*** SPOLIER *** team "Red nosed Orca"

[Rik Meleet]

This will be the spoiler for the 3x2 team match.

[Mistfit]

So do you want me to post my spoiler info here as well or should I start one for my civ in Mistfit's forum?

[Rik Meleet]

We can use this thread for both.

[Mistfit]

My initial thoughts on Civ's would be Iroquois and Arabs to have a great UU for both the begining of the game and the end... But if the game does not last until then that would kinda suck.

My second thought was to have the Iro's and the Japanese so whom ever had the Iro's could immediately see the horses...

what are your thoughts here?

Edit
Why can't I subscribe to this thread?

[Rik Meleet]

Mistfit's and my plan are for me to race for Monarchy (I am the only one with a head start due to Ceremonial burial) in this locked wars game, while Mistfit goes for the Wheel + WC + HBR. If Mistfit would have been the first Iroq nation to play, he would have tried the Philo-race. We decided that Monarchy is the best gov as War weariness will kill us in Republic.

Mistfit will protect himself and me with his Mounted Warriors till we have Astronomy. Conquistadores with their 6 movement, regardless of terrain (they evne have 6 movement in enemy lands) is so useful to take out the enemy kings (Regicide game) that it can be a possible game-breaker.

Here are my lands + minimap.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005913182230_Land 001.JPG
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005913182244_Minimap 001.JPG
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[Mistfit]

Nice start are you on a gold hill?

I will post my start when I get it... Hopefully tonight when I get home.

Do we post in the open thread every time we pass it on?

Edit after brief MSNChat:
No it is not a gold hill (normal grass)

Plan - Accept CB that Rik sent me. Gift my techs back to him. Start directly on wheel. should be less expensive due to Japan being in game.

[Mistfit]

My start with the help of Civ Assist

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005913195437_KDM.JPG

Not a lot to work with

[Mistfit]

Combined Minimaps of our two fledgling countries

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20059140440_RandM.JPG

I'm in the South

[Mistfit]

Hey Rik Next time you see me on line MSN me.

I can tell you how to change your forum to accept "subscribe to topic"

That is of course if you want lazy people that can't scroll down to your forum to be able to subscribe :D

Edit: nevermind you must have already changed it...

Edit #2 Nope it wasn't you it was anarres. He turned on The ability to make polls too [beer1]

Edit #3: grahamiam just posted the save I will play in about 2 hours

[Mistfit]

As Promised... My start. Arn't I a lovely shade of Pink [:p]


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200591515010_Start.jpg

[Rik Meleet]

Shame you have the same luxury as I have.
Let's explore towards eachother with warriors and the lands to our west and east with our kings and settle outwards (filling the land between our nations last). I see your king has moved westwards; I think this is good. We need to know if there is sea in the West or that some vile bunch of sub-humans is living there.

[Mistfit]

W-W-SW and SW-SW-SW of my King unit is Water. I presume ocean. With the ability to create warriors in 2-3 turns I don't think we should get to far with our kings. Scouting to our west and north I see as no problem. But I'd hate to find a wandering warrior with the King (although we could outrun them.

[Rik Meleet]

We are 11 tiles apart. According to BedHead enemies are about 13 tiles apart. I'm planning on scouting with the king some tiles away. Then return in an arc to scout the lands between you and me. So Eastwards, then swing southwards and return via your eastern borders back northwards.
If you go west, then north, then east and then south (on my western-border) we have good info on the lands to our west, between us and our east.

I'm not sure yet what to do if my king meets an enemy king...

[Rik Meleet]

Interesting developments - already

Grah didn't settle on the spot.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005915191151_land 002.JPG
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Here are my stats. By changing tiles to check I noticed that everyone has 2 shields. My Productivity = 10. I am still number 1 in that if I make my productivity 9. I'm 5th if I make it 8. So all other 4 teams that have settled are on 8 Productivity, assuming 4 are food then they have only have 4 commerce. That must mean no bonus resources for them yet. I'm a bit puzzled why my city center has 4 commerce; +1 for river, +1 for coastal, 1 in city center. Am I overlooking something here ? ??

