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After finaly getting my team in the weekend I experimented a bit, including buying a couple of players. I know it's never clever to do this before you actually understand what you were doing but it was so much fun...
So here's my team at the moment. I lost my first game with them:
Aram Wortelboer
TSI = 420 , 27 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Unpredictable]
Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: disastrous
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid
Brian Decheiver
TSI = 260 , 22 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities [Technical]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: solid
Carlos María Marmol
TSI = 490 , 32 years, weak form
Has inadequate experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: wretched
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set pieces: inadequate
Eugène Zilver
TSI = 510 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: weak
Jan Wouter Held
TSI = 690 , 24 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities
Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set pieces: inadequate
Joakim Grootveld
TSI = 720 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: disastrous
Lance van der Westen
TSI = 530 , 20 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set pieces: weak
Leon Luca Ruks
TSI = 810 , 27 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: solid Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: passable
Lionel van Dongen
TSI = 1 560 , 24 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: wretched
Maksimilijan Stevovi#263;
TSI = 840 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: solid Set pieces: inadequate
Mannus van Kan
TSI = 110 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Unpredictable]
Stamina: weak Keeper: poor
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: passable
Mathijs Vonken
TSI = 1 340 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: passable Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set pieces: solid
Matthew Hagedoorn
TSI = 90 , 26 years, wretched form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set pieces: solid
Oliverio Peralta
TSI = 560 , 27 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set pieces: weak
Orlando Mengano
TSI = 600 , 25 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]
Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: wretched Defending: inadequate
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: solid
Rik Clephas
TSI = 160 , 23 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: solid
Selwyn Reijerkerk
TSI = 0 , 37 years, passable form
Has passable experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: weak
Sjaak de Visser
TSI = 520 , 24 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set pieces: disastrous
Sjors van Geenhuizen
TSI = 1 310 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: solid
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: disastrous
Tomás Cendra
TSI = 740 , 26 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set pieces: poor
Darth Pugwash
15-05-2006, 15:45
I'd reccomend having a good look around here, there are afew threads made by new starters like this, with lots of good tips in them. :)
BCLG and Tubby Rower's threads are both still on the front page, full of good advice.
A couple of linkys too:
http://wiki.hattrick.org/Main_Page (alot of this is covered on the site but is still good)
http://www.hottrick.org/node/4 - the platypus guide useful read for a beginer.
socralynnek
15-05-2006, 16:13
The only player I see in your team that could be trained seems to be your 19yo solid striker, so maybe training scoring is an option.
Or do you have a different training option in mind (you should start with 17yo or 18yo in your training position, starting training players older than 20 is worthless)
Actually I think you have a pretty strong starting squad
Decide on a training program and until then maybe do a bit of stamina training.
what is with all of the solid set pieces?
Shabbaman
15-05-2006, 16:25
That was what I was thinking as well...
The most safe thing right now is probably training goalkeepers.
Kingreno
15-05-2006, 16:29
do include at least several weeks of SP training! Amazingly strong starting squad.
Darth Pugwash
15-05-2006, 16:34
Indeed it is a great starting squad
For a training regime I would also reccomend goalies to start with...easy to manage and they gain skills very quickley.
A couple weeks of stamina training would be useful too.
dont forget to get HO! its very helpfull when working out training next match etc :D
join the CDZ cup as well, im not v good so you'll have at least one win and dont worry about buying players, i bought soooooooooo many that ive completly re-done my team :D
Melifluous
15-05-2006, 18:14
www.hattrickorganizer.de is the place to get Hattrick Organiser strangely enough, normally abbreviated to HO :)
[meli]
Tubby Rower
15-05-2006, 18:48
if you plan on training GK. I would sell Lionel van Dongen but buy two 18 yo passables (cost ~35k each). also get a solid coach.
Finish the license process ASAP as it gives you ~$250k from finishing all of them. Also grab a couple of specialists after you finish (9 GK coaches, 1 assist coach, 2 Press guys) if you are not training GK's get 9 assist coaches and 1 GK coach
Thank you very much for the pointers. First thing I will do is download HO. Selling Lionel van Dongen. Why would that be a good idea?
Tubby Rower
15-05-2006, 20:19
If you are training Goal Keepers then a 24 yo won't train quick. you should be at the oldest 18 yo when you are starting out. Otherwise they are too expensive. At the end of last season, I got 2 17yo passable keepers for ~35k each. they were 18 before either got training. Both should be ~ formidable at the end of the season and I'll sell one and get a young 17 yo so that I can get a good cycle going.
All of this is useless info if you are training something other than GKs.
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
Thank you very much for the pointers. First thing I will do is download HO. Selling Lionel van Dongen. Why would that be a good idea?
He is too old to be trained so it would be better to replace him with a younger player if you were going to train goalkeeping.
or train scoring like me and a few others, however it affects your tactics, forcing you to play a 4-3-3 or i believe dell plays 3-4-3. Not sure about everyone else.
Shabba plays 3-4-3.
The vast majority of scoring trainers play 3-4-3 most of the time.
Shabbaman
15-05-2006, 23:37
The only scoring trainers I know that play 4-3-3 used to train either goalkeeping or defending. If you play 4-3-3, you can only try to achieve success through playing counter.
BTW, I can only discourage you to train forwards. Trainees are overpriced, while the sellers market is stressed. Not. Good. Goalkeeping is safe, wingers is for the adventurous.
it would probably be better for me to play 3-4-3 but i only have about 4 decent midfielders, so wouldnt have any replacements. Unless i move a wing back up, hmmm might try that.
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
if you plan on training GK. I would sell Lionel van Dongen but buy two 18 yo passables (cost ~35k each). also get a solid coach.
I'm I correct in saying that a solid coach costs about 2.5 million? Also I haven't found 35k passable 18yo keepers yet...
Shabbaman
16-05-2006, 08:38
A solid coach with solid leadership would cost 2.5M, but a solid coach with poor leadership only costs 80k.
I did a search on 18 y.o. passable GK, and according to transfer compare the average price is now 95k. So you need a little luck to pick them up cheap. You're not in much of a hurry, so that's good. I hope you figured out how to filter for the right players on the transfer list...
BTW, you need this (http://www.hottrick.org/hattrick_keeper_tool.php) to assess how much training a goalkeeper needs to reach the next level. This is important now that you're buying, because a player that's closer to solid is worth a lot more than a player that's close to passable.
Also, if you're using firefox (which everybody should!), then I suggest this plugin (http://foxtrick.px.cz/).
Kingreno
16-05-2006, 08:52
Solid coach with poor LS is NOT 80K, it is 260k or so.
I just got this passable 18 yo GK for 37K. I tried to get a few other ones yesterday but they all sold for at least 45K.
Nenad Grahovac
TSI = 1 840 , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: wretched
Thanks Shabba for your Firefox plugin and your GK tool!
Where would I find info on what training benefits for which needs (edit: found it in the guide attached by you guys!)? As a newbie it sounds strange to train GK using 9 GK coaches and 1 assistant coach...
And who should I fire or sell?
Shabbaman
16-05-2006, 10:49
quote:Originally posted by Kingreno
Solid coach with poor LS is NOT 80K, it is 260k or so.
Sorry 'bout that, apparently I'm shortsighted. Solid coach is 279k, passable coach 80k. I even looked it up at hattrix-files... [blush]
Tubby Rower
16-05-2006, 19:46
Aggie, get a solid coach. it drops training each level by at least a week. also, I'd get 9-1 (or 8-2) GK-Assistant coaches. Some morons are telling me in the conferences that from 5 to 9 coaces only drop a week to get to divine and they are morons or HO is incorrect. by me droppping down to 5 GK coaches it adds a week to training for each level. over 2 seasons thats 5-6 weeks saved!! and they won't be near divine.
so going back to the first sentence... get a solid skilled coach with the weakest leadership for now. It'll likely put you into debt but thats ok for a season to get you going. right now I'm ~130k in debt. when I sell an excellent keeper in 6 weeks I'll be out of debt and have another keeper that'll be tops in my league :D find me on MSN if you want to chat
There has been changes in hattrick though tubby since the latest version of HO! came out so it may be worth checking it out whether or not it has such an effect.
@Tubby (or anyone else): how exactly do you get HO to tell you that info? I never managed to figure out its training tool myself..
edit: nm, forgot to set the future training to the correct training type.
Tubby Rower
17-05-2006, 04:24
@ Kemal, look on the "Training Experience" tab. there is a sub-tab on there that says "Prediction". on the left you can set your training for the next 16 weeks. On the upper left, it'll tell you when the different players will pop. With Keepers you can set the player's sub-level by going to Utility.. Keeper tool. (I typed all of this before I read your edit... I'm not going back and deleting all of it :) )
@ Aggie, I found some 17 yo inadequates that were within 2 hours of the deadline and ~ 21-25k. At this time of the season, that's a good deal as long as you have a decent second keeper to play in your league matches
quote:[i]@ Aggie, I found some 17 yo inadequates that were within 2 hours of the deadline and ~ 21-25k. At this time of the season, that's a good deal as long as you have a decent second keeper to play in your league matches
I did notice that the prices skyrocket in the last few minutes of the bidding, so I would expect that those 17 yo's would sell for far more than that. But I did manage to get a 2nd passable 18 yo for 35K:
Isaac Valentine
TSI = 2 050 , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: inadequate
Spending 250K on a solid skilled coach with the weakest leadership? That would indeed mean that I would be very much in depth...
might be in debt as well ;)
Yes to actually buy a player you normally have to be around at the final seconds of bidding to place a bid...
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
quote:[i]@ Aggie, I found some 17 yo inadequates that were within 2 hours of the deadline and ~ 21-25k. At this time of the season, that's a good deal as long as you have a decent second keeper to play in your league matches
I did notice that the prices skyrocket in the last few minutes of the bidding, so I would expect that those 17 yo's would sell for far more than that. But I did manage to get a 2nd passable 18 yo for 35K:
Isaac Valentine
TSI = 2 050 , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: inadequate
Spending 250K on a solid skilled coach with the weakest leadership? That would indeed mean that I would be very much in depth...
I would advise against the solid coach for starting teams in th netherlands, because in lower leagues you make less money. (gain less supporters (and smaller crowds) and sponsorincome
Shabbaman
18-05-2006, 08:03
Arne has a good point there.
OK, I decided to go for GK training and have 9 GK assistants assigned, together with 1 field assistant. I increased training level to 100% and I put Lionel van Dongen on the transfer market.
Am I right that I should let both GK's play once per week? So 1 doing the league games and 1 for the friendlies?
Oh... what I also have is this coach (ever from the start)...
Selwyn Reijerkerk
TSI = 0 , 37 years, passable form
Has passable experience and weak leadership abilities
I have this newly bought fellow as the best suited guy to take over in 16 weeks:
Miguel Ludlow (20453171)
33 years, inadequate form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has passable experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
What would be best now? I am 30K in debt but still have Lionel van Dongen to sell and am waiting for the acceptance of license challenge 15...
Shabbaman
18-05-2006, 09:24
Is that guy a passable or inadequate coach?
Shabbaman
18-05-2006, 09:47
Ooooh, what a beauty! That's a huge difference. Look at it this way, if you'd want to train them 4 levels, 1 level in coaching skill is about a full level difference. That's about 500k per trainee. So you definately need a new coach, but I doubt if you'd recover the debt you'll get yourself into if you get a solid coach. Following Arne here, I'd say get yourself a passable coach.
But you have until tonight to decide, let's wait what others have to say.
Thanks Shabba. And yes, I'm very interested in opinions of others as well.
