View Full Version : CDZ Cup 9th Edition Discussions Thread
For any remarks, ideas and suggestions regarding the 9th edition of the CDZ Cup, this is the place to do so.
Swiss systems, KO stages, double league rounds... feel free to try and suggest anything new and be prepared to have your ideas flamed and shot down...ehh, I mean to have them discussed in a serious manner. ;)
barbu1977
03-05-2006, 16:43
EDIT: oups, wrong thread
Kingreno
03-05-2006, 17:37
Last years finalists should have a very highly protected status, allowing them WO's the first 8 matches.
I thought we decided that 4th place autopromotes to winning this thing this season
Tubby Rower
03-05-2006, 17:45
are slots going to be filled from the order of signup?
I like the rule "Newbies never have to play an away game" :D
Actually Tubbs if you play some of the big boys you will not lose money from it as they bring in big crowds
Tubby Rower
03-05-2006, 18:01
I was joking... I know that with my luck I'll draw 9 away games to central Europe.
btw, Mistfit are you going to post in the sign up thread?
I am al for big groups single match against every group member. Swiss-system is also OK, but I think that takes some work every week to figure out who has to play who. If we choose this system I volunteer to be "back up figure outer"
If we use groups, is it possible to make groups which are more competative? Last season I only played against teams which plays 4 or more divisions higher then mine.. :-(
quote:Originally posted by arne1
I am al for big groups single match against every group member. ...
That is a very good idea imho. But it all might depend on the actual number of participants and how they can be split into groups.
bed_head7
03-05-2006, 23:44
quote:Originally posted by tofra
If we use groups, is it possible to make groups which are more competative? Last season I only played against teams which plays 4 or more divisions higher then mine.. :-(
I am in the bottom division of the US though, so it is not as though I was really that far out of your league.
well with me and tubby theres some new crapness added to the cup this year! :D
Shabbaman
04-05-2006, 08:36
I don't like playing 2 rounds v.s. each team in your group, like previous editions. I'd rather see larger groups and play every team once.
I agree with you Shabbaman!
Tubby Rower
15-05-2006, 21:25
when does it start? How many are left in their cup?
starts after the 7th league game if i remember rightly, im out of mine now...
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
when does it start? How many are left in their cup?
Most will be out of the cup by the time the cup starts.
I'd have a little request for this season's CDZ Cup edition, to play my CDZ cup games home, when my league game is home and away, when my league game is away. This is because I'd like to do some tests with the midfield and I don't want the home ground bonus to interfere with my tests.
Hopefully my CDZ Cup results would not be materiially influenced by this.
thanks.
For the sake of hattrick science ;), I think an exception might be made for Chimica in this case. If you could post a reminder and the weeks you have your home games when the time of the draw comes near, this can be fixed, if nobody objects.
Kingreno
17-05-2006, 17:57
I think everyone has his price. :D
Melifluous
17-05-2006, 19:18
Kicked outta the cup last night
Let's get it on!
[meli]
quote:Originally posted by Kingreno
I think everyone has his price. :D
And mostly it is surprisingly low.
ehh i still have one week to go
then i am all game
English_brit
22-05-2006, 10:05
I got kicked out of the Cup in Round 4. Early as usual. I can't remember the last time I had a home game in the Cup, sigh ..... lol.
barbu1977
30-05-2006, 18:23
Do we schedule friendlies next week?
When will the cup start?
Tubby Rower
30-05-2006, 18:32
Have the tables been set up yet? Did we ever decide on which type of grouping?
socralynnek
30-05-2006, 18:48
I guess we can now start discussing that, as we can now know how many teams there are.
So, if we are 32, then I'd vote for:
-1st group stage with 8 groups of 4, 3 matches, first two advance to upper half, other two advance to lower half
- upper half: 4 groups of 4
first two of each group go to the finals, bottom two to 9-16
lower half the same
- 3 KO rounds
Tubby Rower
30-05-2006, 18:57
wouldn't it be 4 KO rounds if you include the final?
socralynnek
30-05-2006, 19:02
No, you only need 3 KO rounds for determining the position for 8 teams (quarterfinal, semifinal, final)
Tubby Rower
30-05-2006, 19:12
8 groups of 4 with the top 2 going to finals = 16... or am I missing something?
socralynnek
30-05-2006, 19:14
yes, you are missing the second group stage...
i proposed grouping those 16 into 4 groups of 4 and there top 2 going to the finals.
Tubby Rower
30-05-2006, 19:36
aaaah... so first grouping => 3 matches
2nd grouping (top & bottom) => 3 matches
3 KO rounds
Is that right?
The cup starts in week 7, so next week will be the last non-cup friendly taking place. The draw of the cup will be held next week, wednesday evening or thursday morning latest.
While it is a good possibility there will be last minute entries (that has happened before), with 32 teams a 4x8 group system with a 2 round KO stages following up on that would also be a possibility, lots of diversity in playing a different side each week guaranteed, no problems with facing the same team twice. Only negative side would be that qualifying for the final would be very tough (only group winners would proceed to the semis), but then again, to win this acclaimed cup, you do need to have a very good team after all, and this system would make sure a good team makes it to the final, I suppose.
That said, I think socralynnek's idea works at least as well, however, speaking om a personal note, it would require more planning and organizing of group draws and making up fixture schedules... and I fear I will be somewhat short of time in june-july (uncluding a holiday abroad) so if anyone could take over on occassion for organizing stuff later in the cup, that would be most helpful to keep things running smoothly. :)
socralynnek
30-05-2006, 19:50
You are right. tubby!
Melifluous
31-05-2006, 00:18
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
and I fear I will be somewhat short of time in june-july (uncluding a holiday abroad) so if anyone could take over on occassion for organizing stuff later in the cup, that would be most helpful to keep things running smoothly. :)
Part time admin and full time HT fan-atic reportin' for duty sah!