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005915192523_city center 002.JPG
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/200591519125_stats 002.JPG
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[bed_head7]

Seafaring gives commerce bonus to coastal cities.

[Rik Meleet]

deleted double post.
I had already taken the seafaring bonus into account with the "+1 for coastal". I still count 3, not 4.

[Ginger_Ale]

I believe (99% sure, will check), that a city center gives 2 commerce. 1 for river, 1 for seafaring-coastal = 4.

[Mistfit]

Mistfit's suggestions for Riks expansion
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20059161530_my_suggestions.JPG
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[Mistfit]

We may have more land to the west than initially thought


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005916152531_2nd_one.jpg

[Rik Meleet]

My Queen went 2 tiles Eastward again. There's something that looks like a coast. This is confirm Mistfit's and my perception on how the map would be. A 15 tile wide strip of land which goes all around the globe. It's time for my Queen to move south from now on. Mist and I decided to scout with the kings about 6 tiles outwards, then turn towards the other and then complete the circle. This seems to be the safest way to explore with the King-unit while getting as much info for both as possible.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005917309_land 003.JPG
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[Socrates]

quote:Originally posted by Rik Meleet

deleted double post.
I had already taken the seafaring bonus into account with the "+1 for coastal". I still count 3, not 4.

Rik, I'm not having a deep look into your problem, but this thread :
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2080
should provide you the right answer (if the game isn't modded). Check Post #10 there (mine). I can help you if you don't understand or disgaree. :)

[Rik Meleet]

Mistfit: this is what your King discovered:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/200591801119_mist map 003.JPG
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[Mistfit]

Replayed the turn to the same spot you did. I even found the same thing once I got there :D

[Rik Meleet]

Just build warrior went West, Queen 1 tile further East (to verify the coast) and then south.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005921191759_land 004.JPG
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[Mistfit]

I don't know if it was an intentional play on words but...
quote:throne n.
A chair occupied by an exalted personage, such as a sovereign or bishop, on state or ceremonial occasions, often situated on a dais and sometimes having a canopy and ornate decoration.

A personage who occupies a throne.
The power, dignity, or rank of such a personage; sovereignty.
quote:
throw
v. threw, thrown, throw·ing, throws
v. tr.
To propel through the air with a motion of the hand or arm.
To discharge into the air by any means: a machine that throws tennis balls; ash that was thrown by an erupting volcano.
To hurl or fling with great force or speed: threw themselves on the food; jetsam that had been thrown up onto the shore.

To force (an opponent) to the ground or floor, as in wrestling or the martial arts.
To cause to fall off: The horse threw its rider.
Informal. To cause confusion or perplexity in; disconcert or nonplus: We didn't let our worries throw us.
To put on or off hastily or carelessly: throw on a jacket.

To put (suddenly or forcefully) into a given condition, position, or activity: threw him into a fit of laughter; threw some supper together; threw her leg over the arm of the chair.
To devote, apply, or direct: threw all their resources into the new endeavor; threw the blame onto the others.
To form on a potter's wheel: throw a vase.
To twist (fibers) into thread.

[Rik Meleet]

Just my imperfect English ...

[Mistfit]

Not giving you a hard time at all. It's my first (and only) language and I screw it up all of the time. But you know that from my posts and MSN Chatting :D

[Mistfit]

I will be gone Fri through monday. I've requested that the turns be sent to you after tonight. I hope that that is OK.

Edit:
I've got this turn! I will play in 3+ hours.

Have a great time this weekend. I'll talk to you Mon

[Mistfit]

Warrior made - He heads East

King heads north and finds another inscense :D

I cannot load Pic's as my connection is to crappy tonight

I will try to do it later

[Rik Meleet]

Tubby has a size 2 city.

This is what my Queen spotted:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/200592404459_land 005.JPG
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Seems the mountain range is a handmade natural barrier.

[bed_head7]

Well, the whole thing is handmade...

[Mistfit]

Back. I will play this this evening. Sorry for the extended leave.

[Mistfit]

Edit:
Here are pic's of the east and west.

1.) should I pop the Hut? I vote for yes.
2.) How far East should he go before North?

