And in the offer of open disclosure..Igloo approached me and I said I was interested but not ready. Matrix approached me and told me he will be hitting Igloo. I told him I was not interested inhitting Igloo or in signing a defense agreement.
So as far as I cant be trusted Igloo adn matrix can back what I just wrote. Its you Tubby who have once again jumped from allaince to allaince and you can not be trusted. How long before you attack igloo or someone else who you are friends with.
I have no beef with anyone and I am not planning on gettign in to this war. People who fight too early usually dont do so well over all. CFC pitboss...the top 3 did not fight any wars early on.
I give this post [guiness][guiness][guiness][guiness] out of a possible 5 [goodjob]
[drunks1]
I will take that as a compliment...
[beer1]
IglooDude
20-10-2006, 16:05
I almost feel bad that what probably would have been a simple little war between Matrix and I has resulted in so much international wailing and gnashing of teeth... [blush]
Actually... I don't feel bad. :D Does that make me a bad person? [nowait]
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 16:05
Robboo is much much better than I am at trash-talking.. he should really request a trasfer to trash-talking U (U of Miami) [lol]
Darkness
20-10-2006, 16:12
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Sinc eyou got teh other thread locked Tubby ....
Actually, that was me... :D
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
Robboo is much much better than I am at trash-talking.. he should really request a trasfer to trash-talking U (U of Miami) [lol]
now thats low even for you Tubby...[assw] (OT// U of M loss the peach bowl and got 2 players knocked silly in the tunnel when they tried to start a fight with my Tigers.)
My trash talking is backed up....usually. I may just have to attack you Tubby to show that I mean business. Last time I attacked you in pitboss...I removed you from the game. Want to see if history can repeat itself.[backstab]
(Preemptive Tubby reply reply....I promised to not let Robi use my land to attack you...I never said anything about not attacking you myself. )
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 16:47
Well you had to get Robi to attack me before you walked into my cities... this time it won't be so easy [:P]
On a more practical note: to avoid DM's, I have to wait for IglooDude to play his turn, and Darkness and Tubby have to wait for me. Since I'm always around when the turn ends, may I play before ID from now on? You don't have to wait for each other, after all. :)
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
And in the offer of open disclosure..Igloo approached me and I said I was interested but not ready. Matrix approached me and told me he will be hitting Igloo. I told him I was not interested inhitting Igloo or in signing a defense agreement.
So as far as I cant be trusted Igloo adn matrix can back what I just wrote.
http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/tiphat.gif
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
Well you had to get Robi to attack me before you walked into my cities... this time it won't be so easy [:P]
So you wont mind my units walking around scouting then...
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 17:12
Matrix... As far as I'm concerned, a 5 hours delay in moves is sufficient even if you get in 2 moves before someone else. The benefit of simultaneous turns is completely nullified if we have to start waiting for others to play.
my definition of a DM is when you wait until the end of a turn and move for one turn, then end your turn, then use up the next turn's movement as well. anything else is fine with me
Can't say I agree with you here, but fact is I asked you to play in turn. I'd like to break that rule once, so I need your permission. ;) But it seems you don't mind. Besides, IglooDude can't get to me this turn anyway...
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 17:23
I personally don't mind.
IglooDude
20-10-2006, 17:29
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
Can't say I agree with you here, but fact is I asked you to play in turn. I'd like to break that rule once, so I need your permission. ;) But it seems you don't mind. Besides, IglooDude can't get to me this turn anyway...
You running your turns first is fine with me as well, btw.
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 18:02
because I'm a little slow... let me make sure that I understand....
I need to make sure that Matrix plays each turn before I move?
Yes. But I promise you won't have to wait for long. ;)
man I disagree with this whole process.
DM to me is holding up the turn so you can move press enter and let it roll to the next turn either by time or by being the last person to play. THen you play the next turn. All this playing in order stuff is not what a live action Civ pitboss game is about. If we wanted to do that why not play it as a PBEM.