[meli]
quote:Originally posted by Melifluous
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
and I fear I will be somewhat short of time in june-july (uncluding a holiday abroad) so if anyone could take over on occassion for organizing stuff later in the cup, that would be most helpful to keep things running smoothly. :)
Part time admin and full time HT fan-atic reportin' for duty sah!
[meli]
In case of real need I can back you.
so i do book a friendly for next week then?
Shabbaman
31-05-2006, 07:37
9 matches, one of which between seasons, so my guess is that we start in week seven.
I would actually prefer 4 groups of 8.
Shabbaman
31-05-2006, 20:16
That's possible, but then we need to start a week earlier.
socralynnek
31-05-2006, 20:25
Or only make 2 KO-rounds (which I don't prefer)
Tubby Rower
31-05-2006, 20:27
or go into the 2nd week of the off-season
socralynnek
31-05-2006, 20:28
The last match is in the second week of off season if we play 9 matches.
In the week afterwards, the national cup already starts. So we don't have space for 10 matches.
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
Or only make 2 KO-rounds (which I don't prefer)
Indeed, only 2 rounds would be necesarry.
If we do the 8 * 4 there is no sure way to avoid playing a team twice. If we decide to go that way I would prefer teams are placed in there second group instead of drawn. So all top groups have two number two's and two group winners and nonr of them played each other in the first group stage. for the knock out phase I ould suggest the same then and let all the group winners of the second group phase play a number two in the first KO round.
hope I am still making some sense
And for once I do not want to play my last match for 15th place as in my three previous entries.:D
So do i organise a friendly for next week or not?
Shabbaman
04-06-2006, 17:16
For the coming round of friendlies you mean? Most definately! You can expect a timely announcement on when we're going to start (i.e. a week in advance).
So, now we're talking about it, when are we going to start?
I think this has been made clear in quite some post now... the cup starts in week 7 of the league. The draw for the groups is in 3 days.
Shabbaman
04-06-2006, 17:44
Week 7, as usual. Thanks Kemal.
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
I think this has been made clear in quite some post now... the cup starts in week 7 of the league. The draw for the groups is in 3 days.
yes however there was talk of a different format so therefore i didnt know if the tournament would start earlier.
I will be away from Saturday June 10th until Sunday June 18th. I have no access to the internet during those days. This doesn't mess up things does it? I assume that I can still challenge someone or accept a challenge before and after my holiday?
You can indeed, so that would not be a problem. :)
socralynnek
07-06-2006, 10:06
Yes, aggie that is possible. The second match however has to be scheduled on 19th.
Proposal (for two group stages):
Draw the 32 teams in 8 groups (QA-QH) assigning each team a letter from a-d
Then the schedule for the first stage would be:
1.match : a-b and c-d
2.match: d-a and b-c
3.match: a-c and b-d (I propose on neutral ground)
Then 1 of group QA (read: QA1) goes to group A of second stage etc. (where groups A-D are the upper half an W-Z the lower half)
Who makes the draw?
I can make the draw tonight, and your proposal seems fine with me except that we might consider playing all friendlies on neutral terrain, to even the odds. After all a home game vs Chimica ;) doesn't count as much as a home game to Suca, so to even the odds neutral terrain for all matches might help. Otherwise, we could use random on that too, of course, it's not majorly important after all.
Any additional opinions on that from the participants?
Shabbaman
07-06-2006, 10:27
Random match locations, sound like a bad idea. At least don't make the home team pay for plane tickets.
Tubby Rower
07-06-2006, 12:48
I really don't care. I'm fine with blowing 6k to travel. I just lost an away international friendly where I actually got ~ 3k out of it :D
Melifluous
07-06-2006, 13:00
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
Random match locations, sound like a bad idea. At least don't make the home team pay for plane tickets.
Random, punctuation seems, like a, bad, idea.
[meli]
STFU
So, the draw has been made. I must say I'm content with my group as it gives me the opportunity to see/play some fresh faces in hattrick, playing BCLG and Aggie which are both newcomers, and having played Swingue only once iirc.
Group C seems toughest to me on first glance, hopefully I can escape KR's wrath when he learns about the group I've drawn him into... ;)
Anyone have Team ID for FC Saarbrücken?
I could not find em
Tubby Rower
07-06-2006, 20:27
1.FC Saarbrücken (52832)
Tubby Rower
07-06-2006, 21:30
I found it by searching for his user name instead of the team's name
There's another team out there with a similar name to the English_brit's team The Blue Boys FC. "blue boys FC" is another team, so I'd suggest searching for the user name found in the sign up thread instead of the name of the soccer [:p] team.
I know I can always get an answer from the local resident geek [tubby]
someone had to say it....
but my group looks like fun :)
Group is great, lets see if they are good target practise
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
Random match locations, sound like a bad idea. At least don't make the home team pay for plane tickets.
I completely agree with shabba. It's just a waiste of our hard earned money.
So where are we meant to be arranging the matches?
Shabbaman
08-06-2006, 11:44
You're welcome at my place ;) I propose we play at a neutral ground in the country of the home team.
Tubby Rower
08-06-2006, 12:36
I've already challenged the English brit and can't renig on it until this afternoon at least. So if something other than having him come to my stadium was supposed to be done then can some one pm him and let him know not to accept the challenge. I can't get onto HT from work and I haven't seen him here too often.
How do I arrange a match on neutral terrain?
Sigh, now I'm getting confused... if you in the end agree that playing all neutral match venues is a bad idea and therefore write down that only the 3rd match will be played on neutral ground, everyone starts arranging friendlies in other people's stadium all of a sudden. [crazyeye]
From the draw and fixtures thread: quote:So, there we go, 8 groups of 4 teams, playing each other once with the 3rd game at this stage taking place on neutral ground.
