The Meltdown is Active... run for the hills

[Tubby Rower]

The Meltdown is currently playing at Three Mile Island. here is the current roster
quote:

Your 15 players

Anthony Pederson
TSI = 520 , 20 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: disastrous
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor

Carl Hutchison
TSI = 220 , 23 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: poor

Eduardo Palacios
TSI = 1 500 , 23 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: weak

Eric Meyers
TSI = 290 , 18 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid

Francis Hand
TSI = 220 , 30 years, poor form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid

Frank Fontaine
TSI = 290 , 24 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: weak

Garrett Dow
TSI = 620 , 24 years, wretched form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set pieces: passable

Hud Parnell
TSI = 170 , 26 years, poor form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: weak

Isidoro Alvarado
TSI = 620 , 20 years, wretched form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: poor

John Linehan
TSI = 1 200 , 23 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and disastrous leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: disastrous
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: inadequate

Josh Godwin
TSI = 790 , 27 years, poor form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: poor

Matthew Bronson
TSI = 0 , 53 years, poor form
Has formidable experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: wretched
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: poor

<s> Mike Munson
TSI = 60 , 23 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set pieces: disastrous </s>

Norbert Churchill
TSI = 120 , 28 years, wretched form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: poor

Rickey Fleming
TSI = 2 030 , 27 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: inadequate

Rob Riddle
TSI = 460 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set pieces: wretched

<s> Samuel Black
TSI = 0 , 24 years, wretched form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: poor

Scott Simons
TSI = 0 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: disastrous

Yang Vi Hung
TSI = 60 , 27 years, poor form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set pieces: weak
</s>

[bed_head7]

Wow. Very nice starting squad.

[Mistfit]

Tubs is thinking of training PM... I have been trying to talk him out of it for a number of reasons...

1.) he is strongest already at the IM spot
2.) PM ain't what it used to be
3.) keeper training only takes 2 trainees and offers all of the formations to play with

what do you guys think?

[Kemal]

Wow, have your players mutated after the meltdown to obtain these skills, or what? :D

Very nice starting squad, after a few stamina trainings you'll have some great inner mids, so from that point of view I agree with Mistfit here. The real reason though I'd say keeper training is best for starting teams, is because a full set of reasonable trainees for any of the other training types is unaffordable for new teams. You definitely do now want inadequates or passables on training positions these days, or so I think..

[bed_head7]

Agreed. I rather wish I had started off with keeper training at the beginning, because even with advice from CDZ people, I still made a few stupid blunders in setting up my PM training program that has delayed my progress. Keeper training is harder to screw up too badly, and gives you a chance to get a feel for the game.

[Shabbaman]

Or you could do the stamina gambit ;)

No, seriously, keeper training is indeed the easiest. It's really easy to change training when you're done with it as well. But on the long term I agree with the PM training.

[Tubby Rower]

I'll get together with my advisors (in my head) and come up with a preliminary starting squad. I'll post it here when I'm done

[BCLG100]

the HO! thing really helps make sure you've got that :)

[Tubby Rower]

yeah, but I'd like to try it without programs so that I understand what's going on and why ;)

This is what I've come up with

[u]Forward </u>
Frank Fontaine - inadequate Stamina, PM, Winger, & Scoring [Head]
<s>Carl Hutdhison - inadequate PM & Scoring</s>
Josh Godwin - solid passing, passable stamina, inadequate scoring

[u]Midfielders </u>
Ricky Fleming - really good [Head]
<s>Anthony Pederson - solid PM & inadequate passing [Technical]</s>
John Linehan - solid PM, passable stamina, inadequate scoring and set pieces

[u]Wings</u>
Francis Hand - passable winger, inadequate PM, & Solid set pieces [Powerful]
Eric Meyers - inadequate PM, Winger, & passing & Solid set pieces


[u]Defense</u>
Hud Parnell - passable stamina, inadequate passing and defense
Eduardo Palacios - solid defending, passable PM, inadequate passing [Quick]

[u]Wing Back</u>
Garrett Dow - solid passing, inadequate winger & defending, passable set pieces
Rob Riddle - passable defending, inadequate winger [Powerful]

[u]Goal Keep</u>
Isidoro Alvarado - inadequate keeper

EDIT:: changes made per Kemal's suggestions

[BCLG100]

See what you mean, could then open it up and see whether what you think would be best is actually what the computer says is best.

[Kemal]

I suppose that you're stuck to 4-4-2 for the first few matches while you obtain the manager license, forcing you to play with 2 inner mids, but I'd rate John Linehan as a better inner midfielder than Anthony Pederson.

Stamina and playmaking cannot be regarded independantly in terms of evaluating player performance on a position contributing to the midfield. A player that does really bad in either stamina or playmaking is ill-suited for a position as inner midfielder (or later, when you have the manager license, as Winger towards the middle).
Anthony could be a good midfielder if his stamina would reach at least passable, and fortunately it is much easier to increase stamina via training than it is to increase playmaking. However, at wretched, he is simply no use as an inner midfielder, so either train stamina for a few weeks (I'd recommend that) and see him (and all your other players) increase, or try to sell him to a stamina trainer.

To save on wages, it might be a good idea to already start firing players with no economic or sporting value: Yang vi Hung, Scott Simons, Samuel Black and Mike Munson would qualify in that category, I think.

All others seem to be suited for their jobs, except that I'd really play Josh Godwin as a striker instead of either one you have selected now. His passing really sets him out as better compared to the other two.

[Shabbaman]

A Munson!!!

;)

Start training stamina right away, like Kemal says. How much cash do you have available for 2 GK trainees?

[Mistfit]

Should he be purchasing a new coach right off?

[Tubby Rower]

I have about 70k right now. I should be getting some more from the challenges once I book a friendly (already challenged 2 players) and give orders. Another challenge is to bid on a player in the xfer market. All 3 will give me 10k each.

[BCLG100]

You get a lot more than 70k think i got about 180,000k in my first week, this was after palying a match and doing the first 17 things :)

[Mistfit]

Either go place an ad for a friendly (state side) or go spam a bunch of teams with Challenges. No use in missing a training spot or that cash.

[Tubby Rower]

OK, I updated my lineup with Kemal's suggestions. Is there anyone that I should put up for bid or should I keep everyone except the 4 players that will get canned tonight? or should I wait until the stamina increases a bit.

Stamina is training for everyone not just the one's playing correct?

[Shabbaman]

Correct.

[Mistfit]

Stamina trains everyone... even if they are not playing in the match.

I would keep the players with the exception of the dead weight ones for now. You can always sell them once you have found a replacement (you are not going to get a whole lot for them) and stamina training may help some of them as well.

How much starter money did your club have? Not the quiz thing

[barbu1977]

And for stamina training, any coach will do same job.

[Tubby Rower]

starting money = $50k

there are 24 challenges worth either 5k or 10k each so far. It only shows you 5 at a time so that you don't get cornfusaed I guess.

[Tubby Rower]

so my todo list for tonight after work is...

1. fire the dead weight
2. spam challenges to everyone I can find
3. switch training to stamina (for 100%?)
4. bid on a Goal Keep trainee (What level GK to look for?) &lt;- Also a challenge

[Shabbaman]

You can wait with the trainee. You don't need him now because you're not training keepers. If you've got some more cash later on you could buy a better trainee.

[Mistfit]

And don't forget what I said about waiting til the begining of the season... the guy you buy now will age in 10 days or so.

[Tubby Rower]

oh yeah.. I forgot. I'll wait until later on the xfer

[Tubby Rower]

(I've bolded the questions so they stand out better)

OK. I put Munson on the xfer market. They gave me 15k for doing it. I also bid on a real loser that was just put out and apparently someone else was doing the same thing becuase they out-bid me :D. So I got that 15k for free. So far I'm up to challenge 14 (play your second game) and I've got 150k and only had to put out 7k. So in effect I started with 200k with 7k of expenses so far.

I had 2 challenges from Monday but both were declined. So I spammed 10 people with a challenge and was in the process of doing more when someone accepted it. I've set up my orders... I put the stronger players together. Is this advisable? For instance, I put the strongest IM (Ricky) on the left with Francis (strongest winger). I put the strongest defensive back (Eduardo) with Garrett (the best wing back) on the right. One major problem that I saw is that I have no backups for anyone. My coach is my backup goal keep!!! I have the two players that have a strike-through in my line up as backups. So I need backups for wingers, defensive backs, wing backs, and goal keep. I know that I should (and will) wait for the new season, but I thought that I could keep an eye on the xfer market for &lt; 20 year olds for subs/starters. What should I be looking for?

I also downloaded hattrick organizer and checked my lineup vs what it thought that I should have. I apparently have no one that is suited for Wingback according to HO, but everything was exactly as I had set up... Thanks Kemal.

[Shabbaman]

I don't think you need to look for backups now. You need to save your money for your training program. In some time you'll use your current A list players as backup. Buying backups now is a complete waste of money.

Or you could pick up players on the cheap. And with cheap I mean around 1k! Then, if you're looking for players, first take a look what position you want to strenghten. Then use Hattrick Organizer to assess what the skills are you need for a player. For instance, your best forward now is inad scoring and solid passing, poor experience.
Now, if you want a replacement for him you'll notice that a inad scoring/solid passing wretched XP (so, a 20 y.o.) is rubbish. That's because of the experience. If you want to buy replacements on the cheap, you could better look at experienced 30 years old.

But it's probably better to not bother at all.

On a sidenote: play Eric Meyers as a winger with WTM (winger towards middle), Francis Hand as a winger offensive and then Frank Fontaine as a forward towards wing (FTW) on the same wing as Hand. Then you'll have a stronger midfield due to Meyers playing towards middle (his wing capability is not that good to begin with), and a strong wing attack with both Hand and Fontaine at the same wing. Your central attack won't be that much less, because inad winger for a forward (towards wing) is pretty good.

Regarding your other question, putting players with the same attributes together (strong and strong for instance), has no use at all.

[Tubby Rower]

I can't give individual orders until I finish my second game. They are trying to ease people into hattrick instead of givving them everything at once.

So I'm stuck with a standard 4-4-2 for the upcoming game. after that I'll adjust per your recommendations. I plan on challenging BCLG so that we can have a battle of the newbies :D

[Shabbaman]

Looking forward to that clash ;)

[Mistfit]

Things to keep ya busy while you wait for the new season to start:

HatStat USA:
I like this site as it rates what how strong your series is in comparison to the other Div VI series and give you info on the teams you play against (use the search bar to find your series).
Some of the info here is not correct btw... it says that your whole series were bot teams last season... which is not true
http://usa.hatstats.info/division.php?level=6

Alltid Hattrick USA:
A new site for me gives some of the same info and some different info than HATStat
(currently the site is down but book mark it for later)

HT-Dog:
This one will look at the last 5 matches your opponent played and give you an idea if they have any weaknesses. I will use this when doing my line-ups. If he is weak on one side I will put my sronger guys on that side.
http://mikehell.kicks-ass.net/ht-dog/index.jsp

Bottom Division Federation:
If you want a good fed with a nice web site (and decent Mods [:p] ) this is a good one, although, a huge quanity of the guys there now are not in the bottom divisions. You can also sign up for a mentor there to help you.
http://www.mattyk.net/bdf/

[Tubby Rower]

I figured the HT-Dog site would be blocked at work but it's not. It'll connect to HT and all. It looks like I might get killed in my upcoming friendly though unless he plays a B-team.

[BCLG100]

Wont even need to turn any of them on to find my weaknesses, preeeeeetty much everywhere.