At this moment I'm thinking about buying a passable coach (poor leadership) for 79.6 K. Arne mentions that lower leagues in NL make less money. Would I be risking bankrupty with the 'GK gambit with solid coach' (268.7K)? Or are there other risks that I may not think of?
I just finished the challenges and have 40K, hoping to add a bit to that with the sale of Van Dongen...
Yes, get the passable/poor now, and I would not advise promoting your own players to become coach until you really start needing their leadership abilities, which I think will be the case when you reach the Dutch 7th division and your own midfield ratings are weak at least. Still some time ago before you fulfill both these conditions I suppose...
Of course you can promote own players to coach before that but the costs are huge for starting teams, promoting a solid exp player to solid coach costs about 750K iirc as compared to the 270K for externally recruiting a solid/poor LS coach.
That future coach player could prove his usefulness (much) later though for your team, just let him stick around and play matches to up his exp some more, but do not promote him to become your coach anytime soon, is what I'd say about it.
Shabbaman
18-05-2006, 10:11
Simply put, you can't get a solid coach, because you can't hattrick to loan you more than 200k. So if you sell that guy you might be able to buy him, but considering that you won't be selling players until the end of the next season you'd have to pay a lot of interest.
socralynnek
18-05-2006, 11:19
Do you have your license completed? If not, you get some money there, so then you should take the passable coach for 79K.
A weak coach is exactly that: weak, you'll have the investment returned by faster training times within a season or even less.
Well I managed to sell Van Dongen for 26K, which seems to be a reasonable price for him. And I bought that passable coach for 79K. As a result I will be 28K in depth ...
Kingreno
19-05-2006, 15:22
In depth? [lol]
Do not worry about going a little into debt, just keep it managable, soon your economy will grow!
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
Well I managed to sell Van Dongen for 26K, which seems to be a reasonable price for him. And I bought that passable coach for 79K. As a result I will be 28K in depth ...
do not worry, but do not spend too much on specialists, since you won't make a lot money any time soon. It took me some time to break even even with only 7 specialist (4 Assistan C,1 goaltending coach and 2 spokespersons) And I did win most matches which boosted my income. Although I had to start in XI and income there was probably lower than for you. (I am assuming you started in X).
How is your econmy doing?
I am in division IX.1758 .
My economy is as follows atm:
Cash funds: -27 993 € (-68 804) €
Sponsors: content
Supporters Club: 110 members
Supporters: content
This week
Revenue
Crowd 0
Sponsors 20 008
Financial 0
Temporary 7 430
Total revenue 27 437
Expenses
Arena 7 100
Wages 21 748
Interest 1 400
Temporary 0
Staff 18 000
Youth squad 20 000
Total expenses 68 248
Expected income/loss -40 811
socralynnek
22-05-2006, 10:17
I think you don't have 20K to invest in the Youth Squad now, either go for 10K or maybe even better stop investing altogether.
Maybe after you sold your first good player, you can start investing again.
After reading the platypus guide I see two players which I should sell (according to that guide). These multi-talents would better be replaced by specialists, who are a lot cheaper. Is this indeed a good idea? FYI: I already bought a couple of excellent stamina/passable playmaking midfielders (for 1000 euro each), also after reading platypus...
Sjors van Geenhuizen (115232482)
24 years, inadequate form, healthy
A nasty fellow who is fiery and honest.
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 380
Wage: 900 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: wretched Goalkeeping: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: solid
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous
Mathijs Vonken (115232485)
25 years, weak form, healthy
A popular guy who is balanced and upright.
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities.
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 540
Wage: 780 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: poor Goalkeeping: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: passable Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: solid
Tubby Rower
22-05-2006, 13:08
hmmmm... Sjors could be a great defensive midfielder. or an offensive defender. But I see your point of getting specialists.
What about Matthijs then?
socralynnek
22-05-2006, 13:26
Yes, sell the second one, he 'll bring you some money...
I guess you have enough players with set pieces...
Tubby Rower
22-05-2006, 13:27
(keep in mind that I don't know everything and most likely know nothing)
I would agree with the Platypus guide. If you have another solid set pieces guy then yes sell him. He would probably also be good for counter-attacks if you play that strategy. Something that Mistfit showed me once is that when a player has multiple skills such as Matthijs his TSI will be inflated for no noticable benefit. Have you ever heard of the expression "Jack of all trades and master of none" (basically can do anything mediocre but excels at nothing)? I think that applies to him. What is his Transfer Compare? I wouldn't even know what to sell him as. He would be a good wing-back with CA strategy. So someone might be willing to buy him.
socralynnek
22-05-2006, 13:58
And by having those skills, his wage is higher than the wage of a guy who is equally good in the same position.
Transfer Compare shows me similar players from 22K to 60K.
Tubby Rower
22-05-2006, 14:29
sell him. get the money and use it towards a replacement and better trainees (if you still need some)
He does excel in the FTW slot though, and there aren't that many easy replacements for such players. If you get say 50K for him, what will you do with that money then? You can perhaps buy a solid scorer with a little passing, but I doubt he will be of much more use than Mathijs Vonken while he most certainly will be less flexible.
Just my dissenting opinion, of course.
Tubby Rower
22-05-2006, 14:59
I repeat..... [lol]
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
(keep in mind that I don't know everything and most likely know nothing)
To be honest, I think your remark on the Jack of trades/master of none is a very legitimite one, it is merely the fact that I believe that flexibility in a player is a valuable asset. That said, single-skilled behemoths are usually the preferred method of most hattrick teams, and usually a lot cheaper to obtain on the transfer market.
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
I think you don't have 20K to invest in the Youth Squad now, either go for 10K or maybe even better stop investing altogether.
Maybe after you sold your first good player, you can start investing again.
And again I agree fully with socralynek. 12 staffmembers seems like a bit much too. Remember that every extra of assistant is less effective.
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
To be honest, I think your remark on the Jack of trades/master of none is a very legitimite one, it is merely the fact that I believe that flexibility in a player is a valuable asset. That said, single-skilled behemoths are usually the preferred method of most hattrick teams, and usually a lot cheaper to obtain on the transfer market.
flexible players give you the possibillity to surprise teh opponent. Forwards that can play to wing keep your opponent guessing where you will attack.
I put Mathijs Vonken on the transfer market and the highest bid at this moment is 78K, with one day to go.
But what should I do with Sjors van Geenhuizen? He's my strongest midfielder, strongest defender and he has nice secondary skills. But his stamina is wretched. The rest of the midfielders have solid to excellent stamina and are at least passable playmakers. So training stamina doesn't sound appealing to me. But what then?
Tubby Rower
24-05-2006, 12:46
hmm.. I would lean to keeping Sjors. I had two nice players at the beginning to that are the core of my team still. They've help to keep me afloat in the win column.
Buuuut........Training stamina is the only way that I know of to increase his stamina. And it's not garaunteed that he'll pop. At Wretched you'll have to pop him 3 times just to get him to inadequate (below this the tired event is possible for defenders and midfielders).
I think that it's a toss up. If you sell him, I'd get a good player to replace him before you sell him though so that you are not desparate to get a new player and end up paying too much.
I want to keep Sjors as well. But what would be his best position at the moment? I have read that midfielders should be strong in stamina and I have enough players for these positions...
Tubby Rower
24-05-2006, 13:32
You will need a good defense. Chances will happen for your opponent. So you need good defenders. I haven't won many of the midfield battles and I have been winning the matches. I'm not sure yet why I am, but I attribute it to 2 things... 1) I analyze each opponent using this website (http://mikehell.kicks-ass.net/ht-dog/index.jsp) - it shows you where to attack and defend. Just remember that the left attack will match up to your right defense. and 2) my defense is reasonably high. It's not the highest in my league, but it is up there I think.
If you want to keep him, his best position is defender. But if you sell him, you could probably get enought money to get a solid defender, and some change.
18 year old keeper Isaac Valentine will turn excellent next Friday. Would it be good to sell him or should I wait until he turns formidable next year (as a 19 y.o.).
Lt. Killer M
13-07-2006, 10:13
he aggie, you're still around? Great!
I am clueless as far as the gam eis concerned, but 19 y.o. is in my experience not necessarily better than 18 y.o. [:p]
Shabbaman
13-07-2006, 10:20
Aggie, take a look at this chart (http://www.databased.at/hattrick/x-files/pages/s_TPE_all.asp?chosen=4). The thing that's important in this chart is the column with "average value of training". Because you earn much, much more when you train an excellent to formidable than a solid to excellent I'd say that it's better to train him some more. Perhaps, depending on your financial situation, even to outstanding.
BTW, if you want to base your training program on such a chart you have to recalculate the thing to earnings a week, because you have to pay wages as well. And better players tend to be older, so you have to train them longer.
quote:Originally posted by Lt. Killer M
he aggie, you're still around? Great!
I am clueless as far as the gam eis concerned, but 19 y.o. is in my experience not necessarily better than 18 y.o. [:p]
Yes Killer, still around but only playing Hattrick and Cycling Champion now.
Shabba, thanks for that great link and the info!
Tubby Rower
13-07-2006, 12:15
I would also suggest that you train them for most of the season. That way you will get the benefit of a low salary for better keeper while he's training. I was thinking of selling my excellent a couple of weeks ago, but someone suggested me training him all next season too. With gate receipts picking up with fan club size, I think that I might even be out of debt by the time I sell him.
edit::: also that link that [shabba] provided is a bit dated. I think that formidables go for around 700-800k now. So don't spend that money before you actually get bids.
Shabbaman
13-07-2006, 12:28
Dated, dated... it's contiuously refreshed, but the sample average is over a month or something.
Tubby Rower
13-07-2006, 12:39
hmm.. maybe I caught an off week or 2. sorry..
I assume that prices drop due to the fact that we near the end of the season.
What I have learned from this first season is that I probably shouldn't have too high ambitions for next season as well, despite the fact that it's only league IX. I should start with a very basic and cheap team next season and try to improve when spectator income, training gains and maybe even youthpull events help me out. It's a bit frustrating, but anything is better than ending up in bancrupty :)
As of next week I will start investing time in that basic team of next season and also aiming to have be out of the red (right now I'm at -100K). A.o. firing the sellable guys and replacing them with players that will better balance the team and allow me to train stamina in the interseason. I have nothing to lose anyway, because even 4th place is out of sight, meaning that there's nothing to fight for (not even one euro).
I decided to sell Isaac Valentine… After creating a financial planning for the next ten weeks. That planning (with a minimum of players and coaches) showed me that I would be bankrupt within no-time, if I wouldn't sell my excellent goalkeeper. So I HAD to make that terrible decision. I got 305.000 Euro for him. It could even have been worse, looking at transfer compare (265.000 for an excellent 18 yo keeper).
Now things are looking up and I am financially fine for a long time. I have gained more insight in the game and things are OK for next season. Sunday I will play the nr 3 of the league and (probably) my biggest competition for next season. Only thing not in my control is what teams are going to promote and how strong they are.
Shabbaman
26-07-2006, 09:51
So how much money do you have now? Once again, I can offer a keeper... He will play before the deadline passes on 1800 CET, and he's halfway to excellent goalkeeping. I'm not saying this to sell my keeper (although I know it may sound like it), but because it's an easy way to earn a lot of money.
You could try that with other goalkeepers as well, obviously: search for (for example) solid goalkeepers and a minimum TSI of 3800, and you get all goalkeepers that are halfway to excellent. You could do the same with passable or solid obviously. Sometimes you have to correct for form. It doesn't work for old players, but you don't want to train those anyway.