No need to arrange neutral friendlies just yet, or so I thought it was the overall opinion of participating teams, unless we want to deviate from this again? Even playing the 3rd match neutral is still open to debate as far as I'm concerned...
I don't think there is a great advantage to doing neutral sites as it seems like a waste of money to me. I will follow what you guys decide though
also ive got no idea how to set up a neutral game :) lets just stick with the norm
Tubby Rower
08-06-2006, 16:43
I'd volunteer to be away in my 3rd game.
quote:Originally posted by Mistfit
I don't think there is a great advantage to doing neutral sites as it seems like a waste of money to me. I will follow what you guys decide though
May be I am overstating it now, but I agree with Mistfit here.
Shabbaman
10-06-2006, 20:37
Hm, I hope Schip logs in to accept my challenge... How are the other matches, any difficulties? I know that Suca can't trash the Pyknites, because the latter already had accepted another challenge. I guess that the ensuing 5-0 walkover is better for his G.D. than if he'd have played the match.
BTW, a quick guide for the n00bs who don't know how to play a match on neutral ground: if you challenge someone, you can choose if you want to play home or away. Now, if you study that pull down menu very, very closely, you might notice that you could also choose to play the match "somewhere else". So, do so. Then, if you go to the challenges screen, you can enter the ID from the stadium in which you want to choose (for example, my stadium ID is 144548), and you're done.
Swingue still has to accept my challenge as well. As a reminder, people are allowed to arrange different friendlies starting on monday without facing any penalty in the cup.
Shabbaman
11-06-2006, 13:59
So is there no one physically close enough to Schip to kick him in the ribs?
Maybe if they both don't accept by tomorrow, we can play each other shabba?
Shabbaman
11-06-2006, 19:24
Splendid idea Kemal!
Black Marlins have not accepted yet. But I can wait till tomorrow apparently.
Swingstars have accepted, so no Snaken-shabba friendly this time. :)
Shabbaman
11-06-2006, 21:05
Meh.
My challenge to Black Marlins remains unanswered, so I'm looking for another friendly atm.
Kingreno
12-06-2006, 20:40
Shabba. It was all in time, good to see that. :)
Akots, that sucks man...hope you can arrange one...this has to stop soon. We cannot tolerate players not accepting a friendly.
May I suggest that next time we put the starting date in the "CDZ Cup 9th Edition Draw and Fixtures " thread? Cause, honestly, I didn't had a clue when it would start. I just play against Holly almost every week anyway, so that's lucky.
Good luck to everyone!!! [charge]
Shabbaman
13-06-2006, 09:11
quote:Originally posted by Kingreno
Shabba. It was all in time, good to see that. :)
Indeed. He had me wonder though, I saw he logged in sunday, but he didn't accept the challenge. So monday morning I challenged every mongolian team and their mothers, but when I'd done that, Schip accepted the challenge at 7.10 in the morning. Heh. Anyway, happy with that.
BTW, since the cup always begins in week 7, let's just make it a given that the cup starts in week 7. Not as if it wasn't mentioned enough times in the thread, but now you know for the 10th edition that it'll start in week 6. Errr, I mean 7.
Kingreno
13-06-2006, 09:42
All it takes is a small visit to the tables and fictures thread. If that is too much to ask for some participants, they should IMVHO not compete in this cup.
It looks like Black Marlins is on holiday or something, they suddenly haven't logged in for 10 days...
It's always a pity to see this happening but the first week is notorious for WOs despite all the effort being made to get people aware on when the cup starts. It might be a good idea to pull the moment when registering your team for participation is still possible back in time a bit, as to make sure the draw can be held a week before the actual cup starts. As a good chunk of teams playing aren't very closely tied to CDZ, it might give them more time to find out who they'll be playing when.
Any more WO to be reported so far, besides the 2 already mentioned?
socralynnek
13-06-2006, 09:49
Or we could assign each losely-to-CDZ-tied player one of the more active ones that keep them up to date and remind of the cup every week before the cup starts s.t. they don't forget that they are in. For example, I reminded my two German friends of the cup.
I tried to send everyone playing in the cup that I knew other people hadn't sent a reminder a message via HT, but doing it as you suggest and did (thanks for that) is probably much more effective. Fortunately, we do have quite some teams being connected in some way outside cdz too (for example the Eindhoven connection, or at CFC) so that might help too.
edit: btw, if we only have 2 WOs this first round I think the level of dedication to the cup is actually quite high, considering that we are playing with so many teams, some of which are first-timers. :)
Kingreno
13-06-2006, 10:31
Hmm. Unless someone is visiting Antarctica...there is almost always internetaccess at every location. It tkes what? 15 secs to accept the friendly? So save true emergencies there is no valid reason to simply not accept a friendly.
In general I agree with you KR, but I think that it also depends on how hardcore a hattrick-player you are. I can imagine that people go on vacation and don't want to be bothered looking up an internet connection to accept a friendly on hattrick, especially if they are on holiday with other people who don't care about hattrick at all.
If you can point out in advance when you'll be having problems arranging a friendly, there isn't that much harm done even if it result in a WO, imo. Unless it starts happening frequently, of course. But teams that give away frequent WOs usually don't play any other edition of the cup anymore, as history shows us.
Kingreno
13-06-2006, 11:03
My problem is that by Monday evening when I come home there may not be time to arrange a friendly, either due to lack of time myself or by bad luck. Bottom line is that when one does not care too much the least he can do is tell when he will be able or not able to click that "accept challenge" button.
We're in total agreement on that kr.
Shabbaman
13-06-2006, 12:30
If we garee now that we'll start in week 7 next season we can put that in the invitation and in the sign up thread, that'll make things better a little bit.