[Tubby Rower]

Well My first match ended badly. Stamina caused the game-losing goal. On the bright side, Linehan (Kemal's suggestion) scored our first and only goal while injured. The opposing team only fielded 10 players. And was using a confusing 4-4-1 lineup. Yet they still won 2-1.

You can read more about it in our press announcement. next on the list is a show-down of the two unfeated teams (BCLG100 & me). Who will lose? [lol]

[BCLG100]

Well i have an average of minus 4.5 goals a game and scoring an average of .5, so it'll be an epic showdown :D

[Tubby Rower]

after training, everyone but Norbert Churchill and Rickey Fleming got a bump in stamina... I haven't checked the other stats but I assume that they stay still Anyway here are my new stats


I've also organized them by shirt numbers
1-9 = don't know what to do with them
11-19 = forwards,
21-29 = IM
31-39 = wingers
41-49 = defensive backs
51-59 = wing backsquote:Your 16 players

#1 Norbert Churchill
TSI = 170 , 28 years, poor form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Unpredictable]


Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: poor

#11 Josh Godwin
TSI = 930 , 27 years, weak form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: poor

#12 Frank Fontaine
TSI = 350 , 24 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: weak

#15 Carl Hutchison
TSI = 260 , 23 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: poor

#21 Rickey Fleming
TSI = 2 230 , 27 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Head]


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: inadequate

#22 John Linehan
TSI = 1 240 , 23 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and disastrous leadership abilities


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: disastrous
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: inadequate

#25 Anthony Pederson
TSI = 570 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: disastrous
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor

#31 Francis Hand
TSI = 290 , 30 years, weak form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid

#32 Eric Meyers
TSI = 360 , 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid

#41 Eduardo Palacios
TSI = 1 820 , 23 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities [Quick]


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: weak

#42 Hud Parnell
TSI = 220 , 26 years, weak form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: weak

#51 Garrett Dow
TSI = 860 , 24 years, poor form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set pieces: passable

#52 Rob Riddle
TSI = 560 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set pieces: wretched

#99 Isidoro Alvarado
TSI = 870 , 20 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: poor

Coach Matthew Bronson
TSI = 0 , 53 years, weak form
Has formidable experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: wretched
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: poor

Up for bid (will be sacked after he times out) Mike Munson
TSI = 70 , 23 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set pieces: disastrous


EDIT:: I just d'loaded the info to HO and noticed that 10 of my players increased their form as well. Including John Linehan who injured his achilles tendon during the game.

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower


EDIT:: I just d'loaded the info to HO and noticed that 10 of my players increased their form as well. Including John Linehan who injured his achilles tendon during the game.


Nice eh? HO is great.

[BCLG100]

Tubby dont know whether you've done it on purpose but the first 11 numbers are normally given to the starting 11 people.

e.g. 2-5- first 4 defenders
6-9 midfielders
10-11 forwards

Thought if you've done it the other way on purpose thats cool :)

btw i challenged you.

[Tubby Rower]

I did do it on purpose. that way I can keep track of who is good where. But according to HO, it recommends that Rickey should be a defensive back. So I'm gonna try that with you. With the numbering system that I have, I can have multiple "Forwards" but not necessary use them all. It works for me. But thanks for the info.

I have accepted your challenge.

[BCLG100]

no problem, does numbering actually do anything other than for your own personal ease?

[Mistfit]

I use a similar numbering convention as Tubby. The only difference is that I put my IM's in the top spots just because it is easier to check their stats when they are at the begining of the list.

[Tubby Rower]

Simon, I guess it adds realism too since players usually have numbers in real games

[BCLG100]

Ah ok, was just curious if it they got a confidence boost or something along them lines.

out of interest have any of you played championship manager?

[Darth Pugwash]

Yep, but I stopped playing them afew years back.

I prefer Hattrick, though the CM games are good.

[Tubby Rower]

I'm officially a fully liscensed Hattrick Manager.

FWIW, if anyone knows anyone that is just starting out, you start off with $50k and then get another $250k from the challenges for a total of $300 (high math ;) )

[BCLG100]

The only thing i notice you can do is that you can tell your team the importance of a match before a game but thats about it.

[Dell19]

I've played a lot of Championship manager and a lot of football manager now that it has changed names.

[BCLG100]

Do you have the new football manager?/is it even out yet? and is it any good?

[socralynnek]

Here is my answer from the other thread.

First: Yesterday when I wrote the answer I overvalued Linehan, I had excellent instead of solid in mind, then if you'd sell him, you would have the money for your solid coach without going into debt.

From your figure we can calculate that you'd lose about 18K every week without debt and without home games.
So, if you don't want to lose money, you have to make 36K every home game which is about 5000 spectators which means about 25 times fan club size which I don't think you'll get in the beginning.
But your fan club will steadily grow as you are in division 6.
Sadly, you are not in the cup which would bring a little extra money.

So, when you are 150K in debt and pay extra 7.5K each week, you need 15K more income per home match which I don't think is possible.

A bonus here is that your matches 1,3 and 4 are at home but remember that at the end of the season, it's the other way round.

So, one possibility would be to sell a trained keeper a little earlier. But only sell when he just popped a level.
Another possibility is to lower the debt, maybe by selling players. (it's not about lowering wages which would be a nice side effect, but lowering te interest by the money you earn when selling)

An example: Linehan might sell for 40K (it might be even less): then you'd save 2K interest every week + 0.5K wages, making selling him worth in one season : 40K + 40K =80K.

But the problem hereby is: when you are losing more matches therefore, your entrance income will lower as fans are not happy.

If you want to take that solid coach (and I think you can survive it), then you should do the following:

-Have as little players as possible (one reserve per position might be enough, so maybe 16 +coach)

- Try to get an international friendly at home(!) every week (when I'm out of the cup, I promise I'll visit you and BCLG100)

-Watch your finances carefully and maybe tell here how it is going s.t. we can see when it gets too dangerous

If it works, you will be better off then with taking a passable coach now, but have in mind that when your debt gets bigger, the interest also gets bigger.

[Kemal]

And should you want to take part in the CDZ Cup, be prepared that the luck of the draw could put you into a position where you need to travel to foreign countries from time to time to play matches. However, most of these foreign teams have a great fanbase already so those expenses should be covered I suppose. :)

[akots]

quote:Originally posted by socralynnek
... But the problem hereby is: when you are losing more matches therefore, your entrance income will lower as fans are not happy. ...


That may not be a major concern for the US. You start in VIth and there is nowehere to relegate, so that guarantees some cashflow and at least modest increase in supporters even if performance is horrible. Just 5th or may be even 6th place in the league is enough at least to maintain the income.

What you definitely should is hire at least 3-4 spokesperson, they are really beneficial for the income.

[Tubby Rower]

Ok. I'm getting a little scared about the solid coach now. I was all for it but I'm not so much now. I've figured out that the GK's will pop exactly 1 week earlier for each level for getting a solid coach. So that puts them at popping to excellent on week 11 instead of week 13. That means that I'll have 7 home games to keep me afloat (and only 4 non-home games to deal with) I could shave a turn off of that by training GK this week shaving a week off of my GK to sell and Week 11 is an away game :) . I already have 16 players (that's including the coach). I could fire off one of the slackers but then I wouldn't have a back up.

So after typing this message, I feel a little more comfortable with it. I can also get away with only having 8 GK coaches instead of 9 so that's a little savings there. but if I go with the GK training this week, then I'll need to go ahead and buy a coach THIS week instead of next.

[socralynnek]

Your 7th home game is in week 13.
So, you only have 6 home matches.
I don't think you'll be bankrupt if you take the solid coach, only if both trainees get injured and then maybe even not...

How fast is your fan club growing atm?

[Tubby Rower]

It grew 18 the 1st two weeks then 17 then 14 thsi past week. So I have 167 in The NRC (my fan club)

Yeah sorry about the 7th home game thing. For some reason I thought that I'd have 8 home games. I guess Hattrick is designed so that you can't play yourself [lol] but regardless I'll be trading an away game later for no game now, which isn't any better but I'll be able to start my next trainee earlier.

[Tubby Rower]

FWIW, I'm going after the solid coach and will be training GK this week. I'm selling a back up forward (salary = 700/ week) his transfer compare only had one guy who's TSI is ~550 and sold for 14k. My guy has a TSI ~ 850. So maybe I'll get a little more out of him.

So I'll be playing the majority of this season with only 15 players total. 11 starters + 1 trainee + 1 coach + 2 back ups. If an injury occurs hopefully I won't be in too much debt to bid on a player. I have up to 200k before they won't let me bid. Hopefully I'll be able to sell one of the GK trainees to get me back afloat on week 10 but I guess that I could sell both and get 1.25 seasons of training for 2 more 17 year olds and make better money on them.

Question (you knew there was one coming) : should I wait until right before training updates to buy the coach or do it today?

[Shabbaman]

Well, it doesn't make that much of a difference. So your coach might or might not 1 day sooner, but by that time you'll most likely have a new coach anyway.

[Tubby Rower]

as far as specialists I need ...

8-9 GK coaches
1 Ass. coach
2-4 spokespeople
? economists &lt;- how do I find out if they are they worth it?

[Shabbaman]

http://www.databased.at/hattrick/x-files/

[Tubby Rower]

ooo... data. Thanks Shabba.

[Shabbaman]

You're welcome. Don't forget to set training intensity to 100% btw.

[Tubby Rower]

already there... tanks

[Shabbaman]

Tanks? [tvs]

[Tubby Rower]

The stupid external recruiters got me a coach from Croatia. Now I have to pay an extra $100 every week for the next two seasons ... grrrrr.

Any way, I've hired 9 GK coaches, 1 Ass Coach, and 2 Spokespeople. I won't break even on an economist until at least 150k in debt. Right now I'm 107k in debt.

[Tubby Rower]

Here is my press anouncement for the new coach
quote:4/26/2006 Bronson severely injured
After confronting John Linehan about the whole fixture incident, Coach Bronson sustained several injuries (mostly emotional).

A headhunter agency went out to find a new head coach. Of course with their affinity for foreign cultures, they returned with Goran Veli#263; from Hrvatska - wherever that is. He's 51 years old and enjoys going clubbing with John. So he is expected to stick around for a good while.

In other news, the schedule for the upcoming season looks to be challenging.

[Tubby Rower]

I have a question.....
quote:





The Meltdown - RSV MÜLHEIM DREAMTEAM 7 - 1 [HT Live] hattriX-Ray live! (played matches) hattriX-Ray head to head (played matches) Hattrick Hall of Fame (match) [Add this match to your bookmarks]





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Date: 4/27/2006 at 01.00
MatchID: 71012913
Arena: Three-Mile Island
Crowd: 216


216 punters turned up at Three-Mile Island, and despite threatening clouds on the horizon, no rain came. Meltdown had chosen a strategic 4-3-3 formation. The following players had been chosen: Özenli - Dow, Riddle, Palacios, Parnell - Hand, Meyers, Fleming - Fontaine, Pederson, Milenkov.

DREAMTEAM tactics involved an interesting 3-5-2 combination. The following players had been chosen: Kornfeld - Zampach, Pa#351;a, Rastatt - Brusinow, Pullheim, Streile, von Wyl, Palatürk - Brendle, Oldesloe.

