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Spoiler for 2vs2 game, not for Matrix, Darkness, i spose Graham can see :)
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Only thing chosen was Great Plains, everything else was random.
Im Monty
matrix is not sure yet
Darkness is Mongol
Graham is Greece
Im Monty, decided should maybe go for the early religion, ive got lots of flat around me, 2 hills with 1 commerce, hammer and food each.
Expanding in 8 turns with the setup as it is but no warrior for 15, is this wise? i can switch it round and get my warrior in 8 but expansion in 22.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/473/startplace9ku.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
and wooooo after only 10 minutes of trying i managed to get pictures to work :D
Heres where Grahams land of plenty will be :)
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1219/grahamsstart4go.png[/URL]
i think Graham may be at the side of the map as his scout cant view everything.
And heres our combined empire :)
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5618/ourcombinedarea5il.jpg
Ok and the games going again now :)
grahamiam
26-04-2006, 05:07
I didn't get the save in the email. Please resend :)
k doke, i did, hope it works now :)
grahamiam
26-04-2006, 20:46
I moved 1T NW so that I could potentially work 12 river tiles. Probably not the best move, but I also got a fur :) and I can see a goodie hut. Will pop it in 2T with the scout.
I started on mining as it seems like securing copper early will be a priority as well. The religon happiness will be nice to get too!
In a couple of turns, we should decide what to research next. Based on what I'm seeing, it should be BW, AGR, or Hunting.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/grahamiam/200642620440_Civ4ScreenShot0015.JPG
hmmm do you think matrix maybe popped a tech, as he has a 7 point lead already.
well just to confirm any tech one of us has the other also has? if so i think we should dual research BW but i dont have any real need for animal husbandary just yet so might go for Pottery so i can get some cottages up because thats about all i can in my city.
maybe i could mine a hill as well.
As soon as we find the other team do we immediatly go to war?
Also seems like you got the corner of the map, it might be worth us creating a ring of 3/4/5 cities around Athens, that way we can concentrate all our units around them cities, allowing a good defense and then can build an attack.
Pastorius
26-04-2006, 22:24
Any thoughts as to why Darkness is laggin behind in score?
Also, is it possible for you with this setup (in theory) to both research the same tech, thereby dropping time needed to research? And if so, is that more efficient than 1 per person?
Just curious.
grahamiam
26-04-2006, 22:40
We can stack research beakers. For instance, if I had selected Meditation, we could have gotten it in 6T rather than 11T. We also share techs, as I had Myst and could research Med.
imho, we can send a harrasing warrior or 2 down to visit Matrix/Darkness when we find them.
I am definitely in the upper right corner of the map, so if I can get towns S and W of my capitol, that would be great. Not sure how upkeep costs works as a teamer, but I guess we'll find out :)
Well i think darkness played his save after us 2 so i think thats why.
hmm well i dont get a warrior for awhile but i could scout them out, while you could maybe scout around our surrounding area?
i imagine they are in the lower left corner of the map.
grahamiam
26-04-2006, 23:23
ok, sounds good. You scout generally towards the SW and I go in a semi-cirle, popping huts and finding city spots
we should also maybe get a couple of workers out as soon as possible connecting us both.
unless that river goes all along.
Gyathaar
27-04-2006, 00:44
My guess for why the other team started with higher scores..:
the starting techs are added together.. if the 2 civs you had shared 1 common starting tech, you only got 3 starting techs.. and I am guessing the other teach had 4 different ones so got slightly higher score due to this (havent checked what starting techs the different civs really have, just guessing)
that would explain things equally as well as my explanation :)
edit-probably better!
grahamiam
28-04-2006, 01:34
popped archery :)
Cool, are we equal in points with the other team now?
grahamiam
28-04-2006, 17:23
I think so (~58)
Good luck guys :)!