Also, I think we could push back the deadline to sunday. If someone has an occasional problem (like aggie, who mentioned he was on holiday), the teams involved could arrange an alternative deadline together.
But that has been announced in the current sign-up thread as well since the day it was opened!
Also, has anyone ever missed training due to a WO? There have been quite a few teams accepting challenges on sunday so pushing the deadline back might result in even more (unnecessary) WOs...
think me and aggie got sorted a few days ago, long before Sunday
Thankfully that will be the case for most teams indeed, but my comment was pretty much regarding the games me and shabba arranged with Schip and Swingue respectively. But that all turned out well in the end too, no problems there. :)
Shabbaman
13-06-2006, 14:24
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
But that has been announced in the current sign-up thread as well since the day it was opened!
You really think I'm reading all that crap? ;) But I see you're right, that makes it even worse...
quote:Originally posted by Kingreno
All it takes is a small visit to the tables and fictures thread. If that is too much to ask for some participants, they should IMVHO not compete in this cup.
Hi KR, that's exactly my point. It's not mentioned in this thread, or i'm blind. Putting in a date, like first game = 14th of June, will make it idiot proof enough, even for people like me. I just mention it as a friendly suggestion.
Kingreno
13-06-2006, 20:38
hmm.. I am sure I 've read it in several posts, but you may be technichly right. Let's see...hmm...let's blame the organisation then! :D
No worries, they are getting used to that... ;)
do we post our results here when the match has finished?
Kingreno
13-06-2006, 21:51
No way! let the admins find them for themselves on Hattrick!
Thanks KR for helping out...
@BCLG: sure, feel free to post any scores or comments on games here, it is not mandatory though as "the management" (me) will look them up and create the weekly league table.
Shabbaman
13-06-2006, 21:58
quote:Originally posted by Kingreno
hmm.. I am sure I 've read it in several posts, but you may be technichly right. Let's see...hmm...let's blame the organisation then! :D
Technically, no one ever mentioned that with week 7 we meant THIS WEEK. Other than that, technically it's mentioned on about every page in this thread. Technically, I've spotted it on the first on the previous page, I didn't wade through all the other pages of spam. Technically, though, this is a discussion thread, and like the esteemded Kemal pointed out, technically it's mentioned in the start post of the sign up thread.
Just, you know, if you missed it, then, well, technically, you're probably blind.
;)
awww the match is going screwy so far, me and aggie have had a player injured and mine is a trainee-not sure if his is as well. its 1-1 at halftime
Darth Pugwash
13-06-2006, 22:23
Argh, my trainees are dropping like flies at the moment...one injured last week (5 weeks!!) and another just now in the cdz game!
Hopefully my A-teamers will stay out of trouble...[punch]
Close match between me and Katanga Resistance so far, 2-2 at half time and currently 4-3...
Well i think im gonna end up challenging for last place in this CDZ cup, 2-1 down now :(
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
Well i think im gonna end up challenging for last place in this CDZ cup, 2-1 down now :(
Welcome to the club, for the first season my freindly team is a lot worse than my A-team. Mostly my midfiled sucks since they lack stamina and have not been trained much. So chances are I will be playing with the bottomdwellers as well.
erm well my friendly team is about as bad as my A-team :D
I will be much worse this season as last year I had some easy matchesin league last season so I was able to play my 'A' squad in friendlies some of the time... this year I am struggling for every point in league so it will be all 'b' suad this cup season
Tubby Rower
14-06-2006, 02:51
What's a B team. [lol] I have just enough players to field a team. There is no radioactive B team
Melifluous
14-06-2006, 03:23
A b-team is what you field if you remember to reset your team.
Still no injuries and I win 2-0.
Pretty disappointed seeing as it was 43 stars vs 25 [:p]
Still a win is a win is a win.
[cheerl]
[meli]
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
What's a B team. [lol] I have just enough players to field a team. There is no radioactive B team
Are you not training?
Shabbaman
14-06-2006, 12:52
Tubby's training goalies.
Still surely at least one B team player then
Shabbaman
14-06-2006, 19:10
Ha, I'm owning Schip. That's what you get for accepting a challenge that late. Let that be a lesson to all of you ;)
Tables are updated as of now (american/canadian matches still to be played), biggest win so far is for newcomers Sibultsikud, who trash fellow newcomers Eendracht Coppenaxfort 0-7! A team to be reckoned with, I suppose.
Snaken won 5-1 vs Swingstars, but I got a nasty injury on one of my best trainees. :(
Only 2 weeks, hopefully he'll be +1 when training occurs...
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
Well i think im gonna end up challenging for last place in this CDZ cup, 2-1 down now :(
I lost my 2nd best defender for 4 weeks, after losing the best on Sunday for 3 weeks [aargh]
Won the game 2-1, but at what cost? [cry]
socralynnek
15-06-2006, 11:58
Lost a striker at +4 (was bad in shape anyway) and lost a half trainee (WTM) at +1 so I get at least half an extra training...
Looks like a lot of injuries happened thsi week.
hope that next week will be less injuries
heh... got my ass handed to me in a basket in this one...
Not a single one of my players was mentioned in the match report til the very end where it says who had good and bad days [:p]
Unfortunately, my Tony Broertjes is at 2.38 injury weeks still, so no training there. [sulk]
socralynnek
15-06-2006, 17:23
Sadly, Coppenaxfort has already arranged another friendly.
I tell altkaese to arrange another friendly...