The home side put themselves ahead 1 - 0 in the 8th minute after a breakthrough from Dimitar Milenkov, who, unaided, came in out of the right wing hooking the ball over the visitors' keeper. Hud Parnell gave Meltdown supporters even more to cheer about when he increased the lead to 2 - 0 after 20 minutes, following a good exchange of passes on the right that the away team failed to deal with. There was concern in the stands when, at the 28 minute mark, Meltdown's Rob Riddle hit the ground hard, but he refused the attention of the trainer and rejoined his teammates on the pitch. Meltdown seemed a little tentative in their play as their organization fell to passable. Ramon von Wyl of DREAMTEAM was booked for kicking the ball away after the whistle. Moritz Rastatt seemed to be impossibly far from the goal as he accurately knocked one in for DREAMTEAM. 2 - 1. Many in the crowd felt the referee was being too lenient when he only showed Meltdown's Garrett Dow a yellow card after a mistimed challenge from behind in the 39th minute. The DREAMTEAM player who had to be helped off the pitch, was Toralf Pullheim as he was unable to finish the game. Georg Eibauer came in to finish the match. There was a bit of a mixup on the field as Meltdown found themselves out of position and their organization level dropped to passable. A speedy charge from the left side of the field increased Meltdown's lead to 3 - 1 as Dimitar Milenkov finished it off competently, firing from an acute angle. Meltdown seemed to suffer a certain amount of confusion and they fell to a inadequate level of organization. It was 3 - 1 at the break. Meltdown held the ball, with a clear 57 percent of possession.

During the break, Meltdown's coach went through the team's tactics yet again, getting them up to solid organization. In the 72nd minute of the match, the visitors' central line of defence had to look on as Rickey Fleming dashed through, knocking home 4 - 1 for Meltdown. Frank Fontaine increased Meltdown's lead to 5 - 1, putting a header away on a hooked ball from the right. By now, Meltdown were drawing the troops back in order to defend their lead. Frank Fontaine gave Meltdown supporters even more to cheer about when he increased the lead to 6 - 1 after 83 minutes, following a good exchange of passes on the right that the away team failed to deal with. Meltdown's Frank Fontaine saw his fine effort strike the top of the bar following some good work up the middle by his teammates in the 84th minute. After 85 minutes DREAMTEAM's Nuh Palatürk contracted a slight foot injury, but could finish the game. A weary-looking #350;ükrü Pa#351;a struggled to keep pace with the advancing attack, but he just didn't have the energy and let Meltdown's Frank Fontaine through to score, making it 7 to 1. That was his third goal of the match - [u]a hat trick for Frank Fontaine.</u> The forty-five minutes were dominated by Meltdown, with an impressive 73 percent possession of the ball.

The most dominating Meltdown player was without a doubt Rickey Fleming. Frank Fontaine turned in a dismal performance, however. Most important DREAMTEAM player was Jakob Oldesloe. Gerhardt Kornfeld turned in a dismal performance, however. The match ends 7 - 1.


How in the world did my worst player score a hattrick? [lol] this doesn't make sense.

[Shabbaman]

Once the match engine has calculated that a goal was scored, the scorer is assigned randomly. This is supposed to get changed though.

[socralynnek]

I thought it already got changed?

107K debt is ok. But watch it carefully, s.t. you could fire specialists before it gets too bad...
I am curious, how big your crowd is in your first league match...

[Shabbaman]

That's what I thought as well, but apparently it's not working like it should. I'd have expected my forwards to score, the difference in scoring is huge.

[Tubby Rower]

@socralynnek, I haven't had a league match yet.

After the whopping $700 I got from my Int. Friendly I am only 106k in debt :D. I know this will grow. I am thinking of potentially selling a GK once he reaches solid for ~ 150k to get out of debt and get a young 17yo to train for 1.75 seasons. Then I could sell the other one once he reaches formidable next season around week 3.

[Shabbaman]

I think you make a lot more money if you train them from formidable upwards.

[Tubby Rower]

Are you talking about buying a formidable GK and training them or get a 17 yo and training them beyond formidable?

[socralynnek]

That's why I wrote: I am curious...
Here is a statistics on average keeper prices:
http://www.lokesoftware.dk/ham/hamtpestats.cfm?Skill=4
And if you click on a skill you see how the prices developed in the past.
Selling at solid is only a viable method if otherwise the debt goes to big.
We'll see in a few weeks...

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

Are you talking about buying a formidable GK and training them or get a 17 yo and training them beyond formidable?


Both. But training an inadequate to solid won't earn you much money. Training a formidable to outstanding (1 level) earns you a lot more, although the initial investments are a lot higher.

[Tubby Rower]

quote:That's why I wrote: I am curious...Oh.. I read 'is' as 'was'. sorry. I've had my 2nd cup of coffee now and should be more alert.

I've seen similar numbers on another site. But what I was thinking is to get rid of one of these 18 yo pretty quick and get a 17 yo to train for a long time. That way I'll be able to have 2 trainees that are staggered instead of 2 trainees that are at the same level. I understand that I could wait 5 more weeks and get another ~300k but would that be enough to offset the quicker training of a 17 yo? If I could get a solid 17 yo then I'd basically shave a year of age off of my trainee while getting some cash to my creditors. The decision doesn't have to be made now, but as I'm looking at this table, I see that the price hikes are steeper the higher you go up the scale. So if I could get more training on a 17 yo then the profits will be greater. I thinkquote:
Solid 122,467
Excellent 430,024
Formidable 997,770
Outstanding 1,676,246
Brilliant 2,410,906
Magnificent 3,135,498

[Tubby Rower]

Instead of spamming the Q&A thread.. I figured that I would post here since it is kind of specific to my team sort of.

For a Counter Attack team, I need:
1) good defenders with passing
2) good scorers
3) decent midfielders

any thing else? what levels do I need for these things? is any of them more important than the other?

[socralynnek]

Don't forget the wingers, as the CA chance is on the same side than the chance stopped and many PM teams abandon one wing attack, you can get the chances there.

But you can't have 3 and 4 at the same time, but at least one strong winger should be in.

On the levels I can't help you, never played CA.

[Tubby Rower]

I had my first GK pop just recently and decided to see what trainees were available, since I know more of what I am doing now.

So I found a 17yo inadequate. He's almost exactly 1 level behind my other trainee and also 1 year younger. So I decided to place a bid for ~10k less than the TC average price and got him. So I placed my solid GK on the TL with a minimum price of 120k and I've been waiting nervously for the time to come for people to bid on him. Well today someone placed a bid for 150k!! I'll get $131 145 after fees. people are going nuts over solid GK's the transfer compare on him states his Average price is 208 930 US$ and the Median Price is 187 500 US$. I'm pretty excited since Solid gk's have been running around $140k :D

[socralynnek]

At least you are out of the debt now, or not?

So, by saving the interest, this might finally pay off.
And surely the other one is faster.
Although I generally think 17yo are overvalued, but that's another thing here.

[BCLG100]

Cool Congrats tubs, send some of that cash my way :D

[BCLG100]

Also tubby how long are you planning on training your next keeper??? further than solid?

[Tubby Rower]

@ ynnek, No I won't be completely out of debt but my debt will be down from 120k to ~ 40k or less. So interest payments will be significantly down.

@ BCLG, I'll be training my other near solid 18 yo to formidable (early next season). My 17yo I'll likely train until the end of next season somewhere around outstanding or brilliant.

[Tubby Rower]

Since I can't get onto Hattrick at work, I've found ways to get most of the info that I want. I got this off of Hottrick..

Notice that I have &gt; 300 supporters [invasion][charge][cheerl]
Hattrick nick Tubby_Rower
Data downloaded 0h 00m ago
Team The Meltdown
Country USA
Supporters' Mood 7
Fanclub size 307
Arena size 12000

[Tubby Rower]

Well I guess the bidding on my first trainee is over. He went for 153 000 $US (102k pounds) I made $84 100 on him in a little over 5 weeks. and now I'm only ~50k in debt instead of 120k [coool]

[BCLG100]

congrats tubby, that was about what you were hoping for wasnt it?

[Tubby Rower]

I made a stupid mistake and bid 1k on a utopian PM... it still has 3 days to finish so hopefully someone will out bid me [eek]

[arne1]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

I made a stupid mistake and bid 1k on a utopian PM... it still has 3 days to finish so hopefully someone will out bid me [eek]

do not worry someone will overbid you:D

[Tubby Rower]

They did. I was starting to have visions of me being bankrupt. And just when I was going to be doing well. [lol]

[Darth Pugwash]

Haha, I did a similar thing yesterday Tubby.

I found myself with 200K in the bank from my new stadium, I kept telling myself - wait damnit, don't go spending it yet!! But it was no use and I ended up buying a new striker.

I was browsing the transfer list and I spotted a bidding war going on for the striker, I randomly bid and was surprised to see the bidding suddenly stop!

But yes I now have a new excellent scorer, passable passing, formidable set peice, 21 yr old striker. Paid 290K for him.

Probably should have waited until the end of the season, when I reckon I will have made 700K + on ticket sales but hey.

edit now of course it will be closer to 400K :(

[Darth Pugwash]

Congrats on the trainee by the way, sounds like you've made a good start to Hattrick!

I didn't start a training regime until I had been playing for 2 seasons (well, 1 and a half anyway)

[Tubby Rower]

Thanks... My second trainee (18 yo) will pop to solid today and my 3rd trainee will pop to a passable 17 yo. So if it doesn't look like I'll promote, I'll sell the 18yo when he hits excellent for ~ 400k. If I'm going to be promoting, I'll train him in the off season and sell him when he gets to formidable week 1 of next season for ~1M. or I might train the 17yo so that I don't have to compete for good 17 yo U-20 prospects and it'll delay his formidable pop until week 3.

[Tubby Rower]

could anyone help me maximize my team to play 2 bot teams in my league. Everyone that has played them has had scores like 7-0 and 10-0. I don't expect to lose either of them and all of their games so far has been the exact same lineup (not taking into account injuries). I'm looking for goal differential and goals for my top scorers. currently my top 2 scorers have 4 and 3 goals. The leading scorer in the league has 5. So I'm not far behind and their have been hattricks in almost every game I think against them.

Thanks.

[Tubby Rower]

forgot to add:
This Sunday vs Golden Wizards (225288)

Next week vs C0L0Rado (225292)

[arne1]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

forgot to add:
This Sunday vs Golden Wizards (225288)

Next week vs C0L0Rado (225292)


My advice would be to PiC (play it Cool) against them and get your teamspirit up for the match after. Against the bots you will win anyway so you can afford it.

[Tubby Rower]

I've been PiC'ing my games. I've won all of them except for one draw (not counting friendlies where Mistfit is handing me my butt). I was planning on PiC'ing the games but I was wondering how to maximize score or will it just happen?

[arne1]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

I've been PiC'ing my games. I've won all of them except for one draw (not counting friendlies where Mistfit is handing me my butt). I was planning on PiC'ing the games but I was wondering how to maximize score or will it just happen?

OK, I took a quick look at your bot-opponents and they stink way more than you. So you should not waiste attention on defense. They will hardly get a chance anyway. If you have wingbacks with some wing skill, you could play them offensive which will boost your wing attacks and weaken your not unecesarry strong wing defenses. I would also advice to play your central defender offensive if he has some (at least weak) playmaking and stamina so you get more possesion. and will loose some defense again.

On a general note, make sure your attack is stronger than his defense on all sites. you will score almost every chance.

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

(not counting friendlies where Mistfit is handing me my butt)


You can't pic in friendlies anyway.

[Tubby Rower]

Ok here goes....

My next 2 matches are against Dean Ltd (225293). They went on a tear at the beginning of the season winning 4 straight. But the last two matches they've lost and I looked at the last 5 matches and barring injuries here is the lineup that has been fielded for the last 5 games.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Tubby Rower/200665124857_Dean.jpg
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Here is my current team...