The idea is then to sell them after they've popped. This saves you a lot of training time.
Anyway, if you're interested, his ID is 123645124.
Luckily I made my financial planning in time, so I could sell Valentine when he popped to excellent. Thanks for the pointers on how to best obtain a GK. I made this mistake of buying fresh passables in the first week of my HT-carreer and now know that this was not the wisest move. I do have the money now to buy this guy and I may just bid on him :)
PS. Are these all youth-pulls? Is pulling GK's that benificial? Also with a YS that just turned to solid?
Shabbaman
26-07-2006, 11:41
Well, this season I've pulled only gk's, except in the first week (because goalkeepers don't sell for a lot, but in the first week a good field player could net you over a million). I could sell most of my pulls, which is very, very good. This seaon I made a huge profit on my youth squad, without proper quantitative backing I'd say it's more than 4 times the investment.
But don't tell this to anyone, or the prices of goalkeepers might drop ;)
I think with a solid YS you could start pulling youth players. Until previous season, the best selling youth player was pulled when my YS was solid. Indeed, nothing but crap for over a year and a half... Pulling youth players is pretty random, but especially when you're training gk's I'd suggest pulling gk's!
Due to the fact that I would not be able to connect to Hattrick around the time that player 123645124 would be on the deadline, I decided to take no risks and buy another solid 18 yo for 122.000 euro:
Jort Kamperman (123601427)
18 years, passable form
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 4130
Wage: 3 000 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: 3 weeks
Stamina: wretched Goalkeeping: solid
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: inadequate
He immediately was made GK for the CDZ match vs PP SV.
And then he got injured for 3 weeks :( and besides that also his 17 yo replacement (+4)
I have a bit of money left. And I have a few other options, like training other things than GK in the interseason... What would be a good idea? An injury tool tells me that 3 doctors require at least 9 days for my solid GK...
socralynnek
27-07-2006, 10:30
maybe you should train something else for two trainings, as your keeper might be ready to train next week but won't have played until then (maybe you can calculate if 10 doctors are worth it, but I doubt it)
options:
-Stamina, but I guess your MF won't need it
-Set Pieces, only really helps your set pieces taker
-Passing, helps all a little
-other A-skill, only makes sense if you have young players somewhere
10 doctors would do 6.9 updates...
Shabbaman
27-07-2006, 10:56
That's only a week. You only need to get him "bruised, but playing" btw. That should be able with less doctors.
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
That's only a week. You only need to get him "bruised, but playing" btw. That should be able with less doctors.
9 doctors give 7.05, 10 doctors give 6.91 to "bruised, but playing". Could I actually make it in time for next Wednesday or is this impossible? If so than I guess I'd better hire no doctor at all (11,58 updates).
socralynnek
27-07-2006, 11:16
there are probably only 6 updates til wednesday's match in NL as there probably was one already this morning.
I forgot one option in training: General. It only helps your ofrm especially current form, not background form, so it's almost worthless, so no real need to think about it.
You are right that if he can't play on Wednesday, the next chance for him to play is one Wednesday later, so enough time to heal.(only if you train set pieces he might pop on next week's training without having played, if he can train, which should also be possible without doctors)
I see that two bots will promote to my league and one team with no owner will relegate to it (what's the difference anyway between a Bot and a team without an owner?). The other relegation team only had 12 players lined-up during the season... Combined with the fact that yet another team in the league is ownerless as well I would make a mess of things if I didn't end in the top 3.
Shabbaman
31-07-2006, 10:42
Team without owner=walkover, bot=random players in lineup. But that ownerless team will become a bot at the start of the season, I think. Sounds like a fun league you're in next season.
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
Team without owner=walkover, bot=random players in lineup. But that ownerless team will become a bot at the start of the season, I think. Sounds like a fun league you're in next season.
Ownerless team plays with its standard line up, whatever that may be.
My 19 yo GK will most probably turn formidable next Friday. I want to sell him, because I think it's a risk to train one more level and then sell just before the end of season. Also, I probably can't make a lot more getting from excellent to formidable than from formidable to outstanding anyway (in both cases you gain around 400K from one level to another).
So I expect a nice sum of money at the end of this week and I wonder where to spend it on. I'm thinking about:
1. Getting an solid or excellent GK back, midway or further to the next level (17 or 18 yo). This is a must, I have to continue training.
I see the following choices of investments with the rest of the cash:
2a. Increasing my stadium. I have 500 members at the end of this week and I sold out for the first time just last Sunday. I leaning towards waiting with this though, because I expect no further full stadiums for some time.
2b. Replacing my coach. Mine is passable/poor now and I wonder if it is wise to switch.
2c. Increasing the strength of my team. This is not needed at the moment. I'm leading with 5 points in my league, cruising along.
2d. Another option?
I will be at -130.000 euro at the end of the week (without selling the keeper) and I am not afraid to end into the red after my transactions, as long as these are wise choices in the long run.
Now what should I do?
Tubby Rower
02-10-2006, 13:45
Replace your coach.. The return on investment in the stadium isn't that high. I have 805 supporters and I didn't start needing extra seats until ~ 750. (I still haven't upgraded my stadium). Without seeing your current squad, I would still put this at a second priority to getting a solid training coach. The solid training helps not only in the training part, but also the form of your team.
Also if you are looking for an excellent GK trainee, you'll be spending the majority of your money on replacing him. It might now be bad to train for another pop to outstanding. That way you'll pay less agent fees and you can upgrade your team along with your coach to get ready for the cup next season.
I sold my formidable keeper for a lowly 650000 euro. Still enough to buy a solid/poor trainer and a new trainee. I got this one for 306.000 euro...: quote:Aleksander Dyktyñski (112900230)
19 years, solid form, healthy
A nasty fellow who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Nationality: Deutschland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 7 480
Wage: 4 680 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: disastrous Goalkeeping: excellent
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched
He's at 8.635991102191 to 8.8339301746311 and will play tonight. He might be formi on Friday already :)
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
It might now be bad to train for another pop to outstanding. That way you'll pay less agent fees and you can upgrade your team along with your coach to get ready for the cup next season.
Sadly I won't be in the cup next season. I have to be in league VIII to achieve that, it appears. So I will have yet another season before that will happen.
Shabbaman
11-10-2006, 10:41
Obviously he meant the CDZ cup ;)
At October 19th I bought Marco Vidal (136106984). This was a solid 17 y.o. GK who needed 2 games to pop. I spent 397.000 euro and after the bidding war I wondered how stupid I could be paying so much for a 17 y.o. at the end of the season, knowing how low the prices are for formi 18 y.o.'s (750.000 euro is a good price these days).
So I decided to train the guy for two weeks and sell him as excellent. I don't know what happened, but he sold for... 906.000 euro (I received 773.000 euro)!! Looking at transfer compare I see now who lucky I was with that bidding war of newbies. 599.000 euro is the 2nd highest price and the average is 550.000 euro.
I now have a bit of money to invest into my squad and prepare for a bigger stadium.
If I would want to switch to another training type, which one would be most profitable? I would be able to start with about 1 to 1,5 million euro...
Tubby Rower
16-03-2007, 11:46
I'm getting ready to post my spreadsheet for wing attacks in my team's thread. basically it takes around 7 weeks for a 17 yo to pop. you do get to train 10 people though. I'm not sure how profitable it is. I would figure out where you currently don't need a really strong presence and then train that. for instance if your league could permit you to have a weaker than normal defense, then train that as you defense would become a powerhouse in the league eventually.
socralynnek
16-03-2007, 13:00
I agree with Tubby.
I wouldn't deny the impact that training can have on your league performance.
The part you are training gets stronger over time but at some point you have to sell a player and have a weaker performance there (kind of hard sometimes when one trains PM like I do, it did cost me a few places in the league this season and thus it did cost me some money)
So, you could either start a part where you are weak anyway and/or have older players that soon would need improvement anyway.
Or you could train something like wing-attacks where your players train a little slower, but where you have a little more tactical options.
At least, I can say, don't train passing or set pieces. The players you would need for that are far too expensive.
Or you could do something like Scoring with the occasional week of passing.
sz_matyas
16-03-2007, 14:37
If it's just profit, I would definitely go with defense. You can train 10 at a time and prices are much higher than for scoring and midfield. The downside is it severely limits your flexibility. On the other hand if you play 4-5-1 and 5-4-1 in league and friendlies you only lose one spot and can still turn a massive profit.
I have a solid/wretched coach, fond of attacking. Before the end of next season a supernatural experience/inadequate leader player is planned to take over.
The strongest part of my team is midfield, followed by attack. Wings and defense are due for imrpovement.
I could sell my midfield (6 excellent to formidable players). Combined with income of two keeper trainees I would then be able to buy for about 2 million euro, including a new keeper.
Would any of this influence my choice for the new training type?
sz_matyas
18-03-2007, 05:00
As far as choosing a new training type here are my thoughts:
1) The biggest factor is what style of game you're going to play, i.e. don't go defense to play a 3-5-2.
2) The area you train should be one where you are planning on getting new players, whether through needing to upgrade or as you have a number of older players, just having to buy younger replacements.
3) As you have decent younger midfielders, I would suggest against training that is it is always turbulent to sell everybody and buy trainees, that said you may only need four (3 plus a backup for form/injuries/cards)
4) Since you have plenty of cash, I would choose a position where there is a prominent secondary skill. By having a little extra to invest initially in the subskill you can make money in the long run: ex. I paid an extra $100K for a midfield trainee with passable passing at the solid level. At higher levels that might add $200-$300K to his value. Thoughts here would be midfield (passing), winger(playmaking,passing) or forward (passing) or if you wanted to do defense maybe train ones with high winger to be wingbacks.
Hope this helps
Thanks! At this moment I'm leaning towards winger training.
My preferred formation is 3-5-2, so this would rule out defense and attack.
My thoughts regarding selling my midfield would be that I probably will get the biggest part of the money invested in these players back. Then I could buy a couple of stronger PM trainees for my a-squad and a few younger ones with potential for the b-squad. That way I would have another stronger set of players taking over in the a-squad when I am selling the a-squad guys. And I could then buy new young potential for the b-squad. I would be able to keep repeating this. How about that?
Ynnek suggested a couple of newer training types, but I have no clue on how these work yet. Is there a guide somewhere on the net for this?
Tubby Rower
19-03-2007, 11:21
wing attacks train the winger skill for your two wingers and up to 3 forwards. a 17 yo will pop in ~ 7 weeks, so older players seem as though they would never pop... especially since I was coming from GK training where pops were shorter. the slower training is offset by being able to train up to 5 players per game @ 100%.
Calculations made me decide to choose between winger training and PM training. Winger training appears to be more profitable I must say...
PM training is more of a hassle, because I need to arrange so much (sell all 9 current midfielders and buy 10 new ones.
Seeing that my current wingers are weak it will be easier to get rid of those players, without having a big problem to keep my current stength.
I have made the switch to winger training. Old wingers and my last keeper trainee are for sale right now and I have purchased a couple of young wingers and wingback already.
I hope that this new training is a wise decision.
Shabbaman
22-04-2007, 11:14
I'm still looking for a winger ;)
Socrates
22-04-2007, 12:09
I'm getting about one pop per week at the moment, so I'm satisfied with it. All hail winger training !
I got my first pop after switching to winger training! My cheapest trainee (2K) went from solid to excellent :)
Congrats Aggie, that's been a really good buy!