Some bad news and some good news on the cup, starting with the bad news:
After some correspondence via HT-mail the past few days between me and the manager it has become clear that Eendracht Coppenaxfort had no interest to continue playing friendlies for the CDZ Cup anymore, apparently on the basis of deeming his team to weak for the competition. From the actions taken by the manager, who has also left the CPF, it became clear to me that this decision could not be u-turned, so from this moment on Eendracht Coppenaxfort has been dropped from the CDZ Cup. [sad]
But, there's good news too: after contacting bed_head from the team "The Dented Slides", he agreed to join in and fill the spot opened by Eendracht's departure, meaning that we will be spared a broken fixtures program and 6 WOs for the rest of the competition. The tables and fixture lists will be updated accordingly. Much of thanks to bed_head for joining the competition at such a short notice! [goodjob]
(On a related note: altkaese will still be awarded the 5-0 WO win this week, since I had already given him green light to arrange another friendly, plus The Dented Slides also had arranged a friendly for this week already, before having joined the cup).
Tubby Rower
15-06-2006, 23:48
I started some counter-attacks during my match with the Blue Boys FC but like Mistfit I was holding buttocks at the end of the match... I did get an injury that never showed up on a 31 yo... he must have been diving ;)
barbu1977
16-06-2006, 01:18
@kemal: It's a good thing you started by the bad news, because the other way around would have not made any sense ;)
By the way thanks again for making this cup run so well [thumbsup]
EDIT: BTW, could you give PP and I a point for our draw.
Done, thanks for the reminder.
Black MArlins did not accept my challenge. I have arrangd for another friendly. [???]
It's pretty weird, Black Marlins hasn't logged in since 3rd of june all of a sudden, nor has appeared at CDZ to explain. It looks like we might have permanently lost a team here... [sad]
Tubby Rower
21-06-2006, 18:09
I'm currently tied 1-1 with Pyknites in the middle of the 1st half. Although I've failed to convert 2 other chances (1 CA even though I'm not playing CA)
EDIT:::It looks like one of my guys injured (bandaid) a Pyknite... I got a red card though. So I hope 10 men can hold him off.
EDIT:::EDIT::: well I guess not. After a formation experience drop to weak and a stamina event, I'm down 3-1 now :(
Aggie is holding me 1-1 atm as well, 2 injuries already though, one on each side.
Oi-oi, I've won somehow. [dance]
But again, the replacement forward of mine is injured for 2 weeks. I really have a lot of injuries these days. Hopefully this streak will pass and everything will come back to normal.
Shabbaman
21-06-2006, 19:30
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
I'm currently tied 1-1 with Pyknites in the middle of the 1st half. Although I've failed to convert 2 other chances (1 CA even though I'm not playing CA)
EDIT:::It looks like one of my guys injured (bandaid) a Pyknite... I got a red card though. So I hope 10 men can hold him off.
EDIT:::EDIT::: well I guess not. After a formation experience drop to weak and a stamina event, I'm down 3-1 now :(
http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/ia/pyknite.jpg
Never cross a pyknite, if you value your scalp [hammer]
Tubby Rower
21-06-2006, 19:40
I'll be leaving on Saturday (6/24) morning for a week of vacation. Hopefully FC Susa will accept a friendly before then so I can field a team.
Also I'll be gone until Saturday (7/1). So my round 4 opponent should be warned that I won't be able to accept the friendly until Saturday night at least.
Kingreno
21-06-2006, 19:40
won 4-1, and...uhm...Pugwash suffered 3 injurries combining 8 weeks total...[medic]
Lost 1-3 to indy and now have no chance to reach the top halve. May be I will be able to win a match against another bottomdweller.
Darth Pugwash
21-06-2006, 20:44
Yup...three injuries for me[medic]
Backup keeper +3
Backup defender +2
Trainee +3 [cry]
Fortunatley all my A-teamers survived the onslaught (;P), they will be needed for this weeks league game.
quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
I'll be leaving on Saturday (6/24) morning for a week of vacation. Hopefully FC Susa will accept a friendly before then so I can field a team.
No worries, chalange me tomorrow and I'll accept it right away.
I'm back in business with two wins in two matches. I'm curious to see if I can manage a third victory.
socralynnek
22-06-2006, 11:00
Tubby, just so you know, if you challenge someone and you know he'll accept later, but you want to field the team today, you can set your lineup for the next league matches in advance and the lineup for the firendly will be your default lineup, so you can just save your default lineup like you want to play the friendly.
Tubby Rower
22-06-2006, 12:09
Thanks ynnek. And ciuly thanks for responding so promptly. We have the friendly now set up. and my team lineup has been set.
Now off to pack for the beach :D
Kemal won 1-2 in a strangely close battle. I expected a 0-5 loss... My injured player is out for 5 weeks, but that's no big deal, since he won't even sit on the bench in the league games.
I lost, 5-1 :D im more happy because i scored [:D}
How do I arrange a match on neutral terrain? And what should I consider when doing that?
further to aggies question, where do we arrange the neutral match at?
Arranging on a neutral venue: When challenging a team, instead of choosing home/away, pick other in the list of options. When issuing the challenge you will be asked to enter a stadium-id to set where the match will take place. This ID can be found by clicking on the stadium name of any team in their team overview page, ans is seen between brackets after the stadium name.
Using this code, the challenge will be issued with the game taking place at the selected stadium, with no team having the home advantage.
Btw, I already challenged you BCLG for a game in Meli's arena, so that there will be no travel costs on your side. :)
Thanks! So I could use your arena for my game vs Swingue, Kemal?
socralynnek
23-06-2006, 18:53
Kemal, we could do the draw of the next stage already beofre the last matches take place (using placeholders like A1,A2 etc.) s.t. the fixtures can be done faster and one could lookup his opponent already before the last matches in USA were done.
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
Kemal, we could do the draw of the next stage already beofre the last matches take place (using placeholders like A1,A2 etc.) s.t. the fixtures can be done faster and one could lookup his opponent already before the last matches in USA were done.