Marcelo Carmo - forward
TSI = 140 , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities


Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: solid


Frank Fontaine - winger/forward backup?
TSI = 420 , 25 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]


Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: weak


Dimitar Milenkov - forward
TSI = 600 , 31 years, solid form
Has inadequate experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: passable



Marco Aurelio Barón - forward backup
TSI = 160 , 29 years, wretched form
Has weak experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set pieces: solid


Rickey Fleming - inner midfielder
TSI = 2 090 , 28 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Head]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: inadequate


John Linehan - inner midfielder
TSI = 1 530 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and disastrous leadership abilities


Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: disastrous
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: inadequate


Anthony Pederson - winger
TSI = 850 , 21 years, solid form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: disastrous
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor


Francis Hand - winger
TSI = 280 , 31 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid


Eric Meyers - wing back backup
TSI = 440 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid


Eduardo Palacios - center defender
TSI = 2 310 , 24 years, passable form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities [Quick]


Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: weak


Hud Parnell - wing back
TSI = 220 , 27 years, weak form
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: weak


Garrett Dow - Center Defender
TSI = 1 240 , 25 years, passable form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set pieces: passable


Rob Riddle - wing back
TSI = 760 , 20 years, solid form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set pieces: wretched


Gil Tsuriel - Center defender backup
TSI = 160 , 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set pieces: inadequate


Friedl Brodtitz - GK trainee/backup
TSI = 1 810 , 17 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: wretched


Silverio Sandoval - Keeper
TSI = 3 350 , 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: poor Keeper: solid
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: disastrous




So my question is... how should I play this guy? Should I go all out attack and let my solid (+2 weeks training) GK stop him? He has 2 mid to low inadequate goalies. so I think that my guys should be able to take him in score, but I'm a little leary of what happened to last season's champ in this game Metros - Dean Ltd 1 - 2 (Game ID = 79744099). It looks like the Metros beat him everywhere but still lost. Any help would be appreciated. I have experience in 3-4-3 and 4-3-3

[arne1]

do not worry to much, the guy did nog login in since the beginning of april. so he is problably not going to change his line up. i would recommend a 3-4-3 lin-up. since you have quite a few solid playmakers.
Looking at the stats of your opponent you should have a very good chance to win, althoug he has inadequate central defense.
I think I would opt for playing.
Fontaine (FTW) Milenkov Baron
Hand (O) Fleming (0) Lineham Pederson (WTM)
Riddle (D) Palacios (O) Tsuriel (D)

FTW=forward to wing
O=offensive
D=defensive
WTM=wing to mid

Playing like this will give you one storng wing (with hand and fontaine) stong midfield ( fleming, lineham and pederson backed by palacios) and enoug defense to withstand the few attacks he is going to have. Another good alternative is to make lineham an extra inner and let Pederson Play innermid attacking. His passing will support your (central) attack.

another approach would be to just let central attack go Play two wingers attacking and two FTW and play wing attack.

Good luck

[Tubby Rower]

I switched a few things around from your lineup arne... I swapped Garrett Dow for Gil Tsuriel mainly because he has passable leadership and I'm looking to make him a coach one day. I also switched Baron for Carmo mainly because of form. I'm playing Baron in friendlies to hopefully get his form up.

In the Useless info in 4 days category, according to this page (http://usa.hatstats.info/promotion.php?level=5) I'll be playing a qualifier for promotion and Mistfit will be directly relegating if the season ended now.

[Tubby Rower]

well today Dean Ltd. was officially given to a newbie. The good news is that there is a friendly tonight against the Fancy Garlic Presses (#6 in the USA major league). So likely he has likely been recruited by said other team and will get better later in the season. Now I'm off to get his players and see what he has. Also he'll be cash strapped at first and will have a worse team than I would have had to play :D what luck!!

[Tubby Rower]

I just looked at his players and I'll be sending my defense forward on this one. He has bought one player already TSI = 1660 (next highest player is 900) so he's most likely a passable 18 yo goal keep that someone just pulled. here is his current squad.quote:20 Players

Juan Alberto Angulo
TSI = 1 660 , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities


Graig Fraley
TSI = 900 , 27 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and solid leadership abilities [Technical]


Scottie Pollard
TSI = 630 , 27 years, passable form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Ricky Dowell
TSI = 490 , 27 years, passable form
Has weak experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Powerful]


Liu Zhong Xian
TSI = 430 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Quick]


Hubert Sumner
TSI = 420 , 25 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities [Powerful]


Henry Perdue
TSI = 410 , 23 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and disastrous leadership abilities


Fernando Zurita
TSI = 320 , 26 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and disastrous leadership abilities


Chua Ching Hui
TSI = 310 , 21 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Powerful]


Dionisio Filemón Rodriguez
TSI = 230 , 23 years, weak form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities [Unpredictable]


Karl Peacock
TSI = 170 , 25 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities


Johnson Foley
TSI = 160 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities


Trent Leblanc
TSI = 160 , 23 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]


Jason Clemens
TSI = 140 , 25 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Quick]


Lawrence Boyd
TSI = 100 , 24 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities


Stephen Moore
TSI = 90 , 18 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and solid leadership abilities [Powerful]


David England
TSI = 60 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities [Powerful]


Wiley Rooney
TSI = 20 , 26 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Technical]


Gino Bonafede
TSI = 0 , 42 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities


James Starnes
TSI = 0 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities

[arne1]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

I switched a few things around from your lineup arne... I swapped Garrett Dow for Gil Tsuriel mainly because he has passable leadership and I'm looking to make him a coach one day. I also switched Baron for Carmo mainly because of form. I'm playing Baron in friendlies to hopefully get his form up.


I did not look at form, because I thought you would have a training update befroe teh match. Getting someeone ready to become your trainer is a valid reason to field him in a match you will likely win anyway.

[Tubby Rower]

I was looking for a solid defender today and stumbled across my new central back. he has solid leadership (disastrous experience :( ) and is sympathetic guy, tranquil and honest. luckily he's only 18 and I might be able to get some experience under his belt in about 12 seasons.

but the best part is that he was pulled from the youth squad of a team named... get this Nuclear Power. [lol]

[Tubby Rower]

My next opponent is new and apparently he decided on a training regime I'm not sure if this is all that he recently bought as the latest events were spammed to the max with his signings.

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I'm at work right now and can't access supporter statistics since I can't log in, could anyone find out where these players have played in the past. At least one of them was pulled at the beginnning of June so supposedly has played with the previous team

Laurent Doussot (114628239)
17 years, poor form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is temperamental and righteous.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities.

Nationality: flag Schweiz
Total Skill Index (TSI): 450
Wage: 480 £/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Amazing Team
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy

Lambertus van der Belt (121980223)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is tranquil and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: flag Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 450
Wage: 448 £/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Amazing Team
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy



Janusz Wity#324;ski (116396679)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is fiery and honest.
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities.

Nationality: flag Polska
Total Skill Index (TSI): 210
Wage: 432 £/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Amazing Team
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy




Massimiliano Rechichi (121979388)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities.

Speciality: Unpredictable

Nationality: flag Schweiz
Total Skill Index (TSI): 510
Wage: 448 £/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Amazing Team
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Bernardo Borbón (121471596)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Speciality: Unpredictable

Nationality: flag España
Total Skill Index (TSI): 590
Wage: 448 £/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Amazing Team
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Thanks for any info you can supply. btw, check out that first dude.. he's righteous. I haven't seen that before.

[Tubby Rower]

Woo hoo..... I just had my first main GK pop to formidable after 4 weeks. I believe the last pop was 6 so I was due for an early pop. The good news is that I could sell him for ~ 900k, buy a 17 excellent (before the aging), and improve my stadium and be out of debt. I was looking at the TPE and it looks like the profit levels out for one level to the next after excellent

8 excellent 380.887 US$
260.031 US$
23 1267
9 formidable 871.487 US$
490.600 US$
22 647
10 outstanding 1.455.811 US$
584.324 US$
22 410
11 brilliant 2.028.658 US$
572.847 US$
22 265
12 magnificent 2.583.937 US$
555.279 US$
22 167
13 world class 3.093.390 US$
509.453 US$
22 158

So I'm thinking of buying excellents and training them to formiddable and then re-selling. The agent fees might be too high for just 5 weeks of training. That's the only thing.

So does anyone have any thoughts on what I should do? Should I keep going with this guy, or should I execute my plan of excellent to formiddable training?

[Shabbaman]

Depends on what you want to train between seasons I guess. You could try selling for big bucks, and if they don't sell you train them another level. That's what I usually try.

[Tubby Rower]

well I have my other GK that needs to catch up on training since he lost a couple of weeks (one due to the downtime and the other to my stupidity). So I'll likely try to sell him, but use him in my last league match. I'll probably put him on the TL for ~850k and see if anyone bites. If they do I'll have a couple of weeks to find a suitably cheap trainee before the next season starts.

[Shabbaman]

You know, if you train a calm dutch goalkeeper to formidable or outstanding I might even buy him from you.

[BCLG100]

Would it not be a good idea to wait till the start of the next season tubs? that way they'll all be a year older and therefore maybe a price drop?

[Tubby Rower]

@ Shabba, I'll see what I can find....

@ Simon, at least during the last offseason, 17yos were going for the "normal" 18yo price for equivalent skills. People aren't THAT big of a group of morons to not know the rules. But the ones that don't get taken advantage of. ;)

[Tubby Rower]

I just found out who my 1st round cup opponent was. I looked them up on Hattrick this is them

quote:







Puerto Rico Kickers (228137)


Country: USA
Region: Puerto Rico
Arena: Puerto Rico Arena
Series: # 1 in VI.782




This team is a "bot". This means that it is playing with a simple default lineup until it gets a real owner. It has been a bot forever.





[charge][cheerl][drunks1]

The youngest player is 32 [lol].. Here is the experience breakdown for the players
weak - 3
passable - 2
solid - 2
excellent - 6
formidable - 3 (including the coach)
brilliant - 1


It looks like I might be able to PiC this one and still win it since they have been averaging 17 stars per match [:p]

[Tubby Rower]

Well the deadline for my formidable GK has expired without a bite at 850k. He was at poor form for some reason and TC wasn't populated too much and those players were &lt; 830k. X-files indicate that his going price was ~ 900k so I thought that I *could* get a bite, but it didn't happen. So I'll play him over the break and get him to pop hopefully on week 2 of next season and pick up about 500k extra. The only thing is that my debt load could go over -200k. So I won't be able to bid on players until I get a bid on Siverio first :(

[socralynnek]

The thing is: who needs a new player now, except for trainees? You will see prices increase a little and therefore it will be better for you to pop him another level.

[Tubby Rower]

yeah that's why I wasn't too upset with it. I'll now end up training him over the break with the hope that his form will increase too. Poor form just plain sucks because I had 9 GK coaches and he has never had a missed week of playing. I guess that random factor bit me in the bottom.

[arne1]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

yeah that's why I wasn't too upset with it. I'll now end up training him over the break with the hope that his form will increase too. Poor form just plain sucks because I had 9 GK coaches and he has never had a missed week of playing. I guess that random factor bit me in the bottom.

random must be a woman: "from nice into a bitch in 0.2 seconds"

[Tubby Rower]

I was just checking to see if my first round opponent became a real boy yet. And they haven't. But something that I did just notice is that my first Cup game ever will be played at HOME [cheerl].

So that means that I'll get the benefit of the 2/3 income from the gate receipts and get a midfield advantage against a bunch of geisers...Here is his midfield.