Note: I mm'ed Mistfitzia after the Pic was taken. Warrior in 1 Growth in 3.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200592833550_East.jpg
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I'll have to post the other tomorrow I can't get it to load today.

[Rik Meleet]

Pop the hut (but not with a king).
The hut is already a bit far East, but it will do if you go north from there. My Queen is around there somewhere, scouting. The lands between our cities need to be scouted as well.

[Mistfit]

West: Look at all of the luxes there!

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005928141120_west.jpg
If you post a map zoomed out from your cap at the center I can merge the map with one that I do next turn to see where we are at.

[Rik Meleet]

Interesting fact; I just build my 2nd warrior and I am strong compared to everyone else; except Tubby's Persia. Compared to him I am average. His growth to size 2 was also 1 turn too early. This must have given him an extra shield which finished his warrior perfectly.
I'm now going for a settler.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005928181314_land 006.JPG
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I zoomed back in after taking the screenshot.

[Mistfit]

Good reminder about the zooming!

[lol] I like the rename

[Rik Meleet]

Mist: When can I expect the merged map ?

The new map (I changed to worker afterwards)

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005104181613_land 007.JPG
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[Mistfit]

Mist: When can I expect the merged map ?

erm... sorry about that. I thought I sent the file to work (where my graphics programs are but I did not. I will do so when I play my next turn.

So you think a worker before the next settler is the way to go?

[Rik Meleet]

I have very low shield output. I need to mine to get the settler quickly. If I'd continued with the settler I'd still 4 or 5 turns away with a big city. Besides that; the settler would have reached it's destination over non-roaded lands with the lux onconnected. I think this way I can do it only slightly slower, while gaining a much needed worker.
Minor reason: It keeps my city on size 2, disguising the fact that I have a cow and irrigated floodplains.
It is just a hunch.

[Mistfit]

Let's keep our collective fingers crossed for somthing besides barbs out of the Goodie hut.

[Rik Meleet]

What hut ?

[Ginger_Ale]

From Sept. 28th, by Mistfit:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200592833550_East.jpg

[Mistfit]

Thanks GA.... Yup thats the one. Except I'm one spot closer now :D

[Mistfit]

Good News on the Hut (I guess) A pleb warrior
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051064130_warrior.jpg

Here is my zoomed map. I will paste them together in the morning

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200510641546_zoomed.jpg

[Mistfit]

This is as best as I can come up with. I think it is within a few pixles of being correct.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200510613478_combo.JPG

[Rik Meleet]

Queen S - W. Warrior further W.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005106214033_land 008.JPG
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[Mistfit]

Update:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005106215146_combo2.JPG

[Mistfit]

Finished worker. Started Granary. Wheel in 3 turns.

conscript will head W

Other Warrior in E will head south and West to scout south of my cap

Cap warrior to head north

King to head SE and S.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051095130_Map.jpg
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[Rik Meleet]

Map:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/200510912386_Combomap 008.jpg
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[Rik Meleet]

Here are mine and Mist's F11 screens (mine of the start of the turn, Mistfit's in the middle of the turn).

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/200510913153_F11 008.JPG
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We are trailing in MFG goods, but since we both build a worker that should be improving soon.
Productivity is ok, but everyone is around the 12-13.
If we bring Mist's MFG's to max (4 megatons) he is still only 3rd. That means that 2 civs are on 5 shields per turn. In accelerated production that is awesome as it is a warrior or worker every turn. A settler in 3.

[Rik Meleet]

New map. Updates come really quickly

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005109204325_Combomap 009.jpg
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[Rik Meleet]

I got a tech! Speeding on towards Monarchy.
I won't give it to Mist yet, as that only cheapens it for our enemies. And my scouting warrior discovers more luxuries.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051010151221_Myst.JPG
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Mist the combomaps are getting messy. Time to do a new combomap ?

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051010151254_map 010.JPG
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[Rik Meleet]

Dotmap. What do you think of it, Mist ?

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051011162652_dotmap 011.JPG
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BTW: I'm going on holiday in a few days. That means that you'll have to take over. My city is on a 3 turn growth cycle. turn 1&2: 3 food. Turn 3: 4 food and growing in the IBT. Please make sure that is done while I'm away as well ;)

[Ginger_Ale]

Rik, you take too many holidays ... ;)

[Mistfit]

well your dot map certainly look colorful :D I cannot really
disagree with anything you have there.