With so many CDZ managers making the shift to winger training, it would be really interesting if you could all keep us up to date here on the (financial) consequences for your teams. :)
So far, I get the impression it is really paying off for you guys, right?
socralynnek
27-04-2007, 11:16
I fear, that too many teams might swithc to winger training and thus the prices will fall harder than in other trainings.
OTOH, it would surely be nice to train some WTM at some point if one has the money to buy some nice midfileders...
I'm keeping a training record and will certainly inform you about my progress and the financial consequences.
Until now I have only seen enthousiastic tales but no hard figures from the CDZ managers, so we'll see ;)
EDIT: My main reason to switch to winger training is that it will have the lowest impact on the strength of my team. PM training would weaken my team too much at first. The wingers that I have now are almost as strong as my old ones, while still only being 17/18 y.o.
Tubby Rower
27-04-2007, 12:15
That was my thoughts on winger training too. After next season though, I'm thinking of switching to defending or maybe passing. I'm using training to build up my team and not for profit. I honestly just hope to break even after purchasing 1 other outfielder and getting trainees for the next training.
I am certain that I made a profit with my keeper training, despite the fact that it is the least profitable. Last season I made 800K. I don't see why we wouldn't earn a good buck with this winger training.
Or does it have something to do with the fact that I am only playing in league VIII (which means other economics)?
Tubby Rower
27-04-2007, 12:39
Oh I'm certain that there is money to be had, but I'm not counting on it. I'm in the process of upgrading my stadium to 23001 in div V so I'm expecting more of my week-to-week income to be from receipts instead of training. Out of curiosity was that 800k just from the training done last season or was some of that training from season 31?
If you take into account the excess cost of the salaries for the 2nd set of trainees (the 1st set you would need anyway), and then divide it out over a weekly basis I don't think that there is that much money in any of the training unless you can get great trainees that have already been trained up to that point where training becomes the most profitable.
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
Out of curiosity was that 800k just from the training done last season or was some of that training from season 31?
This was from last season only. Sadly I am playing in the Netherlands. And because we have a lot of teams I will not be profiting a lot from spectator sales for a long time. I am only in the VIIIth league you know and it is already very difficult to promoto to the VIIth. This will probably take me two more seasons... It takes very long for me to get a decently sized fan club.
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
...I don't think that there is that much money in any of the training unless you can get great trainees that have already been trained up to that point where training becomes the most profitable.
I bought excellent keepers and sold them as outstanding and brilliant... This is the bandwith with the higest profit per skill jump. I took into account the costs for the assistant coaches and the salaries of the trainees. I will -in general- indeed not look for lower skilled trainees, because it takes too long to get them to the level in which they are most profitable.
Now however I also bought a couple of lower skilled wingers (solid), just to see all sides of the winger training story.
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
I fear, that too many teams might swithc to winger training and thus the prices will fall harder than in other trainings.
Last update: 29-04-2007
Training Type Number of teams Percentage
General (Form)******165993 17 %
Stamina**************59824 6 %
Set pieces***********11398 1 %
Defending***********126780 13 %
Scoring*************133081 14 %
Crossing (Winger)****48674 5 %
Shooting*************14235 1 %
Short passes*********34880 4 %
Playmaking**********259918 27 %
Goalkeeping**********60520 6 %
Through Passes*******11071 1 %
Defensive Positions**10576 1 %
Wing Attacks*********20388 2 %
According to the latest figures it doesn't seem like everyone is going for Winger training. I must admit that I don't have historical figures to determine the trend...
barbu1977
01-05-2007, 15:31
wow, 17% general training,
That probbaly means that about 12% have stoped all kind of training.
Tubby Rower
01-05-2007, 17:45
why would you not train SOMETHING as even old guys get some benefit from training.
I think the 17% consists mostly of bot teams, or teams that have not logged in yet after getting their team. Training automatically starts at general (which btw does train goalkeeper... well, somewhat at least ;)).
Btw, Aggie are these the Dutch percentages or world wide? Funny to see that scoring is still at 14 and playmaking at 27, which iirc were exactly the same numbers when I started training these skill, a lot of seasons ago.
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
I think the 17% consists mostly of bot teams, or teams that have not logged in yet after getting their team. ...
Do bot teams actually train something? If yes, then you are certainly right. But many people don't care to train anything.
IIRC, Meli was training general for quite a long time.
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
I think the 17% consists mostly of bot teams, or teams that have not logged in yet after getting their team. Training automatically starts at general (which btw does train goalkeeper... well, somewhat at least ;)).
Btw, Aggie are these the Dutch percentages or world wide? Funny to see that scoring is still at 14 and playmaking at 27, which iirc were exactly the same numbers when I started training these skill, a lot of seasons ago.
Kemal, this is worldwide...
I got them from supporter, not too difficult to find. I too recognize the figures, looking similar to a year ago. Are these really up-to-date?
At the end of last season I bought this player:
quote:Thomas Karlsson (717492) 4
41 years, weak form, injured (4 weeks)
A pleasant guy who is calm and upright.
Has supernatural experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Nationality: Sverige
Total Skill Index (TSI): 10
Wage: 672 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: 4 weeks
Stamina: excellent Goalkeeping: non-existent
Playmaking: passable Passing: non-existent
Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched
Scoring: non-existent Set Pieces: non-existent
My idea was to use him as a future coach. I payed 259,000 euro for him.
Recent discussions in the Q&A thread has made me aware that it generally is a good idea to use up your current coach until his leadership is disasterous for some time, threatening to make him a passable coach.
The current coach is wrechted for about a season now. So he could me my coach for at least a season more.
Looking at my financial situation I can only spend my money once at the end of the season. I intend to upgrade my stadium as well for about 450,000 euro.
Should I keep Karlsson until my current coach turns passable? Should I sell him, hoping for a decent buck? Or should I turn hm into coach at the start of next season already?
What would be wise?
quote:
What would be wise?
I really do not know what is wise.but I would just keep an dplay him in your freindly's. And in certain win games to make it cheaper to make him coach.
Unfortunately, his playing days are over.. (injured, 4 weeks)
I'd keep him up until the moment you feel you need better midfield rating due to improved TS, or until your other coach is no longer solid. I don't think selling him will see you a return of investment, to be honest, since he can no longer play and will never be able to improve his experience again.
Yes I guess he is cheap now and I can just as well keep him for a longer period. So I will go for a stadium upgrade at the end of this season instead of a coach upgrade.
Following in Tubby's footsteps with the training I will also follow in them with posting my trainees. I have used tomattrick for 2 weeks only until now:
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Tubby Rower
16-05-2007, 14:14
why don't you move Cesar Ulleta to winger and move Henryk Bielan back to wing back? You'd have another 17 yo popping quicker and thus giving more income and you wouldn't lose too much defense since Henryk has inadequate defending vs Cesar's passable defending.
Well, The above scheme doesn't tell the truth about how I field my trainees:
My wingers are: Danciu, Nelissen, Ulleta, Bielan
My WB's are: Shachar, Domingos, Juvan, Roelofs
EDIT: I am alternating between Bielan and Roelofs for the 4th wing/WB position.
Tubby Rower
16-05-2007, 14:59
if you use tommatrick to set your lineups, you can lock players into a particular position. and then when you tell it to give you a 3-5-2, there is an option to "force position".
I had to lock all of my wing backs because they all suck at defense.
OK, thanks for the tip! Until now I haven't used it to set my lineup though.
Next Sunday I will play a home match vs the nr one of the league. I was planning to PiC, but the events of last weekend (point loss for the top dogs) gave me an odd chance to win the league.
I still have 4 home match, a.o. vs nr 1, 2 and 4.
Next match is against nr 1 Horny Hooligans (817016). After that I play a slightly weaker team, then a BOT and then I have to play strong teams only. My team spirit is composed. I play with 4 wingers (winger training). My defense will therefore be weak and my formation predictable. H.H. has an average of 155 points, I come at 130 at most without MotS.
What is wise? Should I play a normal game, should I MotS? And what can I do with my formation to have a better chance than about 10%?.............
quote:24-05-2007 Fan club size reached 1002 members [cheerl]
A sure full stadium next Sunday. I hope they see us doing well. I will MotS and go AO. Midfield should then be only a bit weaker than Horny Hooligans and attack should be stronger than them. We'll see what happens then.
Well.... I lost. And I decided to take drastic steps. I will upgrade the arena to 20K. I still have two big games at home this season and do expect full stadiums. That would allow me to profit already.
To achieve this I have to sell players. I will start with my 2nd GK, but what about this guy? He has a high TSI, but only 4 stars at passable. He did cost me 417,000 euro and it appears to me that I can find cheaper buys with similar strengths.
Should I sell this Grig Roman or should I keep him for my future team?
quote:Grig Roman (91485704)
22 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and dishonest.
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Speciality: Quick
Nationality: România
Total Skill Index (TSI): 9 230
Wage: 4 560 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: excellent Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: outstanding Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: wretched
edit: I'm happy with any advice of a HT player!
Tubby Rower
29-05-2007, 15:49
hmm.. I was holding off in case someone more knowledgeable spoke up... I wouldn't upgrade the stadium right now. I'm only having ~20k coming to my games and according to the 15x fanclub calculation for bad runs I should be getting > 23k. but if you know that you'll get the stadium full that'll be 2 of the 10 sellouts needed in order to pay back the constuction costs.
all players have gone down in price. Selling him now (if not needed for wins) would be ok, but are you expecting to replace him later? or is he just sitting on the bench?
I upgraded my stadium to i think 24k, i make a lot more money each week now. so i think it'll be a bonus in the long run :)
Tubby Rower
29-05-2007, 17:48
yeah I'm @ 23001 right now and even the 20k that do show up are a nice bonus every other week
sz_matyas
29-05-2007, 18:37
Not knowing what your plans as far as upgrading your team versus maximizing income are I can't make a firm statement, but I'll give some advice anyway.
This appears to be your best IM (according to alltid), so it would definately hurt your team to fire him. Furthermore, he appears to be one of your best overall players so he would likely be one of the last ones replaced in a normal upgrade cycle of your team. The reason this is relevant is that he only has wretched experience and at low levels increases in experience help more than at high levels so he will improve over the next couple seasons.
If you really need the cash you can sell him, but I would also look for some of your older players with low experience who would be cycled out anyway (Miguel Conde ??). You might be able to go down a skill level for extra experience and pocket the difference for a season until they would have to be replaced anyway. Either way you are taking out a loan against the equity in your team and I prefer short term especially when considering promotion.
quote:Originally posted by sz_matyas
If you really need the cash you can sell him, but I would also look for some of your older players with low experience who would be cycled out anyway (Miguel Conde ??). You might be able to go down a skill level for extra experience and pocket the difference for a season until they would have to be replaced anyway.
Conde would be a good one, but he is my SP guy (at titanic):
quote:Miguel Conde (58870305)
28 years, solid form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is fiery and upright.
Has weak experience and disastrous leadership abilities.
Nationality: Portugal
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 740
Wage: 1 128 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: excellent Set Pieces: titanic
I'd like to keep him one season more. But you certainly have a point there.
Other players I could sell are:
quote:Andrea Tamanza (57170669)
30 years, solid form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is tranquil and honest.
Has inadequate experience and passable leadership abilities.
Speciality: Quick
Nationality: Schweiz
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 390
Wage: 1 008 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: excellent Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: excellent Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched
quote:Yiorgos Matsoukatidis (125723832)
29 years, inadequate form, healthy
A popular guy who is calm and dishonest.
Has inadequate experience and passable leadership abilities.