IM's
- John Mauldin (10320177) 37 years, weak form, healthy TSI : 10
- James Hairston (10320178) 35 years, weak form, healthy TSI : 40

Wingers
- Paul Dent (10320179) 36 years, weak form, bruised, but playing TSI : 50
- Cameron Denney (10320176) 33 years, weak form, healthy TSI : 20

This game will be a joke, but since it relies more on my fans than his, hopefully, I'll get a good turn out and of course I'll be able to PiC him and win very easily. His defense is actually stronger on the wings so I might line up a 3-4-3 and dive right into his middle.

[BCLG100]

tubs did you get promoted or not? i cant remember.

[Tubby Rower]

nah, I choked when it mattered :(. That's fine I know these opponents and it makes it easier this season then trying to struggle in Div V.

[Tubby Rower]

my GK will pop next week to outstanding. I really don't have to sell him due to the 2 home cup games from the past two weeks, but it would help me out significantly if I could get market value for him. The problem is that both of my GK's form has tanked. My back up didn't play in the offseason so his form is explained, but is it jsut the HT gods and the form monkey keeping me down?

So my question is should I continue training him to the next level (brilliant) or try to sell him with poor form? I can do what I did with him @ formiddable, which is to put him up for the minimum that I would accept and see if he goes. I really need to improve my front line and midfield and defense and wings [lol] .

If I do get market value for an outstanding GK ($1.3M according to TPE), What should I do with it? I need at least an excellent trainee to maintain my current income per week from training (~$100k per trainee). So that will leave me with ~$900k. Improving my stadium to 15k will cost $377,500. So that will leave me with ~$525k. I'm ~ $140k in the hole so the actual cash I'll have will be ~$390k, but I'm willing to go back into debt if needed.

my current main players have solid in the appropriate skill. So which part of the field should I improve? I can post my squad again if someone wants to see it.

[Kemal]

Not sure how much excellent goalkeeper trainees go for atm, but be sure to factor in the fact that you'll lose 10% of the transfer price on agent fees when making plans on where to spend the money.

Usually early on in the lower divisions, improving midfield is the best bang for buck, but maybe posting your key players here could give us a better idea of where you need to spend for the best effect indeed. :)

[Tubby Rower]

I'm sorry I thought that I had typed that in... Excellent GK (according to TPE) ~$350k. I was conservative in my estimates so hopefully it shouldn't hurt too bad.

I'll see if I can get my squads stats somehow here at work, but while I do that, here's another question.. Is it better to have 2 excellent PM or 1 formiddable and a solid?

[barbu1977]

http://www.freeweb.hu/dinam0/calculator.php?lang=1

I don't know how good it is.

[Tubby Rower]

Here's my team's current status



Marcelo Carmo - forward &lt;- I'm using him as my SP guy since he could get the scoring title, but am open to getting a &gt; SP guy.
TSI = 140 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities


Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: solid


Marco Aurelio Baron - forward
TSI = 270 , 30 years, excellent form
Has weak experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set pieces: solid


Frank Fontaine - winger/forward backup?
TSI = 400 , 26 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]


Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: weak


Dimitar Milenkov - forward
TSI = 340 , 32 years, weak form (bruised)
Has inadequate experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: passable



Rickey Fleming - inner midfielder
TSI = 1 990 , 29 years, passable form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Head]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: inadequate


John Linehan - inner midfielder
TSI = 1 760 , 25 years, solid form
Has poor experience and disastrous leadership abilities


Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: disastrous
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: inadequate


Anthony Pederson - winger
TSI = 850 , 23 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: disastrous
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor


Francis Hand - winger
TSI = 240 , 32 years, solid form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: solid


Eric Meyers - wing back backup
TSI = 450 , 20 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid


Eduardo Palacios - center defender
TSI = 1 320 , 25 years, weak form (injured 3 weeks)
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities [Quick]


Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: weak


Garrett Dow - Center Defender
TSI = 1 450 , 26 years, excellent form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set pieces: passable


Vladislav Zarev - Center Defender
TSI = 530 , 19 years, passable form
Has disatrous experience and solid leadership abilities


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: wretched


Rob Riddle - wing back
TSI = 550 , 21 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set pieces: wretched


Gil Tsuriel - Center defender backup
TSI = 180 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set pieces: inadequate


Friedl Brodtitz - GK trainee/backup
TSI = 3 160 , 18 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: solid +4
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: wretched


Silverio Sandoval - Keeper
TSI = 8 600 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: poor Keeper: formiddable +4
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: disastrous

[Kemal]

I'd definitely go for a third IM, the two you have are pretty good already, adding a 3rd that's excellent or maybe even formidable would really help your squad out. Else, try to get some solid scorers with quick/unpred or head, and some exp.

[Tubby Rower]

a formidable IM is running between 400k and 800k . So I should be able to get one of them cheaply

[Tubby Rower]

I'm pretty excited about my keeper jumping to outstanding.... I was talking to Mistfit and I got a little more encouragement from the low price of keepers as other players have depreciated more percentage wise :D.

he is 9.66-9.96 and this is his 5th week training. So he should pop. If he doesn't I might go ahead and train him one more level... but I really need replacements and I'm looking forward to getting the best midfield in the league [devil]

[Tubby Rower]

I just listed my lead GK. Hopefully I'll get an early bid from the BDF so I can get a good IM and another GK trainee before Sunday
quote:Silverio Sandoval [playerid=110450611]
19 years, inadequate form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: Bolivia
Total Skill Index (TSI): 10 010
Wage: 6 024 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Meltdown

Stamina: poor Goalkeeping: outstanding
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous

deadline 09/04/2006 @ 21:20
starting bid @ $1 150 000
early bids appreciated

[Tubby Rower]

With an early bid from Mistfit (thanks again!!) I was able to acquire a replacement GK trainee as well as a nice boost to my midfield. :) I've also hired a few economists as I'll be technically bancrupt for 2 days [lol] Here is my Economy
quote:
Economy

Cash funds: -136 973 US$ (-1 064 280) US$
Sponsors: delirious
Supporters Club: 697 members
Supporters: calm

I'll be getting at least 1 046 500 US$ from my GK. So even if Mistfit gets a new GK for a cheap price I'll be a whole lot less in debt than I was. Also I'll be able to sell a GK in 4 weeks and another in 5 weeks when they'll reach formidable. Or I can wait until they are outstanding if I don't need anything.

here are my two new playersquote:Hernâni Cruz
24 years, excellent form, healthy
A popular guy who is balanced and upright.
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: Portugal
Total Skill Index (TSI): 3 230
Wage: 1 800 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Meltdown

Stamina: excellent Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: formidable Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor




Matei Popa
18 years, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Nationality: România
Total Skill Index (TSI): 5 680
Wage: 3 600 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Meltdown

Stamina: wretched Goalkeeping: excellent
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous

[sz_matyas]

If you're into ambulance chasing, here is a great trainee for you. I would take him as his timing is almost perfect (3 week injury), but I'm too broke to bid more than $50K. He will be sold at 22:46 on 9/21

Diego Cruz (120953783)
18 yrs old, keeper excellent

[Tubby Rower]

I'll look at him this evening. He'll likely go up in proce though. Thanks for the heads up

[Tubby Rower]

his best performance was 4 stars... I bid 151k on him If I don't get him, that's fine..

[sz_matyas]

hey, figured he was worth a shot if he went for under $200K and fit your training schedule. Considering when he's healed, he's probably a $350K player.

[Tubby Rower]

yeah... right now I can only bid ~ 200k and I didn't want to push myself all of the way to that limit again if I can help it. ~ 150k of debt is manageable, but it restricted my bidding until someone bid on my guys. I'm glad I went into debt to get the solid coach, but I wouldn't want to have to do it again.

thanks again for the heads up [thumbsup]

[Tubby Rower]

I had a pretty good exchange yesterday of players.

- I bought an outstanding scorer (weak form but still outstanding) for $355k
- I sold a formidable GK for $624k (netting ~$560k)
- I slightly overpaid for a 17 yo passable GK to replace Freidl for $102k

so I netted ~ $100k and got a great forward who is 19 yo and should stay with me for a while


The passable GK was 6.8. TC for 17yo passable GK was around $85k. TC for a 17yo solid GK is &gt; $300k. So I think that I got a steal :D

[Shabbaman]

Outstanding scorer for 355k? Why am I even training?

[Tubby Rower]

He had weak form and I guess that I caught the market with few people online [:p]

on a sad note, the formidable GK price has dropped &gt; 200k this season.

[Tubby Rower]

Here [shabba] this should make you feel better. I am the 355k there



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Tubby Rower/20061017131356_Image2.gif
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[Shabbaman]

17 y.o. excellent scorers sell for more than 355k. Not that I buy those, but still. The HTPE weighs data that's too old.

[Tubby Rower]

quote: Est. Usage low 13755 US$ 99,380.00
Est. Usage medium 18340 US$ 132,507.00
Est. Usage high 22925 US$ 165,633.00

I was thinking of upgrading my stadium when I sell my next GK. I should be able to (after the sell) to upgrade to 17000 (~ $546k). 15k = $377k.

I'm still at the initial 12k stadium and max out even on rainy days any more. Any suggestions as to the next size I should build?

[socralynnek]

How many supporters do you have?

I think supporters*30 is the min size you should upgrade to.

[Tubby Rower]

917 * 30 = 27510

that's pretty high. I would need $ 1 434 700 for that upgrade.. not gonna happen

[socralynnek]

Wow, ok... if you can pay for 20000 seats, that is fine too. I thought you had less supporters, is it still constantly growing?

[Tubby Rower]

yes right now I'm adding about 12-14 per game

[socralynnek]

That's what I based the *30 on, normally I'd say *25 is already enough, but if it is still growing you need some more upgrades then...just make it as large as you can pay now...

[Tubby Rower]

well I only have 1 more home league match so I'll likely wait until after my last match of the season before I start construction so that it'll be ready for the beginning of next season and I won't have to lose as much interest during the offseason.

[Shabbaman]

You have to take in account that unless you win your first cup match and one or two league matches in your (new?) league next season, your supporters' mood might not be as good as it is now. For me it didn't pay off to increase my stadium, although in the long run it's wise to have a big stadium anyway.

[Tubby Rower]

I'll be staying in the same league next year with hopefully a chance to make a run for #1. so I expect to win as many games as I did this season and last season. ~ 12 league games... at least.

Cup draw just depends on these last 3 games

[Tubby Rower]

I have a quick question. I'm planning on switching training at the beginning of next season (around week 3-4). If you could switch training methods which would you switch to? I'll likely have ~ $900k or so after selling one of my GK's and the players too old to be trained in the position that I'm training.

there are a few forward trainers in my group already. I'm not sure that I want to go the same route as everyone else, but am willing to if it's best.

[BCLG100]

i think you should really be asking just how you will manage to beat BCLG united [:p]

[Tubby Rower]

meh.. that just requires fielding 9 players.. [lol]

[BCLG100]

its funny cos its true :(

[sz_matyas]

As far as what to train, I think depends on your objectives and current players a bit.

Wingers: Generates a fair bit of cash, but forces you to play with an emphasis on your wings, including wingbacks which can be harsh in a league training scoring.

IMs: Generates a lot of money, but heavy start-up costs. Also until it gets going, it may hurt the team you field as you need to train stamina as well. May be cost prohibitive to start properly if you also are upgrading your stadium (though this is what I'm going to switch to I think) Long term this is a solid strategy until your average player outdistances your trainee skill level.

Scoring: Helps the team, brings in fans, a little lighter on the cash but better than GK. The downside is that you already have an outstanding scorer and it would hurt to have to replace him, though that would give a significant boost to starting the training.

