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digger760
20-05-2003, 09:24
Am i the only poor bastard stuck with dial up modem. If i had broad band i might never have played PBEM.
What is you type of internet connection.
I have the network at work, but the firewall onlys allows PBEM, I have dial-up at home.
ADSL 2MB download / 1MB upload :)
Nice Skyfish! [eek]
Cable Modem: 512K downstream and 128k upstream, although I only pay the price for a much smaller connection. (£15/month) [groucho]
ADSL, average dl 90kbs/sec
digger760
20-05-2003, 09:52
heres something that confuses me. 512K i think that means kilobits per second, just like 56k is 56 kilobits per second = 7 kilobytes per second.
I presume Erikks figure is in kilobytes per second.
Just to keep me sane i can download at work upto 200 kilobytes per second, but normally is about 45 kilobytes per second.
At home 4-5 kilobyes per second [sleep]
Erikk's giving the "real" download time he gets, his subscription is probably for a 256k dl speed, or even a 512....but that's advertised speed, not real speed.
I pay more than 15 quid a week believe me ;)
Yeah, it is real speed! I doint know what the advertised speed is. Probably 256K I guess.
quote:Originally posted by digger760
heres something that confuses me. 512K i think that means kilobits per second, just like 56k is 56 kilobits per second = 7 kilobytes per second.
I presume Erikks figure is in kilobytes per second.
Just to keep me sane i can download at work upto 200 kilobytes per second, but normally is about 45 kilobytes per second.
At home 4-5 kilobyes per second [sleep]
As a former Dutch telecom employee who worked in the network connection field I can confirm your assumption.
All advertised speeds in the Netherlands are kbits/sec
we have 256kb, 512kb, 768kb, 1Mb, 2Mb download configs for sale
I have 768 kbits download at the office. BUt a lot of programs use kbytes to display dowload speed. 768/8=96 kbytes. So your not losing 85% in speed, it's just another way of displaying the same.
I suspect Erikk has standard ADSL (768kbits for most providers in the Netherlands) and then 90 kbytes is pretty decent.
If Erikk has 256kbits and has 90kbits real speed then thats a lot of lost speed. not normal imo.
On my 512kbit connection I somtimes get up to 200kbytes, so at times I have an effective 2Mbit connection. [dance]
I guess they can't flog enough Cable Modems to push the bandwidth down...
Yeah I have standard ADSL! It has been upgraded some months ago, with the introduction of ADSL Lite for 35 euro! I used to have 43Kbs/second, now it has doubled! :D
DrAlimentado
20-05-2003, 14:03
digger, I am also in dial-up hell. 4-5 kbps... plus an auto-disconnect every 2 hours, random disconnects if I try and send mail, msn and browse all at once and the indignity of a shared phone line.
WildFire
20-05-2003, 14:10
Cable
digger760
20-05-2003, 14:51
quote:Originally posted by DrAlimentado
digger, I am also in dial-up hell. 4-5 kbps... plus an auto-disconnect every 2 hours, random disconnects if I try and send mail, msn and browse all at once and the indignity of a shared phone line.
Have you tried upgrading two tin cans connected with string? At least you can call it your own phone line.
DrAlimentado
20-05-2003, 15:56
[lol] that's about the sum of it sadly.
ERIKK and PP do you know this site www.speedtest.nl , it let you test your real connection speed.
It shows that actually CABLE has better overall bandwitdth than ADSL :(
@skyfish, that link doesn't work for me ?!?
Sorry there was a comma in the link I edited it and it should work now :)
I get 83,5 kbyte/s for a 512k file. That's 668 kbits/s, a 100 kbits below advertised speed but that also because the file is small, normally speed will increase during download. Not unsatisfactory imo.
Shabbaman
22-05-2003, 11:12
Got a lousy phone line at home, here at the university I've got a T3 to toy with...
Shabbaman
22-05-2003, 11:12
Or a T1, whatever. ICT manages to crash it every monday morning though.
Would be an E1 Shabba....or an E3....
Me works in Telecoms :)
quote:I get 83,5 kbyte/s for a 512k file
Indeed it's pretty decent PP, no grounds to worry.
Talking around and looking at this site, teh best "Bytes for your bucks" atm in Holland is SPEEDLINQ using babyxl's network. For a meager 50 euros, you can get a 2M dowload 1M upload.
Check out your contract to know when you can "opzeggen" :)
Shabbaman
23-05-2003, 08:27
quote:Originally posted by Skyfish
Would be an E1 Shabba....or an E3....
Me works in Telecoms :)
Really? I'm definately finding references to T3/T1 a lot. I believe that the T3 connection is the backbone of the UUnet, that connects the dutch universities.
digger760
23-05-2003, 09:08
here now i have a the book "Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tanenbaum it is supposed to be the bible of telecomunications.
Here is what is says:
"One method that is in widespread use in North America and Japan is the T1 carrier ...."
"The T1 carrier consists of 24 voice channels multiplexed together...blah blah blah lots of technical bullshit.." it sounds like each channel carries 1.344 but something called signalling complicates it and makes it 1.544Mbps ???
In another system (by some body called CCITT) is a PCM carrier called E1 and carries 2.048Mbps.