Excelent plan.
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
Kemal, we could do the draw of the next stage already beofre the last matches take place (using placeholders like A1,A2 etc.) s.t. the fixtures can be done faster and one could lookup his opponent already before the last matches in USA were done.
Excelent plan.
I'm a bit limited in time to do a draw this weekend, but feel free to go ahead and make a draw in advance, that's fine with me. Though I don't really understand why you would want to know your opponent(s) more than 7 days ahead of the actual game... unless you guys are even more die-hard CDZ Cup players than I thought! [yeah][goodjob]
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
Arranging on a neutral venue: When challenging a team, instead of choosing home/away, pick other in the list of options. When issuing the challenge you will be asked to enter a stadium-id to set where the match will take place. This ID can be found by clicking on the stadium name of any team in their team overview page, ans is seen between brackets after the stadium name.
Using this code, the challenge will be issued with the game taking place at the selected stadium, with no team having the home advantage.
Btw, I already challenged you BCLG for a game in Meli's arena, so that there will be no travel costs on your side. :)
i accepted looking forward to another pounding :)
And i wasnt dissapointed :) well played Kemal, my teams only action was one fella diving and then getting booked for it :)
I won, I won, I won. [dance]
@Energy: Sorry for the injury, it was not bad, only one week.
My team is amazingly bad this year. The first team isn't great either which worries me.
"Pugwash FC 2 - 4 Wartham United"
The score is the wrong way round in the results thread. Should be 4-2 to Pugwash.
Thanks for noticing, it appears the HT-fixture was Wartham - Pugwash hence the mixup. :)
The draw for the 2nd stage group matches has been made, see the appropriate thread for tables and fixtures. I'm sorry that we have a few duplicate matches with teams from the same group entering the same group again (for example me and Swingue), but fixing that would have taken away a large chunk of randomness from the draw. All in all, I don't think we'll have too many duplicate matches (and it can't be more than 1 match per team anyway in this 2nd group stage) so I hope you're ok with that.
Since some 1st round groups haven't been decided yet with matches being played until 3 AM CET tonight, some teams in stage 2 tables have been denomenated using "B2" or "E2" etc, meaning the team finishing 2nd in group B or E respectively. The tables will be updated for this tomorrow.
socralynnek
29-06-2006, 00:59
Funny, I play yndy already again next week, even at his place...
very bad...
That's called destiny.. :-) I've the same..
And I also won last game with 0-8! :-) Now i'm record owner of the highest win in the 9th CDZ cup! :-)
I have challenged Black Marlins, but I hope I'm not risking the fact that I won't play a game on Wednesday..
I think you should be prepared to arrange another friendly. BM's login history and sudden disappearance suggests that the chances he'll accept are minimal. As far as I'm concerned, you can arrange a new friendly right now already. :)
Kemal, I guess that the first two matches are home/away games, and the 3rd in another stadium?
Please remind how second stage is played. I mean normal or cup rules and at home or on neutral ground. [confused]
It's the same as in stage 1 yes, so normal for the first 2 and neutral for the third.
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
I think you should be prepared to arrange another friendly. BM's login history and sudden disappearance suggests that the chances he'll accept are minimal. As far as I'm concerned, you can arrange a new friendly right now already. :)
Yes, good idea. I'm going to do that...
Where are the first round results?
Would like to check why my opponent doesn't seem to have played a CDZ team last week.
The stage 1 tables and fixtures thread is unstickied, but all the results are still there, just below the list of sticky threads.
Kingreno
02-07-2006, 20:58
Meeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiii. accept the challenge! :)
ProPain... please do the same
Schip has not accepted the friendly. I can wait for a few more hours but would have to schedule another friendly today later if he does not accept.
@akots once you have given up on Schip check to see if I am still available as pp has not accepted yet
I suppose you guys have already done so, but don't forget to also send these people not accepting friendlies in due time a reminder via HT-mail, that probably works much better than via the CDZ forum...
A shame to see so many unregistered friendlies still. :(
Schip had not accepted yet. [sad]
Crap, I don't know if Schip had actualy accepted but now hattrick is down for maintenance. That still leaves an opportunity of a non-international friendly. [aargh]
Tubby Rower
04-07-2006, 19:36
hattrick is up now for me..
well logged into hattrick to see the aftermath of me being smashed 7-0
I've managed to sneak in between downtimes and scheduled another friendly. Hopefully Schip is Ok.
Shabbaman
05-07-2006, 09:19
I don't know what's up with Schip, he's playing in the cup long enough to know what's expected of him. My guess is that his hattrick interest is declining. Pity.
Kingreno
05-07-2006, 20:45
Damn, Meli kicked out yet another trainnee and my reserve goalie as well... I now have three people in the hospital with Excellent Form. bleh
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
I don't know what's up with Schip, he's playing in the cup long enough to know what's expected of him. My guess is that his hattrick interest is declining. Pity.
havnt been keeping up but has he only missed the one game? may just be because he has something on right now.
Tubby Rower
06-07-2006, 00:26
I got lucky in my 2-1 loss.. first of all I made almost 10k after the 6k for tickets. Also the injury that I got is on the TL list and I expected to have to fire him anyway after his time on the TL expires since he's likely to not get bids.
A note to all participating teams: team Black Marlin has been permanently replaced by Krys Olympic from this moment on.
OT: Snaken kinda lucked out vs Swingstars with a 1-0 win via a corner SE... minutes after Swingue missed a long shot event. Not as spectacular as the last match we played, but I'm happy nonetheless.
Meli challenged in advance. Hopefully this match finally can be played. Also Meli is playing the close competitor for the league and this gives some chance of the B-squad being fielded whereas I can field whatever I can. [evil]
Melifluous
07-07-2006, 17:15
Really?