I will not do what I and Tubby described as a double move but I will play when I can and not wait for my opponent in a war. If he has to wait thats his problem. I can not and will not set my life by waitign for someone else to play. I have a job and kids and a wife...if I want to keep them I play when I can.
We said "no rules" but this is becomign a massive rule and counter rule mess. Nothing more ticks me off more than discussing rules after we start playing.
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 18:54
to be honest... I usually only have in the mornings before work that I can play. So I'll play then. If the turn ends with my turn, I won't take the next turn. Sorry if this causes me to be a jerk Matrix, but I have a family as well and my wife has threatened more than once in the past to break my civ cd.
So I'll have to continue with the way that I've been playing. Double moves such as I have described above are abusive and I don't use them and would prefer others not to use them. But taking our turns in order does seem moronic since we are not playing sequential turns. If you want sequential turns, we need to switch to a PBEM so I can take my turn when I can.
[sigh] I obviously have a lot more easy going wife. [rolleyes]
It probably won't matter as I'll play as soon as the turn begins. But just a slight bit of organisation is way easier than switching to PBEM, where all the players not involved in this war also play in turn. You're making it much more of a problem than it actually is, and you obviously underestimate the negative effects of double moves. I mean, I could've destroyed IglooDude's city!
Well, "no rules" means "no rules" imho whether one likes it or not. If somebody values their city too much, they can log in at the end of turn and try to do whatever they can. Otherwise, it is free for grabbing.
IMvHO double move is not a bug or a glitch of a Pitboss game but is a feature of a Pitboss game and actually of any MP simultaneous moves game and if you don't like it, don't play it. Play either PBEM or turn-based MP. IMvvHHO.
Rather valid tactics for MP games which I have seen used by other players a lot and have used myself alot is not moving during the turn but pressing end of turn while waiting for others to move. When your opponent against which you are trying to wage a war had pressed end of turn, you waken your units and start moving them around while trying to threaten his already moved units. Hopefully, you can end up last to end the turn and then would have a decent chance to actually being able to attack him during the beginning of following turn by spamming throught the arrow keys. Games can be won or lost because of this and this is pretty valid strategy for any MP game.
Another thing is that people are playing when they can. So why should somebody wait for his opponent to move if he can play now? Again repeating, if his opponent values his city that much, he should either install Civ4 at work or set an alarm clock at 3 am or whatever time the end of turn is anticipated and try to make double move himslef which might actually save his ass with about 50% probability. Otherwise, this basically kills the idea of a Pitboss game.
However, later in the game, this plays lesser role but still imho battles in simultaneous moves games are fun and if somebody does not like it, then they should just stick with PBEM or turn-based MP from the very beginning. Everyone who signed up for this one had been aware of the DM feature and yet it had not been discussed earlier and "no rules" rule had been essentially accepted.
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
... Nothing more ticks me off more than discussing rules after we start playing.
Well, agree here completely with you Robboo. I just do not understand the point here. Not that we are discussing some new explot or bug or glitch, no. It is a feature and if somebody does not like it, do not play that kind of game. For slow movers like me there is some time lag on the server rumored to be 6 seconds but actually is somewhat less than that.
IglooDude
20-10-2006, 20:03
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
[sigh] I obviously have a lot more easy going wife. [rolleyes]
It probably won't matter as I'll play as soon as the turn begins. But just a slight bit of organisation is way easier than switching to PBEM, where all the players not involved in this war also play in turn. You're making it much more of a problem than it actually is, and you obviously underestimate the negative effects of double moves. I mean, I could've destroyed IglooDude's city!
Just to be clear here - I'm not DMing Matrix only because he noted at the beginning of the war that he wasn't DMing. My agreement with him does not extend to or necessarily affect others fighting me, or others fighting Matrix. I fully expect to DM BCLG in this game sooner or later. [tank] And the game rules do not prohibit DMing, there is no discussion of "the rules" in this thread as far as I can see, just tactics and agreements.
Akots, do you realise that such tactics for playing simultaneous turns actually takes far more time than playing in turn? You and Tubby are contradicting each other.