I was looking at my neighborhood and has these thoughts.

1.) plant my first settler near the spices to the SW of Mistfitzia
I will put it on which ever of your 3 cirles are not a BG. It seems
like 2 of them are.

2.) I put my ideas of worker turns. I think they are solid.

3.) Southern warrior heads SW and then west to bust the fog S of Mistfitzia

4.) The King will keep heading towards Mistfitzia S

5.) the East Warrior will continue along high ground busting the fog towards the enemy

6.) The northern warrior will ??? erm... head back to the cap?
So you have a better idea here? I'd like to get the lux down to speed
my research but let me know what you think.

7.) do you agree or disagree with the Granary build in Mistfitzia?
Settler 1st?

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051011221647_dottie.JPG

[Mistfit]

I will need to know the dates you will be gone and your gmail account info (if thats the way you want to do it)

[Rik Meleet]

I'll be gone from Saturday October 15th till Saturday October 29th.
You will not get access to my gmail account; instead I'll ask Grahamiam to send the saves to you, ok ?

1) I couldn't distingiush BG's from non-BG's.
2) Please do
3) excellent
4) excellent, protection + MP
5) excellent
6) West, please. I think the land to the west is interesting as it appears there is quiet some land to the north, so perhaps none to the South-West. We need to know if we are safe from that side or not.
7) I am very much in doubt myself. I chose for Settler, but I could just change to Granary next turn, before the settler finishes. I honestly don't know. Granary seems a bit superfluous when you only need 10 food to grow anyway.

[Mistfit]

I put what my workers were going to do in the map

Northern one finish road and work the cow. then turn and go SW SW to work the second BG

Southern one will mine BG he's on and then road towards the new town site prolly irrigating the FP on the way. Then to the Spice. Prolly chopping for a Rax...

[Mistfit]

I will get Tubby to send me your saves whilst you are gone


Graham plays after you but before me

Edit:

New Map. Hut Spotted. Is there a chance I could pop Myst from the Hut?
If there is you might wanna gift it 2 me in a turn.

I changed to a settler as it works out to 3 for growth and 3 for the settler at size 4.

I will prolly make a warrior next as it will take at least 10 turns to get a warrior back to my cap. That is another reason to wait on the Granary


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005101243534_with_HUT.jpg
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Reminder so self... Look at the likely placement of the other teams
on the map as we are prolly all spread equally. Also plan to take the southern most route into where the other team is. Might just slip in
unnoticed

[Mistfit]

Oh yeah I'm strong against Barbu Tubs and Graham and Average against you and Whomp

[Pastorius]

Is there a chance I could pop Myst from the Hut?

There is if your name was Mystfit ;)

[Rik Meleet]

Is there a chance I could pop Myst from the Hut? -> Please check in CA2 what the cheapest tech is, next turn. If that is Myst; I will send it to you before you pop the hut. It would be very wasteful to pop Myst.

[Mistfit]

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200510121418_guess.JPG

OK here's what we know...

1.) You and I are 11 tiles away from each other
2.) On the Minimap from F4 (I think) we are 43 Pixles apart
3.) It seems as if the map was planned well as far as spacing goes

So...

Some figuring.

If you and I are 43 pixles apart (11 tiles) the whole map seems to be
299 pixles wide (76 tiles)

Divide that by 3 teams (if spaced evenly) is 97.73 pixles (25.3 tiles) apart from each team...

I've plotted them on the mini map. My guess is that this is very close.
The only thing we don't know is where we are north and south on the map.

That being said my plan with my Eastern Warrior is to head SE until I
hit the ocean. Go East until I'm 25 tiles away from home and then head straight north in hopes of catching someone unawares.

Sound Logical?

[Rik Meleet]

yes

[Mistfit]

That is what I like about you Rik.... Short and to the point :)

[bed_head7]

quote:Originally posted by Mistfit

That is what I like about you Rik.... Short and to the point :)


Who you calling short?