I dont really like changing my lineup midweek and I have 2 bots in the league that are gaurenteed to go down.
So challenge accepted...
Do you feel lucky? Huh? Well do ya?
[meli]
quote:Originally posted by Melifluous
Really?
I dont really like changing my lineup midweek and I have 2 bots in the league that are gaurenteed to go down.
So challenge accepted...
Do you feel lucky? Huh? Well do ya?
[meli]
Akots do not be impressed by a guy that could not even beat me last season.
Darth Pugwash
08-07-2006, 19:35
Ouch, FC Suca, Blue Boys FC, and the newcomers Sibultsikud...looks like a couple more 7-0 thumpings for me [cry]
erm i tried searching for 'FC Saarbrücken' but couldnt find it :s this is probably just me being a bit retarded but any ideas what i should do?
Darth Pugwash
08-07-2006, 21:14
I can't find it either...
Darth Pugwash
08-07-2006, 21:20
Found it :)
1.FC Saarbrücken (52832)
k cheers darth ill go challenge em now :)
Melifluous
08-07-2006, 21:37
quote:Originally posted by arne1
quote:Originally posted by Melifluous
Really?
I dont really like changing my lineup midweek and I have 2 bots in the league that are gaurenteed to go down.
So challenge accepted...
Do you feel lucky? Huh? Well do ya?
[meli]
Akots do not be impressed by a guy that could not even beat me last season.
[:O}][:O}][:O}]
[meli]
WTF!>?!?!?!?!?!?!
Set a team again and fuck all happened!!! i even have a default back up team grrrrrrrrrr!!!
quote:Originally posted by Melifluous
[:O}][:O}][:O}]
[meli]
Losing 2:1 so far but there is still 10 minutes left.
OK, it is 2:2 already. [evil]
So, draw it is unfortunately.
Drew 3-3. I think i got penalised for having my goalkeeper injured and replaced by a defender.
socralynnek
11-07-2006, 22:54
Do you use an assistant program.
When I have made my lineup, then I leave the lineupscreen and update HattrickBuddy which shows me if my lineup is saved correctly.
lost 5-0 :( just really annoyed now.
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
Do you use an assistant program.
When I have made my lineup, then I leave the lineupscreen and update HattrickBuddy which shows me if my lineup is saved correctly.
Yeah I use HT Ratings but the goalkeeper got injured during the game. I could have set a substitute goalkeeper since he had come back from injury recently but I forgot.
Since HT seems to be pretty messed up atm, I sure hope we won't be losing any training/friendly matches again...[sad]
Everyone did remember to set their line-up in advance I hope (especially for the US-friendlies, I guess)?
Tubby Rower
13-07-2006, 00:34
I did. We still have 25 minutes before our matches normally kick off. I wonder if they'll keep the stagger of the countries or if they'll just run all of the scripts at the same time once things are back up.
I also did set my line-up. So if the matches are played andtraining is still on for tomorrow i am fine.
It seems that getting the match results is not so easy, please post th eresult of your match here, so that we can pick it up. We'll need to find if there are cancelled games as well. I won 3-2 away at Eindhoven's.
To find your match, go to The Club page, and search for the news: A friendly has been arranged. Click on friendly and you see the match. ATM it doesn't appear on the matches page (at least for me).
Edit: OK, not all, just the ones that don't see their match results listed in the results thread.
[lol] First time it were a draw and now I lost. Good thing the lineup was still there. Bad thing my best winger got injured. That is weird.
I won 6-0 vs Tofra with my standard lineup.
bed_head7
15-07-2006, 09:14
I lost 3-1 to ProPain. Strangely, it used my Sunday lineup instead of the lineup I set for the friendly, and I wound up getting the best ratings I have ever had. Oh well.
de burchtheren lost to mistfit marauders 5 - 0.
socralynnek
15-07-2006, 10:38
Won 4-1 vs Shabba, the match appears in my matches list.
Seems we both used standard lineup.
Shabbaman
15-07-2006, 10:56
I won 3-0 the first time. Without injuries. That was a better match for me in every aspect.
I won 4-3 this time. No idea how it was so close since my first team played this time and there was a massive hatstats gap.
Socrates
15-07-2006, 14:24
The Pyknites beat me 5-0, despite playing with 10 men only. :D
And I'm clueless to why I had so few people in my stadium, compared to my league match (income of 400 € or so, compared to almost 20,000 €).
That's because friendlies tend to attract way less spectators than competitive matches. Even two top teams playing each other with large fan bases usually don't get more than 10K revenue from a friendly.
quote:Originally posted by arne1
de burchtheren lost to mistfit marauders 5 - 0.
Mistfit forgot to reset his line-up in time...
Tubby Rower
15-07-2006, 17:28
Update.... my match with holly's eleven was played after all
The Meltdown - Holly's Eleven 1 - 0
I got 28 stars and a 3 week injury.
Shabbaman
15-07-2006, 17:41
quote:Originally posted by Mistfit
quote:Originally posted by arne1
de burchtheren lost to mistfit marauders 5 - 0.
Mistfit forgot to reset his line-up in time...
"forgot"? I set my line up on monday, but those tardheads just used some other lineup instead. If any team managed to let his team play a friendly with the correct line up, than it's owner may consider himself lucky.
Heh, so it turns out that the one day I am forced to play with the standard lineup and thus haven't been able to play the lineup I selected, I immediately break my alltime star record... [lol]
Lost 4-2 vs the barbiers. With a decent line-up, but without a keeper that I bought on Monday (or so I thought, not on the player list anymore...).
It seemed that despite the horror-downtime, only one match was never played in the CDZ Cup, that between Codrutul Doicesti and Swingstars.... would anyone have any info on whether the match has been arranged but was deleted, or was never arranged in the first place?