Tubby Rower
20-10-2006, 20:40
I'm so confused [confused] Games aren't supposed to be this mentally taxing :(
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
Akots, do you realise that such tactics for playing simultaneous turns actually takes far more time than playing in turn? You and Tubby are contradicting each other.
Well, it does take less time because you've got to move your stuff in a Pitboss game only during a single timespan over a period of 2 turns. Just to make sure to login at the end of turn and wait for a few minutes. And then can move again and forget all together about the game for 48 hours to come. ;)
And I'm not arguining with anyone here. You play like you want and let others play like they want and find it convenient for themselves as well.
DaveShack
22-10-2006, 20:15
Discussions of DM are going on several places...
My opinion is that this game was set up as "no rules" so there is nothing enforceable. Particular pairs or groups of players may agree to follow a certain convention.
Giving advance warning of a DM to invert the move order and make it easy on everyone is very honorable. Matrix improved his rep in my eyes by doing that. :D
On a purely academic basis...
A DM in a two-player context is swapping "move order" by either the player who "normally" plays second to arrage to move first in a turn, or the one who "normally" plays first to arrange to play last. This supposes that "move order" is a valid concept for simultaneous turns, which several people have asserted that it is, and several say that it is not.
If you think of simultaneous turns as being just a faster PBEM with an implied move order, then a DM is inherently self-correcting if the players resume their normal play order, and it's a one-time inversion of the play order if they don't.
A B | A B | B A | B A | B A the players have swapped order
A B | A B | B A | A B | A B both players did a DM and back to normal
Clearly, the 2nd player is the only one who can actually do a DM. The 1st player can force the 2nd player to DM in order to get a DM opportunity on the next turn, by delaying his turn until the 2nd player is forced to DM.
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
Just to be clear here - I'm not DMing Matrix only because he noted at the beginning of the war that he wasn't DMing. My agreement with him does not extend to or necessarily affect others fighting me, or others fighting Matrix. I fully expect to DM BCLG in this game sooner or later. [tank] And the game rules do not prohibit DMing, there is no discussion of "the rules" in this thread as far as I can see, just tactics and agreements.
on right are we not friends then? i havnt done anything in the way of not friendlyness....
IglooDude
23-10-2006, 01:56
We're friends, you were just a convenient name to put in there. [drunks1]
so wait a minute are we allowing DM'ing then? just a little confused i assume we are and ill play like that until someone tells me we're not :)
DM's are allowed here. I just don't like that, so I...avoid it and they help along. ;)
IglooDude
23-10-2006, 20:19
And on an unrelated note, Matrix's city Goon has been renamed to Inner Mongolia, befitting its new management. :D
RegentMan
23-10-2006, 21:52
Bah! Greater Mongolia has a nicer ring to it...
[mischief]
Tubby Rower
24-10-2006, 12:17
only if your whipped [:p]
IglooDude
24-10-2006, 12:28
Currently Matrix owns Greater Mongolia, I'm in the process of fixing that (with a little help from my friends). [beer1]
Tubby Rower
24-10-2006, 12:30
don't forget your place there igloo [:P]
look at the big bad tubby rower in this game.... [:p]
IglooDude
24-10-2006, 19:43
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
don't forget your place there igloo [:P]
Fair enough - my friends are beating up Matrix with a little help from me. [yeah]
So have your friends taken a city yet ...??
Give us details....news from the front type stuff.
Tubby Rower
26-10-2006, 12:17
no not yet, but was I expected too? [lol]
IglooDude
26-10-2006, 13:41
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
no not yet, but was I expected too? [lol]
I thought it was first-come, first-serve - Matrix came at me first, so I'm the first to serve him a can of...
Nevermind. [blush]
Anyway, if he doesn't come up with some more defense in his capital in the next couple turns, "Greater Mongolia" will be much farther along in its liberation. [doomsol]
It is a motivating little image, isn't it? [lol]
socralynnek
26-10-2006, 13:49
The uploader at civstats timed out...just wanted to let you know...
IglooDude
26-10-2006, 14:13
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
The uploader at civstats timed out...just wanted to let you know...