[Rik Meleet]

Mist: since you haven't told me whether Mysticism is the cheapest tech for you and I'm not exactly sure when you are going to pop the hut; I did send you the tech + preaccepted it. Afterwards I checked my save with CA2 and both Bronze and Warrior code are cheaper than Myst. So Please do not accept the tech.

I decided to delay my settler 1 turn as to let the city growth coincide with the production. I'll use these tiles this turn and next turn:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/200510131355_laborer allocation 012.JPG
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And my part of the map:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/200510131418_land 012.JPG
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[Rik Meleet]

And the Combomap.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005101311410_Combomap 012.jpg
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[Mistfit]

sorry about that rik but I did not have a save with me at work so I could not check

I will not accept the tech

[Mistfit]

I will try to play the turn tonight as soon as I get home 5-7 P.M. EST GMT -4 in hopes of you getting a turn in before your absence.

If anything really major happens do you want me to wait or should I just play as I best see fit?

[Rik Meleet]

quote:Originally posted by Mistfit

If anything really major happens do you want me to wait or should I just play as I best see fit?
I'll be back around the 29th or 30th of October. If a major thing happens on 27 or 28 October, it might be ok to wait. If it happens before then; you can handle it. It's no use halting the game over this.
And frankly; I wouldn't know what major things could happen. Enemies appearing ?? -> Well we expect that to happen.

[Rik Meleet]

played my last save; Mistfit check your mail for my comments ;) .

[Rik Meleet]

OK, I'm back and ready to play. Mist can you please tell me what happened during my vacation ?
I'll wait with playing until I'm updated sufficiently to not make stupid moves.

[Mistfit]

Rik ~
Turn 3350BC -
TobtV Settler to Granary due in 8
Queen - SW - SW
Settler E
Warrior S
Poly Due in 24
63 points
3 food/4shield

Turn 3300
Southern Worker roads
Settler SE-E to spice tile
Queen E-E
Northen Warrior SW
3 food/4shield

Turn 3250
Queen Nw NW towards Cap
Settler E
Western Warrior SW
4 food/2Shield

Turn 3200
Queen back to Cap
Settler settles Applousia starts warrior (4 food 1 shield)
Western warrior W
Lux to 0% Science to 100% Poly due in 10
3 food/ 5 shield Granary in 4

Turn 3150
Cap worker moves to cow
Western Warrior W
3 food/ 5 shields

Not a lot of excitement:

In short It does not look as if I have any horses close... I'll post a map after my next turn. I am circling to the SE with my warrior by graham. He's placed a second town. He's average to me so he's prolly got 4 warriors as well. I will be heading towards him in a turn or 2.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005102942328_MY_EWAR.jpg
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For you...
I plunked down the town for you. You will have spices on line in 2 turns. and your western warrior is heading west. Not much excitement yet.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005102942410_W_Warrior.jpg
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[bed_head7]

Any chance of an updated known world map?

[Rik Meleet]

I found Whomp. Too bad he can see me now, so no chance to kill a settler or raze a city. But it will delay him, I hope.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051029121420_Whomp.JPG
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And here is the Combomap:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051029121450_Combomap 019.jpg
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[Mistfit]

I still have hopes that there are horses 4 or 5 tiles NE of Mistfitzia


Edit:
Well I've got no Horses closer than the ones 1/2 way to Graham... Hopefully those are his only ones as well. I will start to build a chain of cities that direction I guess.

I will post an updated dot map idea for me for you to look over after my next turn.

Also Next turn I will be peeking at Graham's 2nd city :D

I have 4 turns left to get HBR... What next?

[Mistfit]

Well Interesting turn

I'm 3 from HBR. Building 2 Rax right now although I may switch my second city to a worker

I think I will place my 3rd city where he sits so he can share the cow.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005114183234_Home.jpg
Cities after that... Do you think I should start to like my way towards the horses or just play like normal and place one towards the Lux's in the west?

OH Yeah! Lookie what I found [karate]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005114182810_Lookie.jpg

[Rik Meleet]

Nice !!

I forgot; This is the situation with Whomp. I figured out that I have no chance against the archer at all, even if I am fortified on a mountain. So I just go bug him and his workers and settler, while evading his archer. His archer and settler are both on the indicated tile.