Nationality: Hellas
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 640
Wage: 936 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: excellent Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: solid
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: inadequate
quote:Ilpo Merenlaine (56310452)
29 years, excellent form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has inadequate experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Nationality: Suomi
Total Skill Index (TSI): 800
Wage: 792 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: weak Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: weak
But their combined worth is only 200K and they need to be replaced if I sell them (certainly the defender and the forward). Other players are younger and were meant to be in my team for many years more.
I DO have 5 midfielders, of which I could miss one (edit: to replace him with a cheap 3 star player). My original question about Grig Roman mainly was pointed at the fact that he doesn't appear to be worth the 400K that I payed for him, despite the high TSI. But then I didn't think about future development (mainly experience).
quote:Originally posted by sz_matyas
Either way you are taking out a loan against the equity in your team and I prefer short term especially when considering promotion.
That's true, but I will not promote anyway (see the league table and my ideas in the post below).
Thanks very much for the pointers! I really appreciate them.
I think it's good to elaborate a bit about what I am planning to do in the next two seasons.
Current situation in my league
Looking at my league (VIII.900), I'm only nr 4 if you look at the ratings. My midfield is amongst the highest, my attack is the strongest, but my defence is very weak.
- Two teams in my division are far stronger than I am: Delta Boys and Horny Hooligans. They are about 1 to 1.5 season ahead of me and I doubt than I can catch them.
- One team, Haz-Dorp, has very high ratings. But plays a 5-3-2 with a very weak midfield. The defense is very strong, but the owner probably doesn't understand this game well enough and therefore can't make the most of his team.
- Two teams, Brinks FC and VCN, are only slightly weaker than I am.
- Two teams are far weaker and will relegate for sure.
Bottom-line is: I think that I am strong enough to survive the 7th division, but not strong enough to promote this or next season.
My choice for winger training and what it means for my planning
Also I am more and more aware that my approach on keeper training doesn't work for winger training. I trained excellent keepers until they popped two levels higher and sold them. The bandwith between excellent and outstanding was the one with the highest profit and it was easy to find excellent players more than halfway towards formi. I would then have a profit of about 800K to spend over that season, allowing me to stengthen the team, upgrade the stadium and replace the coach, if needed (edited).
With my current winger training however I want to train them some levels more to allow me to profit at max. Also I need more time to learn about winger training before I am selling my trainees. This automatically means that I have to be more patient, but in the end -hopefully- will see more money to spend.
My decision, based on all of this
This insight made me decide to approach this and next season differently. I will use this year and next year to build up my team. The way I want to do this is by:
- making more income with a bigger arena (edit: with 1010 supporter I now have a 14,5K arena)
- Winger training to build up my team and make profit
So with this in mind I want to upgrade my stadium now, knowing that I will hurt my team strength. [u]I have 0 euro in the bank and need about 450K.</u> I have to get it from somewhere and don't mind point loss, especially not this season.
All of this is not set in stone. If I sound foolish or miss a thing here or there I really like it that you tell me ;)
sz_matyas
30-05-2007, 23:03
After a quick review of what you have, I can honestly say I don't see a clear, easy course of action. As you didn't sell out two home matches ago, I might suggest doing a staged building of your stadium, but that still leaves the problem of undervalued assets and needing cash now.
To get the cash you are probably going to have to sell Grig Roman no way around it. Definately try and get top dollar for him though rather than just selling him to get cash (i.e. set a price on him, haven't checked the markets recently but maybe a little above median value since he is quick and has a high TSI).
If you're going to abandon winning for the short term, the three other players you mentioned are definate short timers. Perhaps see if you can't play the markets for someone younger with similar/slightly better skills who you can bump up the experience on (19-23 yr old wretched/disasterous experience when players values tend to be lowest). Your team will take a slight hit as in ~0.5 stars for experience but you'll gain that back by the time you want to make your move and actually have better skills for resale purposes. This keeps injuries from being as big a problem and your team will be better in the long run (on the other hand, this is a terrible short term idea as you have a couple great short timers and their form should help you get market value if you list them as such).
Overall it looks like you have a solid plan, just I wouldn't worry about upgrading the stadium too much in a hurry. The biggest thing is make sure that the core of your team is ready to play well when you want to start winning games.
I put Grig Roman on the market for 400K. I see that prices for outstanding midfielders vary from 260K to 550K. But none of these similar players even comes near to Grig's TSI. Let's see what happens and let's hope Grig gets a good health update tomorrow...
EDIT: Thanks for your insights sz_matyas!
This player popped for the 2nd time:
quote:César Ulleta (159116928)
17 years, inadequate form, healthy
A popular guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Nationality: España
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 860
Wage: 792 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: weak Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: formidable Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
I'm not selling, but what would be his worth? There are only three other players alike for sale and no price comparison available. I guess this is a downside of winger training...
Tubby Rower
08-06-2007, 12:38
according to HTPE there's only 3 with those qualifications sold.. .all of them in 2006. The good news is that they went for an average of 581 387 US$ the bad news is that I think that the market has declined a bit (read a lot) since then.
Thank you, I made HTPE a favorite. I really don't get a happy feeling when I look at the prices for outstanding to magnificant 18 y.o.'s though... So I'd almost sell Ulleta. But then again how accurate is HTPE/how much info is put in by users?
EDIT: I do see clearly that winger training gives more profit than GK training. If I'd sell Ulleta now and would follow the same process with my other players I'd cash in more than with GK.
But the uncertainties are a lot bigger as well, mainly because you have to train for a longer time to really profit. And what will the transfer market do in those 2 to 3 seasons?
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
Following in Tubby's footsteps with the training I will also follow in them with posting my trainees. I have used tomattrick for 2 weeks only until now:
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At the end of the season this is the situation:
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5 formi wingers and one outstanding one. The prices for these players are not very clear to me, but I guess it's better to train most of them a bit longer...
But what is wise?
PS. The tomattrick estimates on how far the training is towards next level should be neglected. I have the free version and it stores only two weeks of data.
But Ronny Roelofs was the catch of the year. He only did cost me 2000 euro and he's worth a lot more now.
Tubby Rower
09-07-2007, 20:17
I have 6 formidable wingers and I'm likely going to sell most if not all. You could always sell one as a test subject. Or I could. as soon as one pops to outstanding I'll sell him to test the waters.
Tubby Rower
09-07-2007, 20:28
fwiw, here is my batch... ignore the forward in the mix... he's left over from when I was training wing attacks. also tomattrick thinks that it takes 4 weeks for a 17yo to pop which in reality it's closer to 5 weeks. so 9.5 is really 9.4 and 9.3 is really 9.2
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Gurmann is ynnek's boy. I'll likely keep him (due to being from ynnek) and Ronnwald (due to passsable passing)
Tubby Rower
09-07-2007, 20:32
aggie, I notice that you are training a 17yo as a wingback (50% training) and an 18yo as a winger. Why not consider switching them? to get the 17yo up quicker?
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
aggie, I notice that you are training a 17yo as a wingback (50% training) and an 18yo as a winger. Why not consider switching them? to get the 17yo up quicker?
I still haven't locked players in a position. This is what Tomattrick comes up with. I train the three 17 y.o.'s as winger, sure!
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
I have 6 formidable wingers and I'm likely going to sell most if not all. You could always sell one as a test subject. Or I could. as soon as one pops to outstanding I'll sell him to test the waters.
I might sell Danciu when he pops one more level (brilliant). But I am very interested in the prices of your player of course!
I want to strengthen my squad and need a bit of money. So I put Flavio Dominici (82029287) on the market. He is worth about 200K, but if someone would do me a big favour and bid 100K on him today I would be VERY happy! That would allow me to search for a player in the correct pricing range.
I will not be close to the internet during and after the weekend as it now seems, that why I ask.
Tubby Rower
12-07-2007, 13:47
if no one bids by this afternoon, I'll throw in $100k. I'll be selling a similar player this afternoon as well :D
I got my 2nd brilliant PM thanks to Tubby!!
In other news this player stayed 17 after the age change:
quote:César Ulleta (159116928)
17 years and 85 days, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 12-08-2007
Nationality: España
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 480
Wage: 1 092 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: formidable Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
He is about to pop to oustanding!
Would it be wise to plan winger training this week, selling my player on Friday as a 17 y.o. outstanding winger with passable defense?
Tubby Rower
16-07-2007, 16:05
I'm thinking of doing the same thing. I'm actually thinking of checking the NT databases for players with my young guy's qualifications. he's a 17.5 yo with formidable winger from Sweden. I'm sure that there are quite a bit of other players that are better though.
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
I'm thinking of doing the same thing. I'm actually thinking of checking the NT databases for players with my young guy's qualifications. he's a 17.5 yo with formidable winger from Sweden. I'm sure that there are quite a bit of other players that are better though.
How do I check the NT databse (not thinking that I would be lucky but ypou never know...)?
Tubby Rower
16-07-2007, 19:01
www.nt-db.net
you have to know your CCHP password and the country of the guy you'll be submitting.
Hmmm I miscounted. Ulleta was injured for two weeks and did not receive training then. I guess I will go back to plan A...
Tubby Rower
16-07-2007, 19:46
what was plan A again? I think that I'm gonna follow you
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
what was plan A again? I think that I'm gonna follow you
Are you sure to follow me? ;) I am a relative noob you know!
I wrote this before I carefully read the new editorial.
Apparently all players got a stamina boost and as of now stamina training will be part of the total training per week. The extra stamina boost is a very welcome thing: my latest brilliant PM only had solid stamina and now is excellent.
My original plan was to train general this week and return to winger training next week. Now the new stamina training comes into play. I am at a loss what would be wise. For now I stick to 5% stamina until I hear more of this new feature.
So I will now go for general + 5% stamina and as of next week winger + 5% stamina.
I am selling my two oldest WB trainees and I am trying to buy two others to replace them.
quote:Shachaf Shachar (140016397)
20 years and 17 days, solid form, healthy
A controversial person who is balanced and honest.
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 04-11-2007
Nationality: Israel
Total Skill Index (TSI): 3 520
Wage: 972 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: passable Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: formidable Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: wretched
quote:Senad Juvan (142832998)
20 years and 40 days, inadequate form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 12-10-2007
Nationality: Slovenija
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 200
Wage: 588 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: solid Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: excellent Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
They are due for tomorrow.
I have been bidding on new candidates for two days now, but I am surprised by prices that are payed for them. It almost looks like prices have gone up, but let's see what happens with my two players first.
But if true, then I am wondering if I really should buy two new WB players though... What if this is only a temporary increase and prices will drop again after a season? They are only training at half the speed anyway...
Tubby Rower
01-08-2007, 14:47
Please post your new trainees and how much you paid for them. I'm thinking about getting some nice young defenders to train as WB since my defence current blows.
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
Please post your new trainees and how much you paid for them. I'm thinking about getting some nice young defenders to train as WB since my defence current blows.
I will do so! I am thinking about the same thing, but a 18 yo solid defender with passable winger already is quite expensive (I tried getting them for 150K but failed), let alone an excellent defender...
I am now waiting for the money that I make from the sales before I proceed.
All of a sudden I got the passable winger, solid defender. I am keeping the extra money I get from the two players above for other players to strengthen my team.
quote:Dimosthenis Mprakopoulos (152065741)
18 years and 79 days, solid form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 03-09-2007
Nationality: Hellas
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 210
Wage: 492 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Etoile_nantaise
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: formidable Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: solid
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: poor
Did cost me 143,000 euro.