Thanks, I just restarted the uploader, didn't need to do a game reload, so Robboo's and my turns are safe.
Tubby: "Why are there axes on my borders"
ME: "There in your borders now."
Tubby I sent an offer.. Accept it and you can live. Dont accept it and You will be out of the war makign business. I will allow you vassal status.
Tubby Rower
27-10-2006, 13:16
I figured you'd do that. You were always a bad neighbor. [:p]
bad nieghbor... I carried you almost the entire CFC game. :assw
Darkness
27-10-2006, 16:57
Now ladies... Don't make me come over there and seperate the two of you... ;)
Or you two can do this Meli-style: Handbags at noon! [meli]
:D
Wow.wow.wow! Anger and disgust! What are you guys doing? Where did it all go wrong? Clemson vs. LSU? Davemcw beatdowns? Cheating people out of techs? [mischief]
I was convinced to do honestly. :)
We are not really angery at each other. I was just tired of carrying Tubby so I decided it woudl be better to just kill his cities off. I also decided not to be hemmed in by Tubby expanse again.
Whomp...keep your no tech knowing self quiet...I thought you were in a hole hiding. I can open borders with you now since my suprise was launched. I couldnt have you telling Tubby what was stacking up out of his sight.
IglooDude
27-10-2006, 23:51
Whomp is on the same continent as the rest of us? [eek]
apparanly so, bernie can keep a secret as i did tell him of an attack last night :)
cody is emergency subbing for me while im at home for the weekend (unforseen circumstances)
ID would you be able to sub for 18 player pitboss? i know its short notice and my apologies
IglooDude
28-10-2006, 15:20
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
apparanly so, bernie can keep a secret as i did tell him of an attack last night :)
cody is emergency subbing for me while im at home for the weekend (unforseen circumstances)
ID would you be able to sub for 18 player pitboss? i know its short notice and my apologies
Sure thing. PM me the login info?
And Matrix, nice reinforcement of your capital...[sulk]
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
And Matrix, nice reinforcement of your capital...[sulk]
http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/jump.gif
Tubby Rower was threatening the city of Har, but ran with his tail between his legs. http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/snicker.gif
Darkness tried to threaten me with two archers... http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/scratch.gif
And IglooDude is now facing me and BCLG100. http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/beer.gif
We definitely need more spoiler threads here at CDZ... (hint, hint)
i forget that there arnt people playing in this game actually at cdz :D
and cheers igloo but i got matrix to play in the end for me :)
DaveShack
29-10-2006, 00:58
Umm, folks...
Beating up on my vassals (umm, I mean associates :D) will earn you preferential treatment towards an eventual trip to the sidelines. [charge] I know, not much of a warning given you might not even know who my vassals (associates :D) are, but beware.[evil]
Note to governors: build more units NOW!
im going to guess tubby and darkness? they seem to have same techs as you....
Dave...I have associates also who are not fighting....anyone...yet. :)
IglooDude
29-10-2006, 13:14
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
And Matrix, nice reinforcement of your capital...[sulk]
http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/jump.gif
Tubby Rower was threatening the city of Har, but ran with his tail between his legs. http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/snicker.gif
Darkness tried to threaten me with two archers... http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/scratch.gif
And IglooDude is now facing me and BCLG100. http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/beer.gif
I'm facing you and BCLG, or you with a unit or two bought from BCLG?
BCLG100 was kind enough to gift it to me, if you'd like to know.
IglooDude
29-10-2006, 14:06
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
BCLG100 was kind enough to gift it to me, if you'd like to know.
Just because the price is not immediately paid, does not mean that it is a gift. [lol]
Anyway, no worries, it slows but does not stop the advance. [karate]
Igloo and Darkness...just to tell you. I have no quarrel with you and hope we can not meet on the field of battle. I have no plans to help matrix with gifts or by declaring on you or any one but Tubby. Attacking Tubby was planned...you guys just helped speed it up a bit. :)
Daveshack...you lack of a reply about my non-aggression pact is making my silent partners antsy. We really should talk soon before someone does something rash.