T1 lines are multiplxed to T2(6.312Mbps)which are multiplxed to T3 lines (44.736Mbps) which are multiplexed into T4 (274.176Mbps)
And conversly
E1 to E2(8.848Mbps) to E3 (34.304Mbps) to E4 (139.264Mbps) and E5 (565.148Mbps)
Switches on the Fibre Optic lines convert between the 2 systems (SDH/SONET conversion)
The T system is American and E system European
Anyway Shabba has one fucker of a connection speed
Pillager
23-05-2003, 09:52
512 download, 256 upload ADSL here.
I was paying £13.99 pcm for a rubbish dial-up, and I now pay £23 pcm for broadband. A pretty good deal, considering I got all the kit for free, and there was no signing up or installation fee.
I get about 60-70 kbps download usually.
Thanks Digger indeed E1/E3 are European standard and T1/T3 standard, that's why I "corrected" Shabba.
HOWEVER to be fair to him since his University is using a Fiber Optic connection and not copper cable, the SDH signal which is probably an STM1 (155Mbps) is "broken" into T3s because Cisco routers (being American machines) can handle it better than E3s (to stay simple, if someone wants mroe details please say).
So, mea culpa, Shabba you probably have a T3 connection.
I would be extremely surprised they are then breaking it furhter into T1s : what happens is the link from the SDH ring of UUnet to the Univ is T3, it comes into a Cisco 7206VXR and gets broadcasted on the Univ LAN as FastEthernet (100Mbs).
Sorry Shabba for the wrong input...
Shabbaman
23-05-2003, 10:17
quote:Originally posted by digger760
Anyway Shabba has one fucker of a connection speed
Unfortunately, I can't put it to good use. There's no cd-r in this machine. And if I run Kazaa or some other spyware infested crap program, the ICT gestapo rushes over here immediately.
Well, it's not a real problem, since I'm supposed to do some WORK here.
I'm thinking to buy a USB stick thingey, I've been told those things are quite useful. They can hold something like 64 mb or even more, must be enough for a lot of research data (read: pbem savegames)
And digger, if this might comfort you, crappy dial up for me at home as well...
btw, digger&skyfish, thanks for the 'nerdtalk' ;)
Hi Pillager, welcome to the soon-to-be-named PBEM forum. :D
quote:Originally posted by Skyfish
Thanks Digger indeed E1/E3 are European standard and T1/T3 standard, that's why I "corrected" Shabba.
HOWEVER to be fair to him since his University is using a Fiber Optic connection and not copper cable, the SDH signal which is probably an STM1 (155Mbps) is "broken" into T3s because Cisco routers (being American machines) can handle it better than E3s (to stay simple, if someone wants mroe details please say).
So, mea culpa, Shabba you probably have a T3 connection.
I would be extremely surprised they are then breaking it furhter into T1s : what happens is the link from the SDH ring of UUnet to the Univ is T3, it comes into a Cisco 7206VXR and gets broadcasted on the Univ LAN as FastEthernet (100Mbs).
Sorry Shabba for the wrong input...
Boy, this takes me back to my old KPN Network Operator days when building SDH transmission was my job :) Back when telecom was booming and you could get rich by launching a business plan with 'internet' in the title [lol]
Those were the days PP, those were the days. One can still get rich in Telecoms though, just need a more original idea than the 'startup' bullshit :)
Shabba I do recommend the USB stick, 128MB is better though, these things are not upgradeable so it's better to buy the biggest one in one go instead of having to buy a 64MB followed by a 128MB (or even a 64mb) 4 months later 'cause you "toevallig" need it for a bigger file...
Shabbaman
23-05-2003, 21:35
OK
figured that out myself as well. The USB port is convienently located at the back of the computer btw.
Shabbaman
11-06-2003, 12:36
quote:Originally posted by Skyfish
Shabba I do recommend the USB stick, 128MB is better though, these things are not upgradeable so it's better to buy the biggest one in one go instead of having to buy a 64MB followed by a 128MB (or even a 64mb) 4 months later 'cause you "toevallig" need it for a bigger file...
http://www.norrod.nl/ws_a_index.asp?hoofdgroep_id=5&sel=213
a 128 mb gadget for only 35 euro's, and a 256 thingey for 'only' 60 schmeuro's... that's even affordable.
But what's the difference between USB 1.1 and 2.0? I figure that since my computer is almost ancient I'd have to take 1.1 anyway.
digger760
11-06-2003, 12:49
USB 2.0 is 480 Mbits/sec, 40 times faster than USB 1.1.
digger760
11-06-2003, 12:52
if you plug a USB 2.0 device into a USB 1.1 port on the PC and it will run at 1.1 speed.
i am getting all this info from:
http://www.intel.com/technology/usb/faq.htm#Q1
Shabbaman
11-06-2003, 13:00
OK, thanks!
Buy the 2.0 cause u never know what computer you'll have next.
It sucks to have a 1.1 aux when you have a computer that can take 2.0.
cable, and i'm absolutely content with it.
Taurendil
12-06-2003, 01:26
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/taurendil/20036121241_speedtest.jpg
45.6KB
I'm not actually located in the netherlands though, so add a bit to these numbers :D
digger760
12-06-2003, 09:52
i tried to play my brother online last night...he kept crashing out when i hosted and when he hosted i did'nt see the game appear in the staging area....although after about 5 mins "no-name" poped up with a ping of 2500...don't know if that was him...PII 500 with cable vs XP1700 with dial up. now there a mix up of technology. I wonder if he'll do PBEM???
Pastorius
26-08-2003, 13:03
adsl - 700 down - 128 up (I think), hiding behind a BIG SCARY firewall ;)
Cable modem 1mb down /512k up.
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