Another player I got was cheap, but could be cheaper. Then again what is 8006 euro anyway?
quote:17 years and 22 days, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Speciality: Quick
Next birthday: 30-10-2007
Nationality: România
Total Skill Index (TSI): 470
Wage: 420 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: weak Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Not the greatest buys probably, but I plan to train them as winger (85%) as soon as my top wingers pop within 2 or 3 weeks. I decided to sell them as well.
I assume more people look for wingers that have passing to boost their attack ratings or playmaking to boost their midfield rather than extra defence however the the first one could be a good wingback and his stamina is already high.
Tubby Rower
01-08-2007, 22:52
one thing you could do Aggie is play them as wing-backs in your league games and as normal wingers in the mid-week game. I realize that you'll be losing 2 training spots but since their only 50% it's like only losing 1 training spot.
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
I am selling my two oldest WB trainees and I am trying to buy two others to replace them.
....
I sold Shachar for 246,000 euro and Juvan for 200,000 euro. I think it's not bad at all. I'm very keen to know how much I can make with my better and younger wingers that will pop in 2 to 3 weeks.
@Tubby: yes I think that would be a good idea. Let's see how it goes.
I've just sold a 26-yo guy with formidable winger, solid defending, passable passing, and passable stamina for 475K (weak form). So, training wingbacks in winger skill surely does not pay off unless carefully planned. IMHO, it might be more profitable to pick up young guys with decent winger and passing skills and train them in defending full time. Too few people are looking for offensive wingbacks or defensive wingers. Even though there are very few offers, still it does work for only a marginal profit. However, Aggie's plan sounds reasonable and market is getting somewhat to the better side within the past couple of weeks.
Well, the thing is that I have 4-5 strong wingers now and I want to keep training winger for at least this season. Also I don't want to switch to defensive training, because that would hurt me in trying to win in the league. Playmaking is also out now, my midfield would be seriously weakened. So if I would have to choose a training type now it would again be winger or scoring.
My youngest trainee popped today:
quote:César Ulleta (159116928)
17 years and 110 days, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 12-08-2007
Nationality: España
Total Skill Index (TSI): 4 070
Wage: 1 092 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: passable Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: outstanding Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
Should I sell him or should I wait one more week for an 18 y.o. which will then only be brilliant winger without any subskills? I am thinking of selling only one of them and the market is going well now...
socralynnek
10-08-2007, 09:35
If you list him know, he is 18 years old on his deadline.
Outstanding is great for a 17yo, isn't it? I think it was quite seldom before the age change.
Maybe same as with Robbo's player: list him for a high price, if he sells ok, if not, train him another level.
Yes he should be 4 days younger, but then again I think people have adjusted well to the new system...
I will place him on the market for a high price and just see what happens. I did see brilliant wingers (one even only 17 years and 97 days with solid scoring!), so outstanding is good, but not unbelievable...
Tubby Rower
10-08-2007, 12:50
especially with the age change. It is conceivable that a 17 yo was bought from the first pull of last season and then when the days were added he came out as 17 years and 57 days old. With winger training you could get 5 pops in 1.5 seasons. If he started as even solid he could be magnificent before his 18th b-day.
But this should be rare.
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
Yes he should be 4 days younger, but then again I think people have adjusted well to the new system...
I will place him on the market for a high price and just see what happens. I did see brilliant wingers (one even only 17 years and 97 days with solid scoring!), so outstanding is good, but not unbelievable...
I decided to give him further training. Prices for magnificant 18 yo's are nice and I also really can use stronger wingers at the end of this season. I probably have a deciding match to play in round 11.
Yesterday I sold this player:
quote:Vasile Danciu (156411443)
18 years and 91 days, inadequate form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is calm and upright.
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities.
Speciality: Head
Next birthday: 18-09-2007
Nationality: România
Total Skill Index (TSI): 5 310
A brilliant winger with no subskills.
I sold him for 714,000 euro! I hoped for 600K, so I am happy. I now have 1 million to spend on a star midfielder and a new winger trainee.
Tubby Rower
28-08-2007, 11:58
That's good to know as I'll have a brilliant winger this week and will likely need to sell an outstanding as well to pay for Mistfit's magnificient GK
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
I now have 1 million to spend on a star midfielder and a new winger trainee.
I decided to go for the midfielder and wait with the winger. I would have liked to get a 19 or 20 y.o. WB with formi or more at defending and passale or more wing.
That was impossible, because I also needed a strong midfielder. I now have 1 magnificant PM and two brilliant ones. One of the brilliant PM's is injured so therefore I needed a strong replacement very quickly. I can't afford to lose sunday's match.
As a result I now have 4 wingers and 3 WB's. Since WB's train far slower I can coop with that. With one less WB I have opened the option to play with more than one central defender and that will finally make me more flexible with my formations.
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
I fear, that too many teams might swithc to winger training and thus the prices will fall harder than in other trainings.
Last update: 29-04-2007
Training Type Number of teams Percentage
General (Form)******165993 17 %
Stamina**************59824 6 %
Set pieces***********11398 1 %
Defending***********126780 13 %
Scoring*************133081 14 %
Crossing (Winger)****48674 5 %
Shooting*************14235 1 %
Short passes*********34880 4 %
Playmaking**********259918 27 %
Goalkeeping**********60520 6 %
Through Passes*******11071 1 %
Defensive Positions**10576 1 %
Wing Attacks*********20388 2 %
According to the latest figures it doesn't seem like everyone is going for Winger training. I must admit that I don't have historical figures to determine the trend...
Above the figures of 29/4/2007. Below the latest figures:
quote:Last update : 03-09-2007
Training Type Number of teams Percentage
General (Form) 184610 20 %
Set pieces 12340 1 %
Defending 131613 14 %
Scoring 134573 14 %
Crossing (Winger) 51285 5 %
Shooting 15547 2 %
Short passes 39855 4 %
Playmaking 264394 28 %
Goalkeeping 58342 6 %
Through Passes 12255 1 %
Defensive Positions 12214 1 %
Wing Attacks 21995 2 %
Tubby Rower
04-09-2007, 14:38
it looks as though set piece training has gone down as well. I might take that up as my current (titanic) SP guy only has passable scoring and passable.5 winger. So he's kind of a drag on my attack when I put him in compared to my other two forwards.
I am going to need a boost to have any chance vs my title opponent, Delta Boys. I have to play them in 3 weeks and they have higher hatstats, mainly in defense. I'm leading in forward and midfield is about the same.
I'm thinking about the following:
- Replacing my disastrous leadership coach with an inadequate leadership coach. The coach swap is due very soon, because my current coach is disastrous for almost a season already. How much would I gain when my current midfield 'inadequate' in average?
- Training general the week before the duel. I would lose one week of winger training, but the form boost might be vital. Is this a valid and worthwhile option?
- Selling one of my winger trainees to invest in my team. I am thinking about replacing a solid forward with a formidable one.
What about the options above and are there other options?
If you can PiC a few matches before the Delta Boys game, inadequate LS will really help you out as far as TS/midfield is concerned. Since you're going to swap soon anyway I'd definitely do that.
As for the other two options, I would go for it since promotion to the VI will net you more money than staying in the VII, plus you would no longer have the horrendous match-start time of 21:00, as I think it is in the VII...
sz_matyas
17-09-2007, 21:55
Another option is to drop training intesity right before the game for the TS boost.
By switching coaches you should be able to get around 4 levels of TS in 3 weeks, so that might boost you to passable. It's a bit expensive, but has to be done so I would recommend sooner rather than later.
As far as selling your trainee, I'd be wary of it unless you have a plan for making up for the cash loss long term (you are already sacrificing some of your future in not training a week). It might work, but I might suggest trying an overload attack tactic such as giving up on center attack and playing AoW with FTW.
barbu1977
17-09-2007, 22:13
General training is a nice boost. I would do it.
Thank you for all the pointers. I will swap to a new coach asap (this week).
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
...As for the other two options, I would go for it since promotion to the VI will net you more money than staying in the VII...
Sadly I'm still in the VIIth division, hoping to get to the VIth sooner than it is taking me to get to the VIIth...
I'm selling this guy, because he is not a player I want to keep for next season, when multi skills are more important:
quote:Ronny Roelofs (147717863) [Add this player to your bookmarks]
19 years and 14 days, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Speciality: Head
Next birthday: 26-12-2007
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 3 370
Wage: 1 230 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: passable Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: outstanding Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Ronny Roelofs sold for 606000 euro. I payed 2000 euro for him so this is a great profit! Sadly I can only buy the new coach on Sunday, after the economic update...
EDIT: well, that's great. All my key players had form drops. My three most important mids are weak or lower... Luckily I play a bot this Sunday.
quote:Originally posted by barbu1977
General training is a nice boost. I would do it.
The result is very clear, a lot of my players had a form boost. A lot, but not my inner mids. They remained at inad, poor and poor [aargh][aargh][aargh]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Aggie/200710584340_form players.jpg
socralynnek
05-10-2007, 08:47
Maybe without General training, it might have been even worse...so it still might have paid off.
That's true of course, but why oh why are all my inners out of shape (including the subs).......?
So without a proper midfield I will not be able to win on possession vs Delta Boys next Sunday. I would have had a great chance if... I am now contemplating the following options:
- Playing counter-attack. My defense, wing and (to a lesser extend) forwards are in solid to excellent form, but CA is inad and formations other than 4-4-2 and 3-5-2 I only am poor.
- Playing pressing, with nice stamina figures, but pressing also is only on inad.
What would be wise? (edit:)And if I choose one of the above, how should it be played?
Tubby Rower
05-10-2007, 13:07
wow that sucks Aggie. As a non-expert, I'd attempt a CA with a 4-4-2 formation and have your wingers play offensively and your IM's play offensive or defensive.
Another option is to play one or two of your extra IM's as offensive defenders with a 3-5-2 with no wingbacks. I'm just shooting in the dark here, as I don't know what your opponent's strengths are beside midfeild
These are the last four games of Delta Boys in HT Dog. He probably will MotS his home-game vs me so midfield will be higher...
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Edit: My wing-attack is far stronger than his defense. My defense can be upgraded to about as strong as his attack with 4-4-2 (or 5-3-2)
socralynnek
05-10-2007, 13:38
Without haveing an overview what your ratings might be, here are my 2 cents:
If your defense can't be higher than about his attack strength, then giving up midfield will result in a sure and maybe high loss.
If he gets 9 of the 10 chances and ratinsg are about even, he will surely score 4-5 goals.
So, one option might be: 3-5-2, two off CD, 3 inner mids 1 WTM, 1 attacker defensive and one towards the side of your offensive winger. The third defender should be an extra CD or off wingback (and then you play both forwards defensive)
Can you then beat him in midfield? Probably not, as you don't have enough players with PM, I guess.
If you can get above 55% posession with that and have on clearly stronger attacking side you might have a chance. And if you lose at least it is not by a big margin.
I'd get 5.4 midfield (according to Tomattrick) if I follow your suggestions. I don't know how well this prediction is but I'm going for it. I might match Delta Boys this way. I'd lose one WB training spot but I guess a possible win is more important!
My attack-on-wings rating is formidable. Would it be good to play this way?
Tubby Rower
05-10-2007, 14:29
if your wing attacks beat his wing defense (which I assume it does mightily) then yes. I'd also consider MotSing it.
@Tubby: MotS-ing this is absolutely essential. Both Delta Boys and me should win the remaining games. I am happy with a draw by the way, with my far better goal ratings and a bot next week.
This is what Tomattrick comes with, the best I can do.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Aggie/2007105144816_prediction.jpg
With my mids in at last inad form (and my SP striker NOT suspended) I would have a BIG chance to promote. Life is unfair :(
socralynnek
05-10-2007, 15:00
Hmm, ok, I assume he plays MOTS. That would mean you'd still lose midfield.