Tubby Rower
30-10-2006, 12:26
Silent partners are not very silent robboo..your idle threats are not very scary [:p]
and yet i havent loss a unit to you yet...
1 cat, 1 HA and 1 quechen and I got 3 promotions. I think swords are on teh menu to kill next...move it or lose it. :)
Tubby Rower
30-10-2006, 13:16
bring it on there you gumbo eating turd-burgular
seee now this is the kind of smack talk i like, none of that crap that goes on in whomps forum between him and darkness!
Tubby Rower
30-10-2006, 14:34
[lol] I am to please... my trash talking is slightly better than my fighting skillz. Although neither are envious at all :(
Darkness
30-10-2006, 15:16
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
seee now this is the kind of smack talk i like, none of that crap that goes on in whomps forum between him and darkness!
Oh come on...
He's on the bottom of the league, so I have to go easy on the guy... :D
Tubby....I have done more than enough to hurt you. I can sit back and wait now for you to bring your pathetic army to me whihc i can out produce by the way. You have loss 1/3 of your cities. And you are about to lose a whole bunch of units.
Your horse archer cried like a girl when we speared him to death. Now we will soon see your swords adn crossbow crying also. We hit one problem...we ran out of body bags so could you have taht worker with them carrying some. We hate to let our dead enemies rot in the open.
Come get me little civ...if you think you can handle it. Short of you getting outside help. Your game is about to end.
Tubby Rower
31-10-2006, 12:31
bring it on you loser... you will not win this battle or the war. at best it'll be a stalemate for you. You realize that by you band of losers and my band of losers fighting each other, the other quieter band of losers grow unopposed? Why do you always have to start crap up in these games?
IglooDude
31-10-2006, 13:22
Matrix, Darkness, Tubby and I have agreed on a peace treaty. [beer1]
socralynnek
31-10-2006, 13:23
boring...
Tubby Rower
31-10-2006, 14:14
quote:boring...:D you haven't looked to my south have you?
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
bring it on you loser... you will not win this battle or the war. at best it'll be a stalemate for you. You realize that by you band of losers and my band of losers fighting each other, the other quieter band of losers grow unopposed? Why do you always have to start crap up in these games?
well cos that band of losers are actually really far behind! look at whomp-doesnt even know how to tie his shoelaces yet!
Tubby Rower
31-10-2006, 16:18
but he does have a nice shiny head [:p]
RegentMan
31-10-2006, 19:24
Forgot you had to be logged in for the Oracle to take effect. :(
I was wondering why it hadn't been built yet...
Tubby Rower
31-10-2006, 19:49
[lol] so you have it built but never got the free tech?
Well Tubby..what say you and I make peace i was tryign to give Matrix a hand in teh war adn now it seems that has been accomplished. I will Pm you with details.. I am sure a deal can be worked out so we dont stalemate ourselves into teh losers of this game.
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Igloo and Darkness...just to tell you. I have no quarrel with you and hope we can not meet on the field of battle. I have no plans to help matrix with gifts or by declaring on you or any one but Tubby. Attacking Tubby was planned...you guys just helped speed it up a bit. :)
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Well Tubby..what say you and I make peace i was tryign to give Matrix a hand in teh war adn now it seems that has been accomplished. I will Pm you with details.. I am sure a deal can be worked out so we dont stalemate ourselves into teh losers of this game.
That doesn't really correspond, Robboo. It was exactly that passage that made me think the my only concern about the peace was agreements with BCLG100, and not with you.
Thats true matrix...our "deal" was more of me just saying I would help you out if I could. And I did...We had no deal but I had hoped to see you return the favor in the future if you could. We will see if that day comes or not.
RegentMan
01-11-2006, 08:28
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
[lol] so you have it built but never got the free tech?
Yep. I pulled a grs.