If his archer moves S, I'll move north. If his archer moves E, I'll move W. If his archer goes SE; I'll move south, to continue exploring the fog and threaten to enter his lands through the mountains.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005114194926_Whomp 020.JPG
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Cities: You need horses, no doubt about that. They are far more important than luxuries at the moment. What a shit-map if the other Iroquois players do have horses and you don't...

[bed_head7]

quote:Originally posted by Rik Meleet
What a shit-map if the other Iroquois players do have horses and you don't...


Thanks for the confidence in my map making abilities.

[Rik Meleet]

Bed_head; that came out worse than I intended. It was not meant as non-confidence in your map-making skills.

In-game: the Whomp-area. I fear my warrior is toast due to an archer-attack. Perhaps Whomp is afraid to strike me immediately. I hope so.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2005117144938_Whomp 021.JPG
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[Wosret]

im really ansious to know about Mystfit and the Iro non defended city :D hehehe

[Mistfit]

It had a defender in it by the time I got there.

That of course does not mean that I cannot make myself a nuisence [mistfit]

[Rik Meleet]

Whomp killed my nuisance. He was jsut there to borrow a cup of sugar. Whomp murdered him ...

[Mistfit]

HBR is due in 1 Turn

I'm thinking of swinging back around SW - W - NW - N with my warrior. To get between the 2 new cities of grahams
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005111316650_Graham.jpg

Southern Combo Map


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005111316850_southern_combo.jpg

[Rik Meleet]

You need horses. But "2" might be undefendable. Please check for horses to your west. There must be some closer than on site "2".

[Mistfit]

will do

[Mistfit]

I screwed up Rik. When I MM'ed my cities for production last turn I did not look at what that did to my research. I did not complete HBR. Sorry for thae screw up... It will be done next turn. I will start immediately on BW.

[Rik Meleet]

Bad news. Especially in such a close game as this game will be. 1 turn might just be what we cannot afford.
OTOH, don't let this spoil the game for you. We have a headstart on Monarchy, which could negate this. And at least you got a few gold to make up for it.

Found horses yet ?

[Mistfit]

It will be at least 5-6 turns before I can see any fogged area

[Rik Meleet]

I did an analysis on the tech cost. See attached excel file.
I am the only one with Myst. Everybody has The Wheel. Iron is known to 2 civs. On turn 2 o 3; someone popped a hut with CB. Only 2 civs have HBR, so we can expect Mounted Warriors. Noone is doing a philosophy race; writing was not learned till turn 21.

If you can check you "c" and "d" saves; we might even know what team learned what. Elementary, Dr Watson !!

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[Rik Meleet]

Turn 31 update.

I'm expanding at the moment, while not neglecting units, nor workers. Workers are very important in this setup as cities grow quickly and are using many tiles which all have to be improved. I'm gearing my capital up to a 2 turn settler factory, with 5 food and 6 (+1 on growth) and 7 (+1 on growth) shields.

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[Mistfit]

Update time (2510 BC)

State of the Despotism....

Mistfitzia consists of 3 towns
2 settlers on the way
3 workers
7 warriors
3 Archers
1 Gilgamesh :D (king unit)

I am strong against Rik, Barbu, Whomp.
I am Average against Tubs
I am weak against Grahamiam

I just finished Iron Working (sent it to Rik)
Suprisingly I have Iron under one of my towns... Now I just need horses.
and started Masonry (4 turns at 40% - per Rik we are the only not to know it)

My kingdom makes 21 gold gross. I am running 30% lux (till first lux gets hooked 3 turns) so net gain is zero GPT

My Core:
The spice (or what ever that lux is will be roaded next)

The worker S of Bafoonton is taking a little longer route to hook up the town for 2 reasons:
1.) it makes travel between the cities easier as there is no river x-ing
2.) when he was produced there were barbs standing at Bafoontons doorstep
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005121445750_Core.jpg

What should I do with my King? Plunk him down for MP? explore more?

East:
I am in desparate need of horses! Without them Rik says we will lose this game for sure.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200512145445_Out_East.jpg
Plan: To the east of me (on grahamiam's doorstep) is the closest horses to me. I currently have a settler 2 turns away from the
site. I will hold him up for reinforcements as he is only guarded by one archer. 2 turns behind I will have another archer and warrior
available to escort. A 4th escort is one turn behind them.