BTW, is your above calculation with a FTW? If so, then I guess it might be better to put someone there as def. FW. your side attack should be good enough without that and if you follow that strategy, each little bit in midfield helps to prevent goals from him.
Serioulsy, if he gets to about 6 in midfield, you must be very lucky to get a point even then.
So maybe a 4-4-2 with two def att and at least 1 WTM might give you higher chances. That means, you still MOTS it but prepare your defence for your opponent getting at least 7 chances. But still, I don't see a way at the moment for a lineup that gives you good chances to win it.
If you desperately need a win then try to buy one more midfielder and use the tactics from above.
Thank you Ynnek for your insights. I guess I have to pray to the HT gods for some luck...
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
If you desperately need a win then try to buy one more midfielder and use the tactics from above.
I only need a draw and I have no money for a new mid. I decided against selling a winger trainee for the money, because I hoped for a form boost (and I shouldn't disregard my long-term goals for this one game).
edit: quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
BTW, is your above calculation with a FTW? If so, then I guess it might be better to put someone there as def. FW. your side attack should be good enough without that and if you follow that strategy, each little bit in midfield helps to prevent goals from him.
It was with a FTW, but I have no player striker left to seriously improve midfield while playing defensively...
edit2: I can boost it to 5.7, but then my left attack drops from 9 to 6.5...
If this match is that important, by all means go into debt and you can sell some player(s) later but IMO, you can buy some midfield and also you can play with 4 or even 5 IMs. Not WTM but just IM. You'll get some confusion (very severe with 5 IM and quite tolerable with 4), you'll lose training for the week but you would be probably able to own the midfield. You can also go into small debt and buy a divine player for this one game. Their price is still cheap but of course salary is horrible.
Tubby Rower
05-10-2007, 20:32
the way they have the price checks now, if you can't afford the salary without going into < $200k in debt then you can't buy them,
Thank you akots. Your suggestions are very interesting, but I am not going to buy a divine player and I will also not lose another week of training for this game. I just have to hope that I am lucky today, despite the odds. If not there's always next season, but then I hope that no super-team will relegate to my league just to go for the cup...
edit: Having lost the crucial game and hating the fact that I have to spend another season in the VIIIth division I will probably buy that divine player for a crucial match next season.
I sold my YA-pull Misja van Laer yesterday. A passable 18 y.o. defender without subskill or stamina (TSI = 80). The new owner payed 5000 euro, so that's a good deal for a worthless pull.
Misja played a friendly vs Aristocats at 17.30 h, then flew to Portugal and played another match there at 21.55 h. He really loves the game!
socralynnek
11-10-2007, 14:29
Good, that Portugal is in another timezone ;)
Yesterday I sold two players that I didn't want to train any further.
One of them (Domingos) is 20 now and I wasn't interested to train him one more season for another pop.
quote:Alexandre Domingos (152555695)
20 years and 7 days, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
Next birthday: 29-01-2008
Nationality: Portugal
Total Skill Index (TSI): 3 650
Stamina: solid Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: formidable Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
I bought him for 150,000 euro as a solid winger. Yesterday a crazy bidding war went on and he sold for 537,000 euro. I would have been happy with 400K!
The other guy (Ilyes) wasn't multi-skilled enough and I have better 17 y.o.'s for the winger positions.
quote:Márk Ilyés (171393183)
17 years and 98 days, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Speciality: Quick
Next birthday: 30-10-2007
Nationality: România
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 230
Stamina: solid Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: excellent Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
I bought him for 8002 euro as a passable winger. What went on in the last minutes before he sold I couldn't quite follow, but in the end he sold for... 400,000 euro. I had 200K in my mind.
The money I have now will be used for players more suited for next season's situation.
socralynnek
16-10-2007, 08:31
Oh, not bad...not bad...
Sad that my plannings include, that I don't sell a single player this season...
But maybe next season isn't worse.
The prices are definitely going up. This is good on one hand since the impact of wages is diminishing but bad on the other hand since to progress, one has to buy and buying can be expensive.
Tubby Rower
16-10-2007, 12:43
I'm intending on switching out of winger training soon. I was planning on training passing to boost my tactic skills. It seems like all positions benefit from passing and I have a few decent wingers that I'll be keeping.
How long were you planning on staying with Winger training?
I am leaning towards ending winger training and switching over to something else. But first a couple of my main guys should pop another level at least.
I am now going to buy two somewhat older players (around 20 y.o.) high on defense, nice PM and also some wing to put them on WB spots. At the end of this season I probably have only 4 serious winger trainees. Next season I'll see what I'm going to do...
In the weeks between my loss vs Delta Boys and the first league match I performed several actions to prepare myself for the new season:
1. I fired (edit: sold) all players older than 26 years, including my 3 times top-scorer Miguel Conde
2. I bought this player to boost my defense (while training winger he will be on a WB spot):
quote:Eugeniusz Klimczak (144011653)
20 years and 87 days, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is balanced and honest.
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 04-12-2007
Nationality: Polska
Total Skill Index (TSI): 11 930
Wage: 2 820 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: solid Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: brilliant
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched
3. I bought this player to boost my attack (during friendlies he will play WB as a winger-training filler):
quote:Filippo Lamaresca (147587890)
20 years and 89 days, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 02-12-2007
Nationality: Italia
Total Skill Index (TSI): 10 350
Wage: 3 300 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: solid Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: outstanding Set Pieces: wretched
4. I trained stamina 30% during the two IS weeks. Now almost all players are solid to excellent in stamina.
5. I trained general 70% during the last IS week. 3 of my 4 most important playmakers are between passable and excellent now (at last!!!).
Last Wednesday I broke my stars record (42) an almost reached my hatstats record (155 to 160) while PiC-ing. After today's form boost I am curious to see what I will get next Sunday in my first away league match. This will be a 'normal' game (no PiC or MotS), although I play one of the three main contenders for the title.
During the next couple of weeks my youngest (18 yo) winger trainee will turn magnificent. I will then sell him and replace him with another young strong forward with winger skills. Slowly but surely I am moving away from strict winger training and towards alternating between several training types.
Why did you fire all older than 26? Were they complete crap? (<passable everywhere) 26 is not really old yet and wtih the new rules older player will loose their skill more slowly if they are not incredibly good. So they would still be very usefull, unless of course they were utter crap.
I didn't fire them, but sold them (and I am satisfied with what I got for them). With the new rules they will keep their skill easier, but stamina will drop faster. And stamina is important for all positions now. I don't want to have an extra high stamina % just to keep the old guys fit.
Does anyone have a clue what I could get for this guy?
I saw a 19 y.o. magni wing, inad defense who sold for 1 million a month ago. But that is no comparison I think.
quote:César Ulleta (159116928)
18 years and 103 days, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 02-12-2007
Nationality: España
Total Skill Index (TSI): 11 600
Wage: 1 476 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: solid Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: magnificent Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
Career Goals: 9
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 2
Cup goals this season: 0
No-one with a clue how much I could get?
socralynnek
26-11-2007, 15:12
Hmmmm...difficult question.
Without taking age into account, I'd think slightly above 1M. But as he is still very young, it might even be double that. Haven't followed the change in prices recently exact enough, e.g. whether weak as PM skill might even be worth something with the training change (I doubt that).
Sadly Hattrick Buddy doesn't work anymore, the TPE was quite ok and gave hints age dependant.
My estimate: 1.7 million Euros (But don't trust that too much)
That would be my guess as well. I'm selling him, because I urgently need a SP forward...
socralynnek
29-11-2007, 16:52
Wow...not bad...good that my team is already quite strong and that I don't need to buy a player soon...
Indeed. The sum seems nice but the players I want to replace him with are expensive as well.
impressive amount of money. byt stil going to keep my players a bit longer.
quote: Justino Canido:
Increased his winger skill from wretched to poor
Filippo Lamaresca:
His training efforts showed good results as his winger abilities increased from inadequate to passable
Louis Nelissen:
His winger proficiency improved from brilliant to magnificent.
Alex Cousin:
Training hard and no fooling around with his team-mates helped improve his winger skill from solid to excellent.
What a week!
Well, they do eventually promote if one is patient enough. [lol]
Seriously, it seems that they have tweaked a bit the skill advancement. It is indeed taking quite longer on higher levels. Or may be I'm hallucinating. It also does take slightly less on lower levels.
socralynnek
14-12-2007, 09:03
akots, that is exactly what they have announced before the start of the season.
Low skills are faster, high skills slower than before. OTOH age dependancy of improvement got reduced. Therefore older players with low skills train much faster now than before.
It all may be true, but I'm not complaining. I haven't seen a terrible slowdown of skill-ups this season. And looking at the transfer market this slight slowdown is more than compensated by the money you get.
I promoted to a very tough VII league (VII.108). That said I aim to compete for promotion. But the league is so close that relegation also is possible....
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
I promoted to a very tough VII league (VII.108). ....
Not sot tough may be. Your Nos 1 and 2 are seem to be bots or inactive, and not so strong even if they just went for a vacation. JAFM seems to be relatively strong but nothing you cannot handle in the long run. Others might be competitive but you can beat them. May be it will take more than one season or may be you can promote right away, hard to tell IMHO.
OK, seems you are right about the club finidi. I only looked at their ratings in alttid, but didn't see that they weren't even playing friendlies. Still their ratings are quite high...
Tubby Rower
18-02-2008, 12:47
if they're inactive and now a bot, they'll get reset soon...
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
if they're inactive and now a bot, they'll get reset soon...
Well, the team finidi isn't entirely inactive. The manager logs in every 4 weeks or so...
I think I’m going to follow the example of sz_matyas and post my squad here. I will face a strong VIIth league and I hope I’m prepared.
I sold a few older players and players with almost no side-skills. This is my team now. I should be able to get 50 stars and 200 hatstats now and then. This would be among the highest ratings of my league (but certainly not by far):
GK:
Hugo Mabit: formi GK, WC set pieces (almost 26 yr old)
Philip Danbury: solid GK (24 yr old)
Defense:
Krzyztof Cap: magni def (26 yr old)
Eugeniusz Klimczak: brilliant def, solid wing (21.5 yr old)
Simon Dirksen: formi def, solid PM (25 yr old) [quick]
Wing:
Henryk Bielan: almost magni wing, inad PM, scoring, passing (almost 21 yr old) [head]
Alex Cousin: formi wing, passable PM, inad def (19 yr old)
Serhan Koryak: formi wing, inad PM (18.5 yr old) [unpred]
Giuliano Stievano: solid wing, passable pass, inad PM (almost 18 yr old) [head]
PM:
Bjorn Heemink: WC PM, inad scoring (23.5 yr old)[head]
Mateja Tosic: magni PM, inad passing (25 yr old) [unpred]
Anton Karateev: brilliant PM, passable score, formi SP (22.5 yr old) [head]
Philippe Gautheron: brilliant PM, passable passing, solid SP (23 yr old) [power]
Scoring:
Filippo Lamaresca: outstanding scoring, passable, PM, wing, passing (21.5 yr old)
Manor Landesman: formi scoring, solid wing (20 yr old)
Besides this I have a couple of passable players in all sorts of positions. I have been training winger and I plan to keep doing so.
My idea is to sell Bielan as soon as he hits magni. I planned to replace him with a young winger. I’d expect a profit of 1 million with that deal and with that money I’d like to improve the team.
I expect to make about 100,000 euro every two weeks. At this moment I'm broke.
edit: I have almost 1500 supporters and I'm upgrading the stadium to 32,000.