Darkness
01-11-2006, 09:40
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Igloo and Darkness...just to tell you. I have no quarrel with you and hope we can not meet on the field of battle. I have no plans to help matrix with gifts or by declaring on you or any one but Tubby. Attacking Tubby was planned...you guys just helped speed it up a bit. :)
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Well Tubby..what say you and I make peace i was tryign to give Matrix a hand in teh war adn now it seems that has been accomplished. I will Pm you with details.. I am sure a deal can be worked out so we dont stalemate ourselves into teh losers of this game.
That doesn't really correspond, Robboo. It was exactly that passage that made me think the my only concern about the peace was agreements with BCLG100, and not with you.
Interesting statements Robboo. Both entirely contradicting the other off course. That makes me wonder what you are really up to...
Maybe I should have my number 1 ranked military swing south for a bit?
I was doign exactly what i said...giving matrix a hand. He wanted a defensive pact and I said no. I said I would help were I could. Tubby's city just sittgin there with a quechen while I had a stack of axes was to much to resist. I was hoping/planning to attack tubby later in the game. BUT much much much later on after a few others had been removed. I was not going to attack anyone till cannons.
Tubby declined my peace deal...said he loss a city so no peace without a price.....
Ohhhh K so we will still be fighting until something will be worked out.
Tubby Rower
01-11-2006, 12:47
tell Simon to send in his troops near Har. This might get bloody. Armegeddon comes early in this game
You tell simon....I havent talked to him about this game recently. I am just getting ready for when Simons non-aggression pact with me ends.
Tubby Rower
01-11-2006, 13:13
I can give you intel on his troops passing through HAr if you need it. [:p]
only if you plan on signing peace...and helping me kill him later. Still to early as we still have a deal to not fight.
jesus why dont you both tell me! :p
those troops were actually gonna go and give igloo a bit of whoopass but there on their way back now if you must know oh tubby one[:p]
Tubby Rower
01-11-2006, 17:06
just using my Krishna Eye (patent pending)
Darkness
01-11-2006, 17:11
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
those troops were actually gonna go and give igloo a bit of whoopass
You must have lost your way somewhere along the line then... ;)
Either that or you're taking the scenic way home... [crazyeye]
roads=quicker travel and they are returning to one of my cities
You fuckers have a nice day, mkay? That's all I have to say today.
Tubby Rower
01-11-2006, 20:39
well Robboo has helped me rid myself of that crappy religion of Whomp's.. so thank you Robboo.
IglooDude
01-11-2006, 23:49
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
jesus why dont you both tell me! :p
those troops were actually gonna go and give igloo a bit of whoopass but there on their way back now if you must know oh tubby one[:p]
Careful there buddy, Matrix tried to give me a bit of whoopass and see what happened to him.
[doomsol]
Damn that's a cool smily.:)
Tubby adn I have agreed to peace. Nice doign business with you Tubby..anytime you want me to remove an foriegn relgion let me know.
IglooDude
02-11-2006, 14:00
So what do we do now, unite, research galleon tech and go hunt down and whack the other continent? [tubs]
Tubby Rower
02-11-2006, 14:04
I already have astronomy.. you just can't see it due to your lack of prerequisites [lol]
IglooDude
02-11-2006, 14:48
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
I already have astronomy.. you just can't see it due to your lack of prerequisites [lol]
Did I say galleons? I meant satellites, of course. [assw]
congrats to graham/akots- not totally sure which one of you is playing on completing the great library :)
Tubby Rower
02-11-2006, 17:29
the big question is why did Simon gain 31 points in one turn....
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
the big question is why did Simon gain 31 points in one turn....
birthday present :)
Tubby Rower
02-11-2006, 18:43
happy birthday then [:P] [party]
sids my dad, cept he left me at birth, he just figured ' i know, what would simon really like on his birthday- i know 31 points!'
Tubby Rower
02-11-2006, 18:56
[rotfl][rotfl][rotfl][rotfl]
im really tempted to add igloos post in my bday thread to a sig somewhere, i was laughing for 5 mins when i saw it.