Go settle that and do some praying...

Note: I did just now see Rik's borders to the NE of Bafoonton. They are 5 tiles north of me)

Out west:
I saw a single Barbu warrior to the West of me but has since disapeared.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200512145553_Out_West.jpg

[mistfit]

[Mistfit]

Bad to worse...

My horses have been claimed...

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200512221438_Bad_News1.jpg

I can see 2 options:

1.) Put a city 1/2 way between Tonawanda and Bafoonton (NE of lake) -and build an invasionary force to take Tonawanda by force.


2.) Start building north to connect with you to grab your second horse

Neither of which are great options but...




On the Western Front Barbu's warrior showed back up..

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005122214826_Bad_News2.jpg

[Shabbaman]

Hmmm... iro's with horsies... [hammer]

[Mistfit]

Unfortunately I'm iro's with no horses [mistfit][hammer]

[Rik Meleet]

:( If we are without horses for you, and the other Iro's do have horses we might as well be dead.

[Mistfit]

I do not see where I have been given a hell of a lot of choice in the matter.

I personally am not willing to give up the ship quite yet. I can make my best attempt at making sure grahamiam does not get any MW's on line.

Other than that do you have any sugestions? Or are you ready to give up?

[romeothemonk]

A few, read 2-3 swords could really mess up Tonawanda.
There are Mts and hills around it, so I would really camp on the hills and Mts' then sally forth every now and again.
He can have those ponies, you just can't let him hook them up.

[Rik Meleet]

The map:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051222202254_laatste.jpghttp://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051222201627_West1.jpghttp://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051222201643_west2.jpghttp://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/20051222201346_Center.jpg

I thought Grah already had 1 extra horses connected. It seems that is not the case.

[Mistfit]

Maps are getting to big to put in as one so i split them


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[Mistfit]

This was before I MM'ed the towns btw...

Mistfitzia Settler and growth in 2

Bafoonton Settler and growth in 3

The mini stack 4xNW of Bubbaton has a settler in it. I plan on placing it 1xN of his current location to incorperate the river/wheat/dye

The next after that will be filling the gap between us. Any ideas on where the best lcations are?

I was thinking 3xS + 1xSW of FoP to get the incense (not much else is great land there.

Do you want Masonry?

[Rik Meleet]

3xS + 1xSW of FoP -> I'll have trouble defending there. And it won't get the Incense.
I was thinking of my city 6x SE of FoP (= 3 x S of my other city "Silver Lining"). That location is 3xN + 1xNW of Bafoonton.
Yours can go 2xN + 1xE of Bafoonton or 2xN + 1xNE of Bafoonton.

Masonry: I think so; but I'll have to check.

[Mistfit]

I for some reason thought the plan was to connect our cities on the West side of the Mountains. This plan of yours works better as you only have 2 tiles to road and I have 3 to connect.

I was off by one tile as to where the incense city would be.

I think this is a good plan.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051230172534_dottie.JPG

[Mistfit]

My connection town will be in place in 5 turns.

I forgot to send you Masonry... sorry


I will do so next turn.

Is it not normal PBEM game ettiquette to let a player know when you kill one of their units?

Graham killed my cArcher on the mountain to the south of the Horses.
anyway Happy New Year

[Rik Meleet]

Yes, if there is a fight between players, a battlelog has to be given.
Either Grahamiam forgot that or he didn't kill your archer. Were there barbarians around ?
Best is to just PM Grah and ask if he killed your archer.

[Mistfit]

I pm'ed him... He is the culprit [backstab]

quote:sorry, yes.

rWarrior kills cWarrior on mountain (2/3)

[Mistfit]

I've sent you Masonry...yup I remembered this time

This pic speaks for itself

Working on clearing the north for settlers


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[Rik Meleet]

Fuck, again forgot to send you Myst ...

Techs that all 4 opponents have (and we don't): Writing, Maths.

[Mistfit]

My vWarrior died attacking the cBarb warrior. I cannot see the area between us. I have more troops headed that way with a settler.