Swingue only accepted the challenge Tuesday morning, so after the reset, the match was cancelled. I wouln't say it's Swingue's fault, noone coul see that coming. I suggest 0-0 as the fair result.
Agreed yndy, bad luck to both teams for missing out on the match this way, 0-0 it will be in the tables.
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
quote:Originally posted by Mistfit
quote:Originally posted by arne1
de burchtheren lost to mistfit marauders 5 - 0.
Mistfit forgot to reset his line-up in time...
"forgot"? I set my line up on monday, but those tardheads just used some other lineup instead. If any team managed to let his team play a friendly with the correct line up, than it's owner may consider himself lucky.
Luck has nothng to do with it. I always set my line-up friday after training. It is just good planning.
I think you can also do good planning if you set a lineup on monday, but that you can be very unlucky if the site collapses for 4 days and all match orders are declared null and void...
Crashes can happen and everybody knows this. I do not think there is a (game-technical) disadvantage in setting your line-up friday, there however is a clear advantage.
It just requires a login on friday and after the match (check on injuries)
If you're able to arrange/get accepted a friendly match on friday, of course.
But still you have to feel for those putting up a good lineup on monday, seeing the site working until after their match was played in some cases, and then ending up with this mess.
I don't think one can call this bad planning (as opposed to good planning), and I do feel sorry for those that have had this happening, as it strikes me as extremely unfortunate.
Darth Pugwash
16-07-2006, 23:02
Well the game between me and Suca ended up being played twice, first time was a respectable 4-2 loss for me, second time was an 11-0 pounding!
socralynnek
17-07-2006, 00:40
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
I don't think one can call this bad planning (as opposed to good planning), and I do feel sorry for those that have had this happening, as it strikes me as extremely unfortunate.
The thing is: we all did the same "mistake"...
One has to be prepared for downtimes or for things falling on your head and you wake up from the coma a few days after...
The plan would be: Set your lineup for your league matches in advance (you can do it for the whole season) and make the friendly lineup your default lineup.
That way you have the lineup you want in your frineldy even if you are not onlne after your opponent accepts.
I think, I'll switch to that strategy to not let such things like this week (4 week injury for my best striker) happen again...
quote:Originally posted by Kemal
If you're able to arrange/get accepted a friendly match on friday, of course.
But still you have to feel for those putting up a good lineup on monday, seeing the site working until after their match was played in some cases, and then ending up with this mess.
I don't think one can call this bad planning (as opposed to good planning), and I do feel sorry for those that have had this happening, as it strikes me as extremely unfortunate.
I do not think not setting your line up is bad planning. I just stated luck has nothing to do with the reason why I still received training. It was inherent to my planning.
I think it would actually have been better if they (HT's\) just postponed everything in hattrick a week so everybody had time to adjust to this minor mishap. Now some people were disadvantaged were I do not think they deserved it. Starting now I am going to use socralynek setup to cover for an eventual problem.
think wat socralynek states above makes sense.
Shabbaman
17-07-2006, 20:36
quote:Originally posted by arne1
I think it would actually have been better if they (HT's\) just postponed everything in hattrick a week so everybody had time to adjust to this minor mishap.
Quoted for truthery.
i think me and whoever xeres is may have booked a friendly at my ground by accident, what should we do?
Tubby Rower
17-07-2006, 22:37
too late now as you can't un-book friendlies... it should be ok since you'll still likely lose [:p]
you can have lots of matches booked at you arena at the same time. I think the max I've had is 5 matches in one day played at the Mistfit's arena
I heard from Eldakkar (from Xerxes Reitsma) about that, but he was okay with it and it's no big deal I think, maybe you just should field a weaker midfield to compensate... ;)
Btw, as we approach the KO stages of the Cup, it has become apparent that 3 teams are already certain of a place among the best 8, as FC De Snaken, FC Suca and Meli's Manglers are assured a spot in the QFs after only group matches played...
Chimica Tarnaveni - the long time laughing stock of the cdz cup - hits back hard and has very good papers of reaching the last 8 as well, with Sibultsikud and Codrutul looking confident as well, though that can all chance in the last group match of course. The 2 final places for the QFs look to be heavily contended between Chemists, Aristocats, Deep Space Elm and Shabba FC.
And of course as a reminder, all teams do play KO stages, even if it won't be a road leading to the final. Still, teams can still try and improve or set as good a cdz cup record as possible, always looks good on the team sheet of course.. ;)
just dont wanna come last :(
can you apologise to xeres for me, i was in a rush going out and just clicked it because i thought better to have a friendly that none at all and wasnt entirely sure the neutral ground thing.
I also reached the last 8, off course on the wrong side of the draw. So after next week I will only play teams off my level.
Eldakkar
18-07-2006, 01:13
It's no big deal at all as Kemal already said, so apologies accepted. It could be a tight match me thinks. Not having won a single CDZ-cup match yet i'm also a strong contender for last place :D
lol, soooooooooo tempted to MOTS it just so i dont lose!
socralynnek
18-07-2006, 01:54
you can't mots a friendly...
Chimica Tarnaveni is aiming for the Quarterfinals at the very least, I am very much inclined to adapt my training program to the CDZ Cup schedule
Kingreno
19-07-2006, 10:06
I beat the Chemists to claim a QF spot again!
socralynnek
19-07-2006, 10:47
Since Doominik didn't log in after the crash, Dibbelabbes had to arrange another friendly, so give him the 5-0 win.
Dibbelabbes had already contacted me about this and the whole situation was sorted out already on monday.
And yes he will be awarded a 5-0 win.
Snaken were completely obliterated in ratings by Codrutul Doicesti, even if the score was only 0-2. Well done Yanche!
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