DaveShack
04-11-2006, 22:20
I'm glad to see the neighborhood has returned to a quiet state, though the number of stray military formations seems to be on the rise. I'd like to take this chance to reassure the residents of surrounding communities that my tourists are merely that. Pay no attention to their swarthy appearance or unusually heavy walking sticks. They have had all their immunizations and we're fairly certain they are not carrying any unsavory pathogens.
dave..dont mind my troops..just checking out where your borders lie sinc eyou added that city. They will be returning home soon enough.
You are correct...there is alot of differnt civs troops lookind around there.
dave..dont mind my troops..just checking out where your borders lie sinc eyou added that city. They will be returning home soon enough.
You are correct...there is alot of differnt civs troops lookind around there.
IglooDude
05-11-2006, 17:26
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
im really tempted to add igloos post in my bday thread to a sig somewhere, i was laughing for 5 mins when i saw it.
Glad you had a slightly happier birthday then. [beer1]
first time ive been sober since then really :) gotta catch up on my MP and the such like.
IglooDude, I want Goon back. No more, no less. But you can choose: give it, or loose it.
Tubby Rower
09-11-2006, 20:35
[lol] has that been 10 turns.
Tubby Rower
09-11-2006, 21:53
I take it hat you are in on this too Simon?
Glad I am not involved...yet:)
Hey Tubby...let me know if you feel left out.
No, it's just me, IglooDude, and the people of Goon yearning to rejoin their fellow Stralanders.
IglooDude
09-11-2006, 23:05
Hmmm... it is a very tempting offer, let me check with my advisors and see whether we are interested in keeping that filthy hellhole of a town.
Darkness
09-11-2006, 23:38
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
IglooDude, I want Goon back. No more, no less. But you can choose: give it, or loose it.
Back off Matrix. Unless you want another war with more than one adversary?
If you declare war on Igloo, I will declare war on you. And this time it will not be only archers that you'll see.
Bite me. I'll get Goon, whatever happens next is up to you. But I won't play on with merely three cities.
What would you get out of this anyway? And least of all, is it worth the trouble? I've been doing nothing but building units. So for whatever reasons you offered peace to me last time, there is more reason to keep it this time. But that's just my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
I take it hat you are in on this too Simon?
nope, first ive genuinly heard about this :)
Darkness
10-11-2006, 08:18
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
Bite me. I'll get Goon, whatever happens next is up to you. But I won't play on with merely three cities.
What would you get out of this anyway? And least of all, is it worth the trouble? I've been doing nothing but building units. So for whatever reasons you offered peace to me last time, there is more reason to keep it this time. But that's just my opinion.
War it is then.... [estwing]
Tubby Rower
10-11-2006, 11:57
Matrix, I hear Robboo has some nice cities you could expand into
yeah except i have a bit of an edge tech and unitwise on matrix...
IglooDude
10-11-2006, 15:00
quote:Originally posted by Matrix
Bite me. I'll get Goon, whatever happens next is up to you. But I won't play on with merely three cities.
What would you get out of this anyway? And least of all, is it worth the trouble? I've been doing nothing but building units. So for whatever reasons you offered peace to me last time, there is more reason to keep it this time. But that's just my opinion.
And you, in turn, can bite me. You only lost Goon after attacking me in the first place. I'll not give it back with interest, so you can have it (I've evacuated), but you'll destroy the library in taking it.
And I'm absolving everyone else here of any obligation to declare on you when you declare on me.
Sweet. More anger and disgust.
IglooDude
10-11-2006, 16:07
quote:Originally posted by Whomp
Sweet. More anger and disgust.
Well, call it annoyance - it isn't like we were all going to live peacefully holding hands and singing kumbayah until we find the other continent. [karate]
grahamiam
10-11-2006, 16:36
there's another continent? crap, i really ought to check the settings of this game :)
another continent...whoaaa.
note to self...build boats...
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
quote:Originally posted by Whomp
Sweet. More anger and disgust.
Well, call it annoyance - it isn't like we were all going to live peacefully holding hands and singing kumbayah until we find the other continent. [karate]
oh.... i must have misunderstood this game then...
IglooDude
10-11-2006, 19:02
Well, I'm assuming another continent, given who I haven't met yet.
i think you need to explore some more ID....