I don't think Graham moving his city was really the best idea, though. Those corn tiles will both give five food when irrigated, six once you connect them to a river after Civil Service. As a philosophical civ, having a lot of food around is, well, perfect.
for anyone reading this thread, the save went missing so hopefully it got going again, on the last few turns we met darknesses borders. I attempted to sweep round (under grahamiams advice) to make it look like we have approached from a different direction, ill try and post a screenie sometime soon.
grahamiam
10-05-2006, 18:48
i popped the hut S of you and got maps. It revealed another GH to our S that I'll go for.
k i think i might be at the bottom of the map so am going to head west of darkness's lands and see if Matrix is that way
grahamiam
16-05-2006, 02:51
I popped BW from the hut and selected AH. I am in anarchy now due to changing over to slavery so if you want to research something else, speak up :)
hmmm i might go potttery, AH is of no use to me at all right now other than to see horses and ill have my worker out soon
did you see if any bronze popped up?
grahamiam
16-05-2006, 18:21
I think the bronze was SE of me, along the edge of the map. Actually, it's right in my original cross, which makes my move even more boneheaded [lol]
:D
well theres a fair chance buddhism will spread naturally to you fairly soon pushing your border expansion out to claim it, i found a source of bronze right down south with my scout near a lion however i dont think its going to be any use to us :D
Also do you have any ideas as to why there is still a gap between matrix and darkness in score?
darkness has a scout at the corner of my territory, i dont think that he will have met graham yet,
is it worth considering a warrior rush on one of them?
grahamiam
25-05-2006, 17:17
I think we should at least harrass Darkness, who has shown thru his games with grs that he leans towards the builders side of things.
ok well im sending the save onto you now.
it could be worth both of us getting IW so i can be sending some jags down there to harass him.
grahamiam
30-05-2006, 03:29
we are both done our techs + workers next turn. I will probably build another warrior so I can send one of them to Darkness. What do we want to research?
Erm should we both go IW? that way i can start sending jags down.
grahamiam
30-05-2006, 13:55
ok, lets both go IW :)
Im not sure whether to make my city a commerce city or a GL farm, there are like 2 productive tiles in the whole thing so i think i'll make it commerce. Im already number 1 in that, just with base tiles.
should we go with a settler at size 3? and if so should both of us?
Also matrix's scouts are at either end of my cities radius, looks like he either popped one or built one.
grahamiam
12-06-2006, 03:25
I could go settlers while you jag rush if you want.
ok the only draw back is that my production isnt so high, ive got one mine and 2 forest and i think a couple of plains production, ill build a rax in between my warrior and iron working.
Matrix seems to have got a religion now as well-hinduism.
grahamiam
10-07-2006, 14:13
I'm out of town for a couple of days (Monday & Tuesday)so please play my turns. Just keep sending the warrior S along the forests to Darkness' capitol. Not sure if the scout survived as he ended a turn next to a Lion. If he survives, keep sending him along the SW to find Matrix. Worker can mine the hill, settler can either go S along the river for the copper or W for the iron or maybe further W for the food?
My password is "pinshi".
Well it looks like your borders will grab that iron shortly when they expand from your capital.
We really need to find where matrix is.
grahamiam
14-07-2006, 02:53
proposed sites:
note: horses are S of you so we may want another spot. We should probably decide on a bunch of sites and list thier priority to make this go better.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/grahamiam/200671425227_rockon-2400BC.JPG
ill take a proper look next time im in the game but depends on what type of city we want next. west of me i imagine would be commerce/GP.
How about moving that city west of Athens one tile west to grap them furs?
grahamiam
14-07-2006, 14:48
Since I already have furs (don't we share them?), I was thinking of the production jump from a mined iron plains tile instead.
wont having it there though take too many tiles from the capital?
