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Shabbaman
21-12-2005, 16:26
I'm just reading about A LOT of changes to the hattrick match engine next season! Check it out (and discuss)!

*click* (http://www51.hattrick.org/Common/editorials.asp)

Did everyone notice this?
quote:Match engine updates
12/21/2005

Next season, we will make the following 12 adjustments to the game engine. They will all take effect on January 2, 2006. We are making these changes in order to stimulate a broader use of different tactical (yet realistic) options, and to balance the game engine.

More natural field positions

1. Today, it can be hard to achieve balanced formations using repositioned players. To address that, players will now move into more “natural” positions on the field when a repositioning has been made. This applies to both the repositioned player as to players that are left behind. For example, inner defenders (ID) and inner midfielders (IM) will be considered centered on the pitch when there is only one ID or IM remaining in the formation. Today, the player keeps either his left or right side orientation when the second player is moved away, creating a small gap in the defense or the midfield. Similarly, if a team part is boosted by an extra player; this player will be considered centered as well. A left defender repositioned into a midfield position will not, as today, keep his left side orientation in the match simulation but rather play in perfect center of the field.

Centered IMs will contribute half of normal to wing defense, but they contribute to wing defense on both sides. Thus, you can say that they divide their wing defense contribution equally on both wings. Similarly, a centered ID divides his contribution to wing defense onto both wings, and centered IMs divide their contribution to wing attack to both wings.

Repositioned players, and players that are the only IM or the only ID will always be considered centered. Only those two groupd of players will be centered.

Defense modifications for midfielders and wingers

2. The contribution to wing defense from all inner midfielders is reduced by 30%, except for IMs playing "Towards wing" where the contribution is the same as before. This is in addition to any changes to "centered" IMs and IDs mentioned in 1).

3. The contribution to central defense from IMs is increased by 10%.

4. The contribution to wing defense is increased by 40% for wingers with order "Normal" and with 30% for wingers with order "Defensive".

Defense modifications for defenders

5. The contribution to wing defense from IDs is reduced by 8% and the contribution to central defense from them (IDs) is increased by 8%.

6. Inner Defender with order Towards Wing will have his contribution to wing defense reduced by 10% and his contribution to central defense increased by 10%.

7. Wing-Back with Defensive order will lose 20% of his contribution to central defense.

8. Wing-Back with order Towards Middle will increase his contribution to central defense by 20%.

Goalkeeper adjustment

9. We are making yet another small adjustment to the relative importance of keepers and defenders to the overall defense rating. The contribution of the keeper on defense will be reduced by 1%, and the influence of the defense skill of the defenders will increase by 1%.

New life for defensive forwards

10. The contribution from passing skill for forwards with order "defensive" will increase by 30%.

11. In addition to the increase mentioned in 10) above, forwards with defensive order that have the technical specialty will gain an additional 50% boost to the contribution of their passing skill to central attacks, and they will gain a minor contribution to wing attacks from passing skill. The thinking behind this is to help simulate the real-world option of the withdrawn forward (a central player between midfielders and forwards) who uses his sensitive foot to deliver great passes.

More flexible lineups

12. We will allow repositioning for wingers to inner midfielders. And we will allow repositioning for wing backs to inner defenders. However, be aware that a winger repositioned as an inner midfielder will only contribute slightly more to playmaking than a winger that is playing with towards the middle as his individual order. This means that the price of abandoning the flank entirely is very high, just in order to gain that very minor playmaking benefit. But from now on, at least it will be possible to go against that recommendation.


HT-Johan

(hope the link works, otherwise you know where to find it)

Added the text anyways - [meli]

socralynnek
21-12-2005, 16:47
The link works if you are on server 51. Otherwise just enter your server number or go to My Hattrick....
I don't know what to think of it. Especially about defensive WB. I have used them a lot. Now they are weakened.
Otherwise def. IM more to CD and less to side is nice and reasonable.
Now it's harder to get balanced defense sides. But that's ok if you look at the changes for strikers some time ago.
And they have almost unused options made usable. That's good.
I have no problem with the change, I hope.

Kingreno
21-12-2005, 16:55
Wow, that's one massive list. [:o]

Good for defenders I think. Even better for Defenders with Winger second skill.

On a side note, knowing what happened with past changes, this does not bode well for us. I can already see bugs as training loss and wrong in game calculations.[cry]

Kemal
21-12-2005, 16:57
Well, it would seem to me it might weaken your team if you use OCDs regularly, since the WBs won't be there to cover your hole in central defense anymore (or not as much as they used to).
Unless you aim for good defensive PMs of course, but then you sacrifice central attack since you'll no longer play IMs offensively...

As for the other changes, nice, but not much impact on my team I suppose. The wingers and PMs adding more to defense might be useful in some matches for creating ultra-defences using 5 defenders in the back line, plus 4 more defenders as WBD and IMD... and then a single striker. Maybe with a good set pieces taker and some specialities on your striker and wingers, this might be useful..?

The defensive forward still seems like a waste to me, whether he is technical or not. Maybe a great technical PM with solid+ passing might be worthwhile as defensive forward to boost midfield, especially for the 3-4-3 system? But those players would be very rare, I guess..

Shabbaman
21-12-2005, 19:27
Well, I don't know. A defensive forward strengthens your midfield, doesn't it? If you play 3-4-3 there's no problem in the offensive department. Maybe the added passing will even compensate for the loss in offence. But such a player is already hard to find, and it will probably get extremily difficult now.

yndy
24-12-2005, 08:24
I have a magnificent midfielder with solid passing and solid scoring. He's not Technical though...
I like the defensive FWD change, I understand the other changes had reasons behind and it appears that they ruined the strategy of some players that exploited some weaknesses. For example it appears that the influence of the defensive IM to side defense was very high, higher than one would normally imagine. Now it's 'fixed'. Or so they say...

Shabbaman
27-12-2005, 17:59
What should I be looking for in a defensive forward? Scoring, playmaking, passing, stamina, defending? Seems like a pretty allround player. I think I'm going to train one. I doubt if there's a market for defensive forwards, since it's only useful if you play with 3 attackers (unless you're really desperate), but it seems like a good way to boost midfield.

Besides, with that huge passing bonus, how much will the attack really lose?

Schip
28-12-2005, 01:12
Kemal, the second tactic you describe is called Catanaccio, used by our spaghetti-eating friends a lot, I doubt it's very usefull in Hattrick though, unless your playing Suca or somebody.

Shabbaman
28-12-2005, 15:12
I noticed I already have a trainee with solid PM, unfortunately he has weak passing. I'm looking forward to a worked out defensive forward calculation (read: updated HT ratings) to see what effect it might have.

I already noticed that such an allround player is hard to find. I'm not yet sure what the defining factor is in my transfer market search though. If it's stamina I guess more will show up at the start of the season.
Oh, defending is not of importance btw, for those wondering.

yndy
28-12-2005, 19:59
You don't really need defending unless you want to alternate his position between midfielder and defensive forward.
If you want to train one, you'd better look for a Technical player with scoring, playmaking and passing -passable- or above. I'm training one myself but he's not tehcnical. Will be excellent (or formidable) scoring, magnificent playmaking and solid passing.