Anyone with pointers on what steps to take?
Tubby Rower
19-02-2008, 12:18
why are you training a solid winger? is it because of the secondaries or because you were broke? I'm mainly asking as I'm trying to learn :)
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
why are you training a solid winger? is it because of the secondaries or because you were broke? I'm mainly asking as I'm trying to learn :)I am not in a position to buy an excellent 17 yo wingers with decent side-skills. They are far too expensive for me. I think you have to pay 1 million and you can question yourself if you are ever going to really profit from such a player. I myself choose to go for solid 17 yo's. This way I'm losing 5 or 6 weeks but I can live with that...
sz_matyas
19-02-2008, 18:26
Nice team you have there, though the new rules on GK set pieces is going to hurt a bit.
If I were running the team, here are the changes I would make for the coming season with a couple long term issues.
GK: Seems like a decent starter. Long term you should look to replace him, but that is probably 2 seasons away
Defense: I would spend your $1M from your winger here (or most of it anyway). A way to steal wins against better teams is to field a good defense and then rely on SP and SE for goals. This limits the damage of a loss and can get you an unexpected win. With only 3 good defenders it's hard to play unexpected 4-5-1 games for this type of result. Also I only see 1 true wing back, very useful to have two if you are playing a team like mine that has its best players on the wing.
Wings: I have no problem with the solid wing, he's 4th in line and probably won't play any important matches until he has improved. He'll turn into a great player with time, so don't sweat it. Overall, looks like a solid bunch of players here.
IM: Nice group here, really can't go too wrong. I would note that scoring doesn't matter for IMs (unless combined with SP for long shots) so don't worry about buying/noting it.
Forwards: Here is where I would spend the rest of your money this season. You don't have the high level wingers yet so you need to boost that with a strong central attack and formidable/outstanding just won't cut it. I would recommend brilliant/outstanding at a minimum and maybe a touch higher given the talent on your team. This isn't a rush, but an area that must be addressed.
General: I would possibly look for a SP guy to take advantage of the 3 players with head on your team. As stated earlier, this is a great way to pull surprise wins or keep blowouts close.
Given your low income, I would recommend against getting any new players WC and above for now as you have more significant needs and can't afford the huge salary bump. I like the team though and figure you would either beat me or at least challenge me hard in 14 game playoff.
Thank you very much! It's always nice to know what others think and your insights are very valuable for me.
First on my list will be defense and then forwards. And indeed I have to look for a replacement SP-taker. The two forwards are WB's in friendlies to improve their winger skills. So as soon as one pops (and I have money left) I will probably (edit:) replace the player.
Personally i think your defence is better than your attack so perhaps should look to invest there. Problem is if you do want a brilliant forward your looking at spending between 900,000-1,000,000 £. That doesnt even get you a 5 star forward for that you should probably be buying WC and he'll definatly get you 5 stars a game but then your looking at at least another 300-400k more.
You could consider selling landesman, that solid wing and formi scoring means he's still quite an attractive person to train so you should. Just checking out the markets and a 24 year old is on for 650k. Above asking price but theres no reason you wouldnt be able to get more than what you paid for him.
Step by step I am moving away from winger training. This player is one of the products of the current training regime:
quote: Eugeniusz Klimczak (144011653)
23 years and 3 days, inadequate form, healthy
A controversial person who is balanced and honest.
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 04-11-2008
Nationality: Polska
Total Skill Index (TSI): 17 220
Wage: 4 864 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: excellent Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: formidable Defending: brilliant
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched
Career Goals: 11
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 1
Cup goals this season: 0
He started as passable winger and indications show that he might be worth almost 3 M euro. I am curious about what the experts around here think about this guy.
Should I keep him or should I sell him and replace him with a player around 19/20 yo, same defender strength and a great secondary skill in PM.
I am think about switching to PM training.
socralynnek
18-07-2008, 13:38
Hmmm, transfer prices are not my speciality. I know how to analyze the situation once I start searching for a player (BTW, with patience and 3 weeks of searching I managed to get a solid exp/solid leadership guy for 500 K€, because you asked a few weeks ago)
I can imagine him being worth 3M. Sounds reasonable.
Training him in PM is probably not really worth it although normal playing WB have an influence on midfield. But not enough.
Personally I like training defenders in PM as you can see in my team, so I'd say yes...
Selling him depends on whether you think you need him or the money more. That's a difficult question as that player is very nice to have.
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
Step by step I am moving away from winger training. This player is one of the products of the current training regime:
He started as passable winger and indications show that he might be worth almost 3 M euro. I am curious about what the experts around here think about this guy.
Should I keep him or should I sell him and replace him with a player around 19/20 yo, same defender strength and a great secondary skill in PM.
I am think about switching to PM training.
I think I would keep him if I was in your position. The player is good enough to play in division V. At least better than my wingbacks.
3M seems like a lot of money for this player, so I think he will bring a bit less, but maybe that is, because I need a simular player with slightly higher stats. And I do not want him to be that expensive.
quote:Originally posted by arne1
3M seems like a lot of money for this player, so I think he will bring a bit less...You were correct. He sold for 'only' 2 819 000 ˆ!
edit2: I decided to sell the player, because I want to improve my midfield as much as possible. Therefore I am also going to focus at defenders and wingers with PM as a strong 2nd trait...
edit: a couple of madmen just went into a bidding war for this player:
quote:Anton Karateev (131962280)
24 years and 2 days, inadequate form, healthy
A controversial person who is balanced and honest.
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities.
Speciality: Head
Next birthday: 08-11-2008
Nationality: Ukraina
Total Skill Index (TSI): 11 210
Wage: 5 142 ˆ/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: excellent Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: brilliant Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: formidable
He went for more than 3 M euro!!!
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
quote:Originally posted by arne1
3M seems like a lot of money for this player, so I think he will bring a bit less...You were correct. He sold for 'only' 2 819 000 ˆ!
I noticed these players are still to expensive for me. I have to save for a few extra weeks to be able to get a good one.
My wife is pregnant and the baby is expected to arrive October 19th. That being said it might be any date between now and end of October. I am planning to take 5 weeks off after the birth of the baby. I also then will have very limited access to Hattrick.
Could someone help me through these weeks and assist me with my team Lucky Aggie? It's not only arranging friendlies and responding to injuries, but also training things and my YA team. I have two defender prospect that will turn 17 while I am away and I want to profit at max from their excellent skills.
I can maybe help out where i can but im not the most regular of hattrick player anymore ill be honest.
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
My wife is pregnant and the baby is expected to arrive October 19th. That being said it might be any date between now and end of October. I am planning to take 5 weeks off after the birth of the baby. I also then will have very limited access to Hattrick.
Could someone help me through these weeks and assist me with my team Lucky Aggie? It's not only arranging friendlies and responding to injuries, but also training things and my YA team. I have two defender prospect that will turn 17 while I am away and I want to profit at max from their excellent skills.
Please, be specefic in what you all want done. arrange freindly and respond to injuries I can do. Promote some youth players I can also do as long as you tell me when I am suppose to pull them. I will not sort out the best places for your youth players, I am too lazy to that for my own team. I can switch training for you once, if there is a clear instruction on when this needs to happen.
Please set all the line-ups you can. I will not be held responsible for the results though.
Arne, thanks for your offer. I appreciate it a lot! But I have arranged my limited access during that period already..
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
Arne, thanks for your offer. I appreciate it a lot! But I have arranged my limited access during that period already..
Very well! and good luck with the baby
I want to improve my team next season. Mainly my attack and goalkeeper need a boost.
I very much welcome your opinion regarding the following players. How useful are they?
Filippo Lamaresca (FW) (147587890)
24 years and 31 days, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 22-02-2009
Nationality: Italia
Total Skill Index (TSI): 16 970
Wage: 3 624 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: passable
Winger: solid Defending: poor
Scoring: outstanding Set pieces: wretched
I like to replace Lamaresca for a player with at least brilliant attack/passable passing/solid PM. Would that be a good trade? I want to spend 1 M euro on top of what I get for Lamaresca for the replacement.
Alex Cousin (W) 1 week injury
TSI = 12 930 , 21 years and 68 days, solid form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: magnificent Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor
I like to replace Cousin for a player with at least brilliant winger/solid or more at PM. Again... is that a good trade? I want to spend 1 M euro on top of what I get for Cousin for the replacement.
The goalkeeper switch is more straight-forward. I want to replace my outstanding GK, WC SP taker for a stronger type, also 1M on top of what I get for the current GK...
socralynnek
03-12-2008, 11:43
I don't knowwhere the prices are heading to. I am leaning towards saying, that prices might have a nice drop at the end of this season. At least nice, if you wanna buy. I guess, you'll get the points needed for not relegating with your current team and you'll not promoting anyway, so you might wait until the end of the season.
I know, you are selling players which means your sales will be lower then, but if prices drop equally, you might still save some money.
But I am no expert in current market prices, so that is a guess.
Especially replacing the first one sounds good. The other is ok. But as everytime, it depends on the price you have to pay´.
One can get almost any deal on the market provided he can spend enough time there hunting and looking for a better sale deals.
Well, let's hope that the club doomed to end 7th doesn't get any more points than in the first 8 games (the 8th is a bot).
Then again, a drop to VIIth wouldn't be the end of the world. It would hurt though.
I am shocked to see how expensive a SN keeper is... And I thought that my 6,5 M was a lot of money...
Tubby Rower
10-12-2008, 18:47
well that's encouraging to me as I have a magnificent + 3 weeks keeper now. Maybe by mid next season I'll have some money in the bank!! He's about to turn 19 and is from Finland... I wonder if he'd be a U20 candidate. Anyone know how you could adevertise them to the coaches besides HT-mail?
well that's encouraging to me as I have a magnificent + 3 weeks keeper now. Maybe by mid next season I'll have some money in the bank!! He's about to turn 19 and is from Finland... I wonder if he'd be a U20 candidate. Anyone know how you could adevertise them to the coaches besides HT-mail?
I would go to the finnland u20 team page it will say how to birng your player under tehir attention. But mostly the scouts find you.
Check out what keeper they are currently playing and if it is same as yours, might HT-mail the national team coach. If their keeper is better, just forget about it. Also, they look not only on TSI but on age as well and younger is not always better.
I am shocked to see how expensive a SN keeper is... And I thought that my 6,5 M was a lot of money...
Well, there is that sudden jump with keepers indeed. But you can buy two titanic midfielders for this money. ;)
Decided to quit hattrick a few weeks ago. Last week I changed my mind. Instead of quiting I will spend very little time on it.
Before I decided to quit I had a team with an average rating of 350 and 6 M on the bank. I trained general and the average age of the team was 30+. I could continue like this for at least 3 seasons, requiring great cup runs and 2 promotions in those 3 seasons. Absolutely possible, but RL told me not to invest so much in the game.
I sold almost all my players in the 2nd week of the season. In the end I got more from the players than I had to pay for them 2 seasons ago (and they all aged of course. Truly a great bonus). I had 35 M in the bank after the sales.
From a part of that money I bought 10 great defender youngsters. An additional source of cash for the future.
Meranwhile I will lay low for a while. Probably returning in 3 seasons time.
Shabbaman
07-10-2009, 15:02
Good that you changed your mind.
I almost forgot, but I will be on a holiday for two weeks (Oct 25th to Nov 7th). Could someone please babysit my team during that period? I probably won't have internet access, that's why.
If you send me some details i'll try and remember to. my birthday over the period but i'll be logging in at some points at least!
Thanks! I will send you a PM tomorrow.
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