Im not sure if we share them honestly, ill check ingame next time and see if i have any.
on reflection thats probably the best site, so long as your not worried about the number of tiles your capital could lose.
grahamiam
14-07-2006, 16:28
well, now that we know where matrix is located (far lower left of screen), perhaps it's best to go W for the GP farm... It'll also stretch our borders and give us some nice food resources. Iron can wait for the expansion. Mining that tile will give me a +1f, +5h tile, which is pretty sweet. Perhaps my second settler (to be done @ size 4), will go there.
However, I'd still like a better dotmap so we have some sort of strategy for settling (and we talk about it). With Matrix and Darkness so split up, I do think a jag rush for Darkness will set them back greatly, so settling towards Darkness should also be a priority (and building the road network to get those Jags down there faster).
Yup i agree, ill take some pictures next time i have the save and we can go from there.
One idea i had was that i could just constantly build jags and you cities and say gift every other city to me? Not sure how well it would work.
Im going to build up a stack of 3/4 jags and then send em down.
grahamiam
27-07-2006, 21:27
based on your email question "Wheres your settler heading? he seems to be on my mine right now.", I'd like to expand our city settling conversation a bit. Also, instead of using email to discuss this stuff, let's use this thread so it's all kept together.
quote:well, now that we know where matrix is located (far lower left of screen), perhaps it's best to go W for the GP farm
You didn't post an objection, so I thought it was agreed. If you've changed your mind, let's discuss. I don't want to settle in a bad spot.
Ah right sorry, i think i misread your post the first time. I understand now and yes i agree with the placement, sorry about that.
Do you need an escort for it? i have a newly produced jag that can go with it if need be, as well as a warrior about 6 tiles south of where i think you want to plant the city if you need a garrison?
And yer i sometimes forget we have this thread :D
grahamiam
28-07-2006, 03:19
it would be a good idea to send your warrior with it, at least till mine arrives.
ok sending a warrior along with the settler however its upto you whether you move the settler at one tile per movement :)
Pastorius
29-07-2006, 22:43
Piccies please
not much in the way of pictures has changed since last time.
sure graham will take one when he plants his new city
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9150/citylocationry1.jpg
how's about that for the next city location, if need be i could have the GP city and you take this production city as it seems to be closer to the respective capitals, either way i dont mind though :)
we really need a strong production city as right now i'm not sure if we have one :)
grahamiam
14-09-2006, 04:16
ok, I'll plant it right there. Keep this one for now, chop a rax and pump more jags.
Ok, matrix also left a scout directly south of my capital ~6 tiles away maybe a bit more, so ive sent a jag towards him-as a ruse and sent the others slightly sideways of him.
I'll have a worker over there to chop in a couple of turns.
graham should we build more cities for the time being or just leave it? we have 2 each so am not sure whether it will be worth it, also my jags are becoming useless so it may help if you get that iron hooked up and you switch to military production and i could switch to settler worker production?
grahamiam
02-11-2006, 15:43
I still have to mine and road that iron, so you're stuck in Mil production for a bit. Let's just pressure Darkness so he does something other than settle those horses and get Keshniks spamming. I'd like to get our Greek UU out and about very soon to counter them.
ok, ill just keep making his axes dance about.
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i called this city this for instances such as this :D
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/554/hahalc3.jpg
Tubby Rower
08-11-2006, 20:27
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
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i called this city this for instances such as this :D
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Well update as this hasnt been in awhile, me and graham decided an oracle- machinery slingshot was in order and it came off :D so now graham is going to start pumping out the xbows to beat down all the axes darkness has produced.
ive been at war with him now for about 50 turns or so, not really doing anything just making sure he has to keep building military and not expanding towards the horses or towards me and graham
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3395/civ4screenshot0210vt5.jpg
darkness's capital- http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3327/civ4screenshot0211jg9.jpg
demographics-
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7759/civ4screenshot0212rl1.jpg
tbh i didnt notice we were doing so piss poor demographics wise till i did this update but now graham is building some xbows im going to expand a little and build some infrastructure, we've noticed that darkness and matrix are acting more like allies than like a team so we hope to use this to our advantage.
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