Defending: If you plan on moving up, this could help you from feeling completely outclassed in division V. Generates a fair bit of money, but doesn't win you games in div VI and your fans won't be as thrilled. Still a solid choice, especially if defense is currently a weak spot you won't lose much on the changeover and it counters the forward trainers in the league.

Passing: Better for high level trainers where boosting the primary skill doesn't add much value. I'd avoid it for now until you have players at least in the formidable or outstanding range.

Just my thoughts, then again I'm in a league where only one other player is training and his trainees are in their 20's. It might be worthwile watching what the market does the first couple weeks once the exact changes are known though.

[arne1]

valid thoughts, I would say.

[socralynnek]

Maybe you could do some kind of combo training. Get some young cheap players with both wing and scoring and train them as FTW. Still, it's complicated and it might be better there to buy some that have a strong A-Skill...

The main benefit of wing training is that it's fast. Then the price decreasement doesn't strike you as hard. But then again, you'd make most money with players that already have some PM and Stamina, but they are costing something. For your team progress, PM might be the best option. But with strong wingers you can beat almost every defense as most teams only have a decent central defense.

[Shabbaman]

Switching to PM is hard. You need to replace your A-midfield with players that are young and have high PM, otherwise your team ratings fall too much. Those players are relatively expensive. Or, with a different approach, you could just assume that the market is crap anyway and that it doesn't really matter how many players you train. Then you just buy 3 IM trainees and start training, and once those three replace your A-list players you sell your old midfielders.
But like I pm'ed you I'd suggest to go with wingers. I don't know about the "new" wing training for midfielders and forwards, but FTW is really underappreciated. If you start training wingers your offense will get a great boost, and since most lower league teams have a poor wing defense wing attacks are golden. Just don't play AOW.

[arne1]

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

Switching to PM is hard. You need to replace your A-midfield with players that are young and have high PM, otherwise your team ratings fall too much. Those players are relatively expensive. Or, with a different approach, you could just assume that the market is crap anyway and that it doesn't really matter how many players you train. Then you just buy 3 IM trainees and start training, and once those three replace your A-list players you sell your old midfielders.
But like I pm'ed you I'd suggest to go with wingers. I don't know about the "new" wing training for midfielders and forwards, but FTW is really underappreciated. If you start training wingers your offense will get a great boost, and since most lower league teams have a poor wing defense wing attacks are golden. Just don't play AOW.

to replace his a-midfiled he can buy 19 or 20 yo, just to remind you tubby does not need trainees better than outstanding.
But I also think FTW is very valuable, so there is at least one idiot willing top pay good money for palyers like that.

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by arne1

But I also think FTW is very valuable, so there is at least one idiot willing top pay good money for palyers like that.


I don't know. I think it's undervalued. Just like ordinary wingers are overvalued by winger trainers. At least it's very easy to pick up scoring trainees with solid wing (and solid passing...).

[Tubby Rower]

What I will likely do is wait for my 17 yo to pop to excellent and sell him (in 2 weeks).. I won't have the cash that I would like to have, but I'll also get to keep my outstanding +2weeks GK. Which will definately be the best in the league. I could also train the young one only during the off-season and sell him at the beginning of next season.

Btw, I have 2 30+ forwards, so getting rid of them for some decent trainees wouldn't be that bad... I only have 1 old midfielder (29 currently)

[Shabbaman]

With "old" I mean "too old to be trainable", e.g. over 21, not "geriatric" ;)

[Kemal]

Heh, about 50% of my trainees is over 21... popping from inadequate to passable or passable to solid. [:p]

[arne1]

quote:Originally posted by Kemal

Heh, about 50% of my trainees is over 21... popping from inadequate to passable or passable to solid. [:p]


Yes, but you are training passing. So they probably got a mainskil too.

[Tubby Rower]

Ok. I think that I have decided to switch to winger training.

Reasons for:
- quick pops
- not a lot of people are doing it.
- I just bought midfielders and forwards and don't feel like shopping for them again
- defensive training doesn't match the playstyle for my league (no strong attacks)



So This is what I was thinking about doing. Originally I planned to keep my outstanding + GK and selling my currently excellent GK once he gets to formidable. Now I'm planning on keeping my lower GK trainee since again my league doesn't have strong scoring overall. This will also allow my to buy better trainees.

As for trainees, I was planning on buying a low winger skilled and high secondary player. IE: buy a solid or excellent PM, scoring or defense with weak or inad winger. then I could train the wing to excellent or formidable and sell them then. That way they'd have a good secondary skill (original primary skill) and have a decent amount of winger. does that make sense? I just need a sanity check

[akots]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower
... I just need a sanity check


You are rather sane imho. I'm aslo planning a somewhat similar move for the next season. This gives a considerable flexibility in the league matches (can play 3-5-2 or even 4-4-2 occasionally with an option of 3-4-3 and 4-3-3) while with friendlies it seems that playing with 3 forwards is a must to have 5 trainees total. I have about 2 million to spend to start this new training program and this means 5 very decent starting trainees for about 400K each, might be something like 17-18 years old, excel playmaking and passable winger skills. These players would be hard to find (especially 17 years old in the start of the season), so solid playmaking might be enough aspparently. But it seems that going with 18- or even 19-yo here is the best option. Winger training would still be OK and reasonable playmaking can be more important.

[sz_matyas]

I'm using the strategy of buying 17 yr olds right now in anticipation of training them as 18 yr olds next season. I'm getting what I feel are some pretty good deals (though I have to stop right now as I'm over $100K in debt).

For example I picked up this guy for $110,000. It's high, but that's because he's 80% of the way trained to excellent PM and I got stuck in a bidding war I should have quit.
quote:
Linus Droogstoppel (141735517)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 300
Wage: 888 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: hunting_penguins
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: poor Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched

Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0

I'm sure you can find similar players as for around $60K if you searched, whiel I don't expect them to be quite as cheap at the beginning of the season.

[Tubby Rower]

well currently I'm ~ 400k in debt since I wanted my stadium upgraded for the cup matches. Around week 2 I should be able to sell a brilliant GK for ~ $1.3-1.6 M. I'll also need to reserve a little to upgrade my coach since I expect him to start dropping his coaching skillz this season.

This timing will allow me to steer clear of the initial buying frenzy of the new season while still getting some younger players that I'll be able to train for a while.

btw, what is the age limit on training? I'm thinking of training wingers instead of wing attacks. I'll lose two training spots but winger is a little quicker.

Winger = 5-week pops for 2 @ 100% and 2 @ 50% for 3 players trained per game times two games gives a cumulative total of 1.2 pops per week.
Wing Attacks = 7-week pops for 5 @ 100% per game times two games gives a cumulative total of ~1.4 pops per week.

So I'm losing one pop every 5 weeks. I'm not completely sure that it's worth it, but winger training will allow me to be much much much more versatile.

[akots]

Well, if you consider both league and friendly games, that would be not 0.2 pop/week but 0.4 pop/week which is a considerable difference. Also, I'm not sure that the ratio is exactly 5:7, it might be somewhat more like 5:6.5-6.-6 imho which adds even more for these extra training spots. While at league matches, I'm still inclined of playing 3-5-2, ability to play friendlies at 3-4-3 would partially compensate for that. But it is more long-term training program which I expect to last for 3 seasons for me.

Also, I can play 3-4-3 in the league as well if needed.

[akots]

quote:Originally posted by sz_matyas
I'm using the strategy of buying 17 yr olds right now in anticipation of training them as 18 yr olds next season. I'm getting what I feel are some pretty good deals


It all depends on what performace you need in the league matches, and it seems I might be forced to go even for training of at least 2 or 3 19-year-old formidable+ playmakers into winger skill.

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by sz_matyas


Linus Droogstoppel


[:o)]

[Tubby Rower]

akots, I was considering both games and it was 1.2 vs 1.4

[code]winger = 4 x 0.2 and 4 x 0.1 = 1.2
wing attacks = 10 x .14 = 1.4 @ 7-week pops
10 x .15 = 1.5 @ 6.5-week pops
10 x .16 = 1.6 @ 6-week pops

[akots]

Yes, Tubby, you are right. Which means if I play 3-4-3 only in friendlies leaving 3-5-2 for the league, then it would be better to train wingers via winger and not via wing attack. So, I'm completely undecided on that because I was also considering training winger with a few young forwards. They are less expensive and also still in some demand on the market. The problem is with larger number of trainees. I'm afraid I would be extremely concerned with league performance in the next season and would not be able to spare a single wingback spot in the league matches for training. This leaves me with the following numbers:


League match: 3-5-2
Friendly: anything, for example 3-4-3.

Then, if training wingers I get (2+2) * 0.2 + (2+0) * 0.1 = 1.0
If training wing attack assuming 7 weeks per pop, I get (2+2) * 0.14 + (XX0+3) * 0.14 = 0.571 + 0.429 = 1.0

Considering that the trainees would age and their training will slow down, the first variant might still be better.

XX0 is the free winger training for forwards which I would be fielding in the league but they are already past the optimal training age, so that would be really slow. Also, my current forwards are pretty weak (if not literally) in winger skill, so that would be really wasting of training spots.

On the other hand, I don't have enough cash to start reasonable playmaking training program without seriously jeopardizing league performance, so this is out of question.

The problem might be with market since if the prices might go slightly up, training has to be done efficiently otherwise, it is doomed to fail. If prices stay like they are now, not much would be wasted with training wing attack compared to wingers and this might be acceptable.

This is all very [confused]
[bosd]

In any case, I would be able to make more money than my current keeper traiing, so this has to be stopped without any slightest doubt.

[Tubby Rower]

I think that your point of training your older forwards slowly in wing attacks is a valid one. That has swung me towards wing attacks. I have a couple of younger (19 now) decent forwards that could use some sing training. I should be able to sell them as normal trainees too.

I still have a couple of weeks to decide, so I'll think this over some more.

[socralynnek]

don't try to train weak wingers, only if their other stats are really good. you get an inad or passable winger with same A-Skill for nearly the same money.

[Tubby Rower]

Ok.. I've bought a few trainees. I replaced my current set piece dude with a titanic set pieces and passable scoring 21 yo. Here are my 4 recent purchases. I already had a 20 yo outstanding scorer with weak winger I didn't feel like parting with. For the winger slots I already have a 21yo all-around inadequate and a 19 yo excellent winger (no secondaries to speak of).


[u]Forwards to be trained with wing attacks</u>
Fernando Sastre Miralles bought for $63k
TSI = 930 , 20 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: poor
Scoring: solid Set pieces: solid


Gonerts Grupnieks bought for $85k
TSI = 420 , 21 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: titanic

[u]PM's to be trained in the winger position</u>
Ilja Alders bought for $70k
TSI = 950 , 20 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: excellent Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set pieces: wretched


Víctor Minguella bought for $62k
TSI = 950 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: excellent Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: poor



I have around 620k left. After my new acquisitions and the newly dead weight that's up for sale or at the pub, I have 4 players slotted for the winger position and 3 out of 5 or 6 forwards. So I need 2 or 3 more forwards. I overpaid a bit on the titanic SP guy, but the extra SP skill will help me now and when I sell him.


Any suggestions on the remaining 2 or 3 forwards? I'm also looking to get a better defensive dude since my GK was pulling a lot of weight in the backfield

[Tubby Rower]

OK.. I now have 5 forwards fairly suitable for training and 3 IM's suitable for training into wingers and a winger that I had from before. So I have my minimum trainee staff. Ideally I'd like to get one more forward, but I'll probably end up playing 3-5-2 some so 1 more isn't really necessary. I'll be training stamina this week and then start wing attacks training. So I should be getting ~ 1.75 pops per player per season. that's around 16 pops per season... not too bad.