I think tubby mentioned he met everyone and i think i have also.
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
Well, I'm assuming another continent, given who I haven't met yet.
Umm...hmm....
quote:Originally posted by IglooDude
Well, I'm assuming another continent, given who I haven't met yet.
http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/snicker.gif
ID this is a one continent game....
ive met everyone-cept grs-now wheres he got too????
Darkness
11-11-2006, 09:41
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
ive met everyone-cept grs-now wheres he got too????
[lol]
I think Ynnek spotted him, but that was a long time ago... ;)
socralynnek
11-11-2006, 11:03
yeah, probably I was the only one who met him...
IglooDude
11-11-2006, 13:35
Sheeesh... Well, I guess when you're way the hell over at one end of the continent, it makes sense to not have met everyone over at the other end.
*waves to as-yet-mythical fellow players*
Anyone want to place odds on if ID ever sees those players.
/I was starting to guess we were playing with a barb continent since ID kept saying that.
Tubby Rower
11-11-2006, 18:14
[lol]
IglooDude
12-11-2006, 01:19
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
Anyone want to place odds on if ID ever sees those players.
/I was starting to guess we were playing with a barb continent since ID kept saying that.
Assuming Matrix will stop hassling me, eventually a caravel expedition will test the wacky theory that by going east, we'll eventually end up west. We'd figured that the Romans or the Spanish would do this, but they've apparently failed their historical imperatives. [tubs]
DaveShack
17-11-2006, 18:55
To whom it may concern,
My coastal city placement is only to get a coastal city. I have no further interest in expanding in that direction. It seemed more polite to found my own city than to covet another's.
Coveting is loveting. [fdevil]
Tubby Rower
17-11-2006, 19:49
The Bible says not to covet your neighbor's possessions... but what about 2 doors down? [lol]
DaveShack
17-11-2006, 23:28
Well, there is a for now implied there.
IglooDude
29-11-2006, 12:42
Matrix, I took a hankering to Goon and I want it back. And maybe your capital as well, haven't decided yet.
And I can't speak for Darkness or Tubby, but I'll continue to abide by no-DMing when fighting you (and now I feel your pain, I'd own Goon already if I DM'ed it)...
Tubby Rower
29-11-2006, 13:01
quote:And I can't speak for Darkness or TubbyDon't get me involved here. I did see a Robboo caravan of units headed NE though[mischief]
ahhh..Tubby definition of caravan is one unit??? I had a horse running up there looking around then i sent him home. Now if you mean the ax on my worker that is just to stop you from getting stupid. Keep up this bringing my name up and I may just have to shut your civ down permanently. Our deal ends soon... you shouldn't forget that Tubby.
Tubby Rower
29-11-2006, 15:34
quote:that is just to stop you from getting stupidoptimistic aren't we... Nothing can stop me from being stupid [lol]
OK more to prevent your stupidity to be directed at my poor little worker. Now if we can come to a no attack worker deal we may have a peaceful border. But then again...your stupidity may be a problem. :LOL
IglooDude
29-11-2006, 17:01
Sorry, Matrix, Goon was filled with Christians (and not much else) so I felt it best for all concerned to just raze it and start over.
Darkness
30-11-2006, 11:18
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
I had a horse running up there looking around then i sent him home.
Yes, apparently that guy didn't like Chinese tea, so he went home again... ;)
Just killing a few black spaces was all he was doing...
IglooDude
01-12-2006, 17:00
Okay, who here is up for a Christmas break on the game? I'm cool either way, and it won't take more than a few people answering affirmatively to get one.
socralynnek
01-12-2006, 17:01
as said in the other thread, I can't play from 12-22 evening til 12-27 afternoon.
Tubby Rower
01-12-2006, 17:06
yeah.. I'll be away from 12-26 to around 12-31 so I won't be able to play and would appreciate a pause.
my dates are the same as Tubbys.
grahamiam
01-12-2006, 18:01
I'll be gone the 24th thru the 27th, and maybe more (things are very fluid right now, trying to visit friends and such).
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