Also since HT X-files (nor anywhere else that I can see) has any info on wing attacks training other than it takes ~7-8 weeks, I decided to go into default nerd mode and collect data. I made up a spreadsheet that will be tracking the winger skill as I go through the next couple of seasons. I probably won't post stuff here every week, but if you would like my current info, post here and I'll update it. I didn't list any secondaries as they really could really be any of the other skills.

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[Robboo]

nerd....

keep it up should be helpful in the future for some of us.

[socralynnek]

I am a spambot.

Do you still need a trainee?

Maximilian Gurmann (144517705)

17 years old, passable Wing, passable Scoring

Deadline today at 20.13 HT-Time

[Robboo]

I am debating whether I should kill you now socra. I had him marked as a possible purchase. Tubby.. you want him you can have him. I was just looking for an injury replacement instead of having one of my guys play both matches for the next few weeks.

[socralynnek]

You can kill me in that Pitboss game...

Wow, I haven't advertised that player before, it's funny you found him.

EDIT: And don't forget to visit the SGOTM03 Thread Robboo...

[Tubby Rower]

Robboo's a vulture and gets easy prey [:p] I found a proxy bidder for me :D

[Robboo]

Hey I am on light duty at work so I have been upgrading my team and selling some useless players. I am going with a small number of players but increase my defense with the purchases of yesterday.

/I have been watching the STGOM 3 nothing to add right now.

[Tubby Rower]

thanks ynnek for the heads up. I bought him for 20k, but authorized my proxies to go up as high as 50k.

[Robboo]

dang it.... you owe me tubby.

It was tempting with 1 minute left to bid 21000

[BCLG100]

thanks to me :D see my hattrick 1337ness is still intact!

[Tubby Rower]

thanks Simon.

[socralynnek]

Robboo, now you owe me one cause you didn't bid ;)

20K is fine. First YP sold since some time...still expected a little more money...

[Tubby Rower]

I told both Simon and Kevin that I was willing to pay up to 50k, ... luckily Simon's first bid stuck [lol]

EDIT:: I just realized that by me stopping the check going to the YS I paid for MAximillian. And according to some programs, he is my 2nd best forward out of 6. I guess now I'm exclusively 3-4-3. Oh well.. there goes diversity :(

[Robboo]

socra..I would have bid but since i saw it was one of the people i know. I dont screw over friends.IF Tubby woudl have been snoozing..I would have bid on him.

Now if you could pull a passsable o rbetter leadership,17 with inad or passable PM and/or some wing or passing, let me know.. I will be looking for a new trainee/future coach candidate in the next few weeks

[Tubby Rower]

coach candidates are going to be around 300k for inadequate leadership and ~ 500k or more for passable. The more experience the more expensive. People know that you will be saving money on the conversion so they will charge you up front for it.

To be honest, letting the teams that make long cup runs are the ones that "train" leadership and it's easier to but a future coach than train one.

[Robboo]

I get that Tubbby...but i was also goign to train him also. I was looking for a player to keep.

[Tubby Rower]

ah

[Tubby Rower]

I would like to increase my midfield by the end of the season. I currently play 3-4-3 in every game as it maximizes my training spots. I could start to play one game @ 3-5-2 to get some experience in that formation before the game in week 12 when I will need extra midfield. Or I could play that one game @ 2-5-3 and hope for little confusion.

My top 2 current midfielders both have formidable PM (one with inadequate passing and passable stamina and the other with weak passing and formidable stamina) my next best PM who would play if I have 5 in the middle has solid PM & stamina and passable passing.

My question is.... How good of a PM guy would I need to see a benefit in my midfield if I replace one of these?

Money available:
$ 195 310 (current funds)
$ 100 000 (approximate amount gained through normal operations until week 12)
[u]$ 300 000 (minimum amount I'd accept after fees for one of my formidable PMs)</u>
$ 595 310

That doesn't sound like much though. I wouldn't mind going into debt so you could add 200k to that for ~ 800k total. With that money I could get a steal on a brilliant PM if TPE is correct or get an outstanding PM with possibly a good secondary.. Any other suggestions?

[socralynnek]

Midfielders without passing got damn cheap...I don't understand why passing on midfielders is valued THAT high. For example I got a new trainee (19 yo, PM formidable, Def solid, head) for 549K Euros while the same player with solid passing instead of Def and even without a speciality would have cost twice as much.

So, don't look for much passing and you'll really get a nice one (maybe even brillant) for that money.

[Kemal]

The difference in value between passing and defending on mids isn't that strange I think, considering that usually you will only be buying good midfielders if your aim is to win the midfield with them. If you win the midfield, you prefer playing an offensive mid over a defensive one, making passing the best sideskill for mids in general, and thus the most expensive.

@tubby: while you might get 300K after fees for your mids, for conservative estimates I'd go for 250-275, last time I checked formi PMs with poor/weak passing went for about 275K on the market. I think for 800K you'd be looking at a brilliant midfielder.

[Tubby Rower]

so if I could sell my formidable PM with inadequate passing for a large amount and then buy a midfielder with defending I might be able to make out well.

I'm tempted to put him up on the Transfer List


I jsut finished looking at HTPE and it appears as though formidable PM's are averaging 224 650 US$. On the bright side, brilliant PM's are averaging 549 435 US$. I have 2 complete teams that I am fielding currently so I could sell off a lot of the excess non-trainee players and stretch for the brilliant PM guy now.

[Tubby Rower]

currently I'm scheduled to auto-promote. The cut-off line is @ 28 points with +29 goal differential. I have 28 points with +43 goal diff.


I purchased a brilliant PM for $640 600. That basically put me $200k in the hole. but I'll need him eventually once I promote and I got him for around the average price. He's 27 years old, so I'll be able to keep him for a few seasons at least.

[Robboo]

hey nerd boy...any updates on your wing attacks data collection?

[Tubby Rower]

well wing attacks is taking longer than I expected... I think mainly because I have a lot of 20 yo. but the younger ones are taking long too. I did get a pop from one of my defenders too. This was due to injuries that allowed me to play this guy during the friendly match. :)

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[Robboo]

SO in your opinion can you make "enough" money off of it. And has it helped you win more games by allowing you to have a higher attack.

The reason for my interest is deciding which ( if any ) of my current trainees to keep. If this looks profitable and helpful in improving my team then I know which ones to keep. But it has to make more than PM.

[Tubby Rower]

well as of last night's update I only got one more pop Adriano Brunelli popped to formidable. I bought him for ~ $50k and now his TC is $200. The problem is that I needed to buy older trainees due to my monetary situation. 20yo seem to take a VERY long time to pop. This would have been the case for any set of trainees.

My plan with this situation really depends on what happens in my league this year. If I promote, I'm thinking of getting all of these guys up to a decent level and then selling all of them except enough for my A squad. Then I'm going to start training SP. If I don't promote, I'll continue training these guys or get some younger guys and continue wing attacks.

[Tubby Rower]

I had 4 guys pop last night. [dance] Now all of my trainees have at least passable winger skillz..
1 formidable, 3 solid and 6 passables

if you notice the locks in the position on the left, Gurmann wants to be a winger and Alders wants to be a IM. MY goal is to get everyone wanting to be a winger, which I think is doable before midway through next season except for Korkunc



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[Robboo]

what program is that?

[Tubby Rower]

Tomattrick. http://www.myhattrick.org/ It's a web based program so you can use multiple computers. So I can set my lineup while at work, then when I get home transfer it to hattrick.
My work blocks hattrick.org but not thiss site. They don't even block the ip address for hattrick.org, so I can search for things, but I can't login :(

it allows you to use it for free, but it limits the amount of HRF's that you can load. When you buy it (12 € per year which equates to approx. $15 iirc), you can load unlimited hrfs. it'll also graph stuff for you. if you want to peak into my account with them, let me know and I'll send you the pw.

[Robboo]

Sounds cool...especially the multiple computer thing. Work sorta frowns upon this stuff but since its a college its not blocked. In addition since my job is primarily field work, when it rains we are allowed to "play around" as long as the lab work gets done. I will give it a look see and probably spend some money....maybe.( beer might be a better use of money)

[Tubby Rower]

So now that I'm virtually assured of getting top spot in my league.. I can "adjust" my position in relation to the other division VI winners. I'll get $90k for winning the league and either $60k for a direct promotion or if I'm in a qualifier and win I'd get $20k.

Question is... what income should I expect from the Q-match? or does that go to the division 5 team that I play?

[sz_matyas]

You get half the gates from a Q-match, so I'd plan on $50K or so as a conservative estimate. More important you get training. On the other hand, given your team it would be a pretty tight match against most div V teams playing for relegation. If you want to see if you're ready to promote it might be an option to try and get the Q-match and see how it treats you. ot you can just autopromote and hope for the best either works

[Tubby Rower]

hmm... your right that I likely won't survive the jump to div. V I might have to start training straight wingers instead of wing attacks to get more midfield. If I stay in div 6 I likely won't gain too many more supporters as I'm only gaining 10 per match now and have 1282 currently. 130 extra supporters in one big swoop should be nice.

[sz_matyas]

You would get the extra 130 in one big swoop, but lose them in one big swoop when you demoted. Also your fan mood would be lower, causing you to not even get the 20/week you are now. I'm going to try and average 130 hatstats a game with a high in the 145-150 range before I think about promoting (hopefully next season, but we'll see who demotes and if I can beat him).

By not promoting this season you also know who exactly is in your league and should be able to make a clean sweep next season without much trouble. This would put you in div V to stay a season early (assuming you don't have bundles of assets to buy what you need to compete right now)

The other advantage to div V is crowds, but you already sell out most weeks and I haven't heard about any massive upgrades to 3 Mile Island. Basic message is don't get greedy and impatient as you have a great team that could kick mine around.

P.S. nice job attracting fans, despite being less than a season behind you in joining I'm barely across 1000 and noticing the slowdown in people joining.

[Tubby Rower]

I'll likely be upgrading to 20 001 seats during the offseason. But that's still not enough incentive. I'm also averaging and maxing around 130-135. Hatstats. I might sell off some trainees and go for winger training with all of my young guys.

What I intend to do is to keep my good forwards and put the PM wingers and scoring wingers in as my wing backs. I'll be playing 3-5-2 next season to increase my midfield and defense. My confidence stays up pretty high so my attack will hopefully be able to punch through the rest of the guys in my league if I indeed stay down in VI.426.

[Tubby Rower]

I just had the second pop on one player. looking at the last season, it appears as though wing attacks have a 7 week pop incubation period for 17 yo. unfortunately that means that some of my older trainees won't see the light of excellent. But that's ok. I think that what I might do is to start jsut training winger next season with this current lot of trainees. it might take some creativity and I'll have to work out the new lineups now to get the experience in the appropriate formations, but I think that I could use the current wingers as offensive wingbacks and the forwards as offensive wingers. I'll post more about this after I get things worked out.

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[socralynnek]

If I were you, I think I'd mainly play 3-5-2 or 4-5-1 (with or without CA) training wingers.
You can send in the occassional 4-4-2 which is always at excellent formation experience.
You get the formation experience up pretty fast, so a few friendlies or so with them might be enough to make the change. What are your experiences now?

[Tubby Rower]

ok here is my approximately best lineup when going with wing attacks
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and here is my estimated lineup for training winger only.
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conclusion... I could switch from wing attacks to plain winger and offload some of my older dudes. buy up some young whipper snappers and get more pops per season. [u]Pros</u>
1. I can still use my titanic SP guy without having to use up a training spot
2. defense is strengthened slightly
3. fewer training spots = less salary cost
4. faster pops

[u]Cons</u>
1. I lose a bit of attack
2. I'll likely lose some money in the whole transfer process
3. I can't do it right away due to getting a stadium upgrade

[socralynnek]

If you still want to play 3-4-3 in your first league matches while building up some experience in formation, that's ok also.
I mean, your best two wingers play as offensive wingers in the league match, the next two could play as FTW in the league and as pure wingers in the friendly (where you start with 3-5-2 for a few weeks), after three weeks or so, you can switch to 3-5-2 in the league and take the other formation you chose to go with in the friendly. (as I am typing this 4-3-3 CA might also be an option if your attack is nice enough)

Training wingers gives you the most tactical flexibility behind training keepers.
You have a lot of options to chose from...
( IMO only having 3-5-2 is a must, the other one you want besides 4-4-2 can be chosen pretty flexible, even 3-4-3 can be played, but that would weaken your central defense and midfield)

Remember: Those wingbacks could be played towards middle, if you want more CD.

The main question (for which I don't have a good answer):
What can one effectively do with the half-training-spot (wingbacks)

[Tubby Rower]

ya know.. i didn't think that there was too much of an increase for me to add the 3rd IM. it looks like it adds ~3 sub-levels. I forgot to put it back at away for valid comparison, but the midfield should be 2.7 wretched (high) instead of 2.9 wretched (very high).

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[Tubby Rower]

I also forgot about the 50% training for wingbacks... man that sucks. I thought that I had a flawless plan... I was beginning to wonder what in the world I was doing training wing attacks when winger was looking to be a no brainer [crazyeye]

[socralynnek]

that might be worth it.

If you are fielding 2 off.wingers and 2 strikers, you either need to play CA or you ned to have as much midfield as possible because otherwise those 4 offensive people will get no goal opportunities.

if you wanna have some strong defence, you might wanna consider playing 4-5-1 or 5-4-1 and probably AOW.
If you can't create chances, then having 4 attackers (2 attack and 2 off.W.) is just a waste.
So, in games where you are losing midfield by a larger margin, then either go CA or strengthen your midfield/defense by a large margin.
In games where you can get close to he opponennts midfield or even winning, then you can have those 2 strikers (or even 3)

[Tubby Rower]

Well as worried as I was about holding my head at least near the surface for the upcoming season. It looks as though I could tread water :) I did a little spying on my new competition and it looks really promising. The teams with green titles should be 2 wins for me, the orange team looks like an even match with me and the 3 reds are just an opportunity to PiC in the middle of the season ;) I have a decent shot at finishing 4th :D

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[akots]

Quite and easy league you have there. My average top 11 TSI is 22,000 and I barely managed to finish third the previous season. ;)

[Tubby Rower]

well Swim OSU has just been reset and given to a new owner. The new team has a total TSI of 4770. So that means that I'm a definite 5th with a possible 3rd :D No auto-relegation for me [dance]

[Tubby Rower]

I managed to pick up 2 17yo passable wingers with inadequate scoring for a total of $3k this morning :D I'll be selling a couple of my older trainees soon. I put in a bid for a cheap solid winger, but I had to leave to go to work and wasn't able to be there when someone out-bid me. I'm guessing that everyone is paying attention to the new YA and not looking for those 17yos as some solid wingers went for very cheap lately

[Socrates]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

I'm guessing that everyone is paying attention to the new YA and not looking for those 17yos as some solid wingers went for very cheap lately

I'm not starting my YA, but I'm currently recruiting my trainee army for this season, which means a lot of work, as I'm switching from GK to winger training. I'll comment on my work later this week when it is (hopefully) done, but I agree there are some good opportunities here and there.

[Tubby Rower]

I bought 4 solid winger 17yos for less (total) than I paid for some of my older guys with similar skill. The thing is that I was paying market value both times.

btw, I'm switching to flat out winger training after tonight. So I'll get 4 guys to pop 3 times this season and 4 guys to pop ~1.5 times. That's not too bad. Considering that I paid ~$10k on average for my new trainees. I'll be selling some of my older trainees after tonight's stamina training is in the system.

[Tubby Rower]

I just wanted to brag :D

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[Tubby Rower]

WEll I sold this guy after he has been on my team for a long time. I didn't start training him until he was on my team for a whole season. I bought him @ excellent I believe. He trained last season with wing attacks and this season as a defensive back until he popped last week.
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I got into a slight bidding war. The other guy kept bidding with just a few seconds to go so I made the last bid @ 2 seconds after the minute changed and I think that threw him off guard. I think that I got a steal regardless. This is the HTPE for his stats and he is the highlighted one.
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[Aggie]

That is a very cheap one you bought there!

[Tubby Rower]

He hasn't played any matches but will take on ynnek tonight for some training this week. I'm hoping that he's not a low solid.


Here are my current trainees. There is one guy playing wing back that should be a good FTW, but I didn't want to waste the 17yo's opportunities for quick pops. So I bumped him to the back field.
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[Aggie]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

He hasn't played any matches but will take on ynnek tonight for some training this week. I'm hoping that he's not a low solid.


I assume that he IS a low solid. I have a comparable player and after three weeks of training he has:

quote:Louis Nelissen (159029216)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Speciality: Quick

Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 730
Wage: 580 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: poor Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: solid Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

[Tubby Rower]

wow they are similar... thanks Aggie.

[Aggie]

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

wow they are similar... thanks Aggie.


No, thank you! Thanks to your overview of players I have a better understanding about the range within which a solid wing, passable passer moves.

[Tubby Rower]

I had 3 players pop this week including a non-trainee that was inserted in due to injuries this past week. Luckily the injuries are nearly healed and no training will be lost.

[Aggie]

I had 3 non wingers (midfielders and a forward) pop in the last two weeks. One is 22 and went from weak to inad, one is 30 and went from inad to passable, one FW is 21 and went from poor to weak!

Since I started I had one winger or WB pop per week, except for one week.

[Tubby Rower]

just rub it in :(

[Aggie]

Hmmm... I was just sharing info on winger training :) I only have experience in training GK and found these three pops amazing, especially since I didn't have the players on the wings at all...

BTW great that your replacement popped while replacing a trainee!

[Tubby Rower]

I was just kidding Aggie. ;) keep sharing.

[Aggie]

quote:Originally posted by Aggie

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

He hasn't played any matches but will take on ynnek tonight for some training this week. I'm hoping that he's not a low solid.


I assume that he IS a low solid. I have a comparable player and after three weeks of training he has:

quote:Louis Nelissen (159029216)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Speciality: Quick

Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 730
Wage: 580 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 1
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: poor Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: solid Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched


Louis Nelissen popped to excellent last Friday and has 1040 as TSI now. Maybe both aren't as comparable as we thought? I expected Louis to pop a bit earlier.

[Tubby Rower]

I've decided to put up one of my midfielders up for sale mainly because he's just taking up space
quote:Johann Eberle [playerid=76231837]
22 years, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is tranquil and dishonest.
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Speciality: Technical

Nationality: Österreich
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 170
Wage: 1 800 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: The Meltdown

Stamina: wretched Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: outstanding Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor


Her has low stamina if anyone is training stamina you could likely sell him for a profit if you get him up to passable or higher.

[Robboo]

I will look at him but no promises. I have three weeks of stamina coming up over the next 6-8 weeks.

[Tubby Rower]

ah I'm not worried. He should sell. I just thought that I'd let you guys know just in case it works in someone's training. I inadvertantly sold Mistfit a GK as the market was declining and he was barely able to break even after training him up a couple of notches. (not including salary). I'd rather that not happen again with someone that I know.

[mauer]

This seems very confusing. I signed up for it about 2 months ago, but haven't looked at it since. I got lost in all the confusing mumbo jumbo.

[Tubby Rower]

Mistfit walked me through it when I started and it helped me out. Before that I had no clue about soccer except that the point of the game was to put the ball in the net. I'll try to get online sometime this weekend and walk you through it....

[Tubby Rower]

I checked my league next season and my 1st round cup opponent....

out of the 3 weaklings in my group only one will be replaced by a non-weakling. The league winner won't likely be winning his Q-match so I'll likely be fighting for 5th instead of 4th next season unless something changes.\

My cup opponent averages about 90-100 Hatstats so I'll put my new future coaches inadequate leadership to good use by PiCing the first cup match.

[Tubby Rower]

I'm not sure what just happened but I got 2 extra terrestrial PM's for $153k (29yo) and $180k (25 yo). The problem is that I actually had 3 bids in on high PM's not expecting any to get through. one was out-bid, but these 2 I apparrently got for dirt cheap cuz people didn't want to pay the salaries during the off-season.

Now the question is ... what to do with them? The 25 yo (salary of $82k) is the one that I'd like to keep, but only has passable stamina. The 29 yo (salary of $78.6k) has excellent stamina. Does anyone need one? I could handle one of the salaries but not both for any length of time.

I'm putting up the 29yo (latest match had 7 stars as an IM defensively). Robert Martin (14649273) Deadline: 7/7/2007 at 20.05 If you don't want him, then ignore this post [:p]

[Tubby Rower]

This is mainly for Aggie.. and other winger trainers

I'm selling a few players to raise the funds for my new coach.

Fernando Sastre Miralles (121049238) - excellent winger, solid scoring and SP (old forward will be replaced by an older trainee who is better) - started @ 200k
Ángel Anania (156625481) - outstanding winger - started @ 400k

I'm also selling
Annunziato Zappoli (50554473) - formidable PM - started @ 150k iirc (don't really need him as I have 3 others &gt; outstanding)

[Aggie]

Thanks Tubby, I keep an eye on them!

Edit: One of my players is almost a copy of Angel, but has a 'head' speciality and needs three more weeks to pop to brilliant:

quote:Vasile Danciu (156411443)
18 years and 50 days, inadequate form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is calm and upright.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Speciality: Head

Next birthday: 18-09-2007
Nationality: România
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 620
Wage: 1 716 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: outstanding Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak

Career Goals: 2
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0

[Tubby Rower]

fwiw, here are teh results from the 3 players that were Transfer listed

Fernando Sastre Miralles -&gt; started @ $200k sold for $316k
Annunziato Zappoli -&gt; started @ $150k sold for $211k

Ángel Anania -&gt; started @ 400k but didn't sell.

[Aggie]

Nice prices for the two and as expected Angel didn't sell (at least I expected this). I haven't seen these high prices for these types of players for a long time.

[Tubby Rower]

well I did a transfer compare and figured I might get lucky. But I'll just hang on to him for a bit. I did manage to pick up a new trainee @ 17 and a few days old with solid winger and 640 TSI (weak PM & scoring).

[Aggie]

Good thing about the new age thing as that you can pick kids who are just 17 y.o. all the time.

[socralynnek]

Yes, and that should stop the extreme dfferences between 17yo at beginning of the season and at the end of the season which was irrational.

[Tubby Rower]

fwiw, I'm selling this guy quote:Marco Machado [playerid=147613158]
19 years and 1 days, inadequate form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Next birthday: 11/25/2007
Nationality: Portugal
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 050
Wage: 648 £/week including 20% Bonus

Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: excellent Defending: wretched
Scoring: excellent Set Pieces: poor
he's due to sell this afternoon. I listed him @ 180k and I'm not really sure what I'll get for him, but he has been bid on so he's sold for at least 180k.

[Tubby Rower]

I guess a bidding war presumed and Marco fetched a nice sum of 375k!!! Almost 2 x what I listed him for and about 150k &gt; than the TC said he was worth. a 3 team bidding war is very nice for profits as long as your not one of the 3 said teams :D

[Aggie]

Things have been changing and prices have gone up. I don't know how long it will last, but with training you actually can make a profit!