Barbu's warrior is now 2W - 1NW of Bafoonton. Beware

[Rik Meleet]

ok, thx

[Mistfit]

Hello Rik...

I received Myst (It was not preaccepted so I added 15 gold to it and Pre-accepted it back - I hope that was not wrong)

Math due in 1

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The Green dot = rWarrior Barbu
Yellow Dot = cWarrior Grahamiam
White Dot = cWarrior + cHorse Barb

nPink Dot = vWarrior + Settler Me
sPink Dot = vSword + 3 Workers Me

I stepped north with my settler first (I know it was a big mistake...)
There across the river was Grahamiam on the east and to the west a healed barb + a new horse.
I may very well lose the settler.
There was no way around it after I made the mistake of moving with my settler first.
I will just have to cross my fingers and hope.

[Rik Meleet]

You'll be fine. Grah's consript warrior attacking across a river on your vet warrior is 89% chance of success for your warrior.
If the barb horse attacks your sword + workers you have nearly 78% of winning. And then there's the chance it'll retreat.

Weird that you didn't get Myst, Mist. I would have sworn I pre-accepted.

[Mistfit]

What was even weirder is that in the Diplo box Myst was listed 2 times... I took a screenie of it but forgot up upload it from home...

[Mistfit]

I received Poly

No attack from Grahamiam (as you predicted) He is however standing on the spot I wanna settle.

I will be gone Sunday thru Wed on business. I will request that the saves be sent to you as well as me.

[Mistfit]

I also presume I forgot to send you Math. (boy are we a forgetful bunch here) I started on Construction

[Rik Meleet]

I build 2 cities this turn + moved a settler + spear onto the horses. A settler is following to build a connecting city. In 1 turn I'll be a monarchy. Send you Monarchy (pre accepted) as well.
I left a spear where it was, to force Grah to move away -or- next to your sword.

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I spotted Tubby's borders. And I spotted a Whompian archer. I won't try to sneak up on Tubby as his lands are probably well defended now and I might need my warrior for protection of my horse-city.

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[Rik Meleet]

Played your turn. Killed Grah's warrior to give your settler safety on his way to its city-site. 2 workers are protected by a fortified reg warrior, Barbu might take them.

BARBU IS IN ANARCHY !! -> that means he has Monarchy and revolting to it. I gift you Monarchy and revolted as well. IIRC 5 turns.

[Mistfit]

Ok Update time:

Currently somewhere around 2070 BC.

I am in anarchy with 3 turns left

This is my core:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2006124182153_mist.jpg

My biggest concern right now is the fact that Grahamiam has just connected up his horses. he is Iro. I am sending some troops that way to mess with him a bit.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2006124182312_G_Horse.jpg

[Mistfit]

Writing received
HBR sent
Sword from Howdy Neighbor sent North to clear the path between us.
Sending a small troop fo men towards Grahamiams horse town (actually my town) to cause trouble

2 turns of anarchy left

[Rik Meleet]

Here you see me gifting Mistfit my only horses.

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[Rik Meleet]

Mist send me Iron.

My empire, with Tubby's and Whompers approaching.

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Mist: I send you Code of Laws + gold. I have enough gold myself, right now. Perhaps you can use it to rush MW's.

[Rik Meleet]

Tubby moved his archer + spear + 3 cats next to my city - so we fought.

Battle log
4/4 horse VS 3/3 spear - cat takes 1 hp of horse. spear = 2/3, horse retreats 1/4
5/5 horse Vs 2/3 spear - cat takes 1 hp of horse. spear = 2/3, horse retreats 1/5
3/3 archer Vs 2/3 spear - cat takes 1 hp of archer. spear dead, archer 2/3
3/3 warrior vs 4/4 archer - archer dead - warrior 1/3 - promotes to 2/4
3 catapults captured.

- I would have attacked with spears, if neccesary.

[romeothemonk]

Nice job on the pult capture. Nothing quite like free troops.

[Rik Meleet]

I had a scouting warrior near Barbu. Barbu killed it.

In Barbu's territory:
Catapult bombards 3/3 warrior -> 2/3 Warrior
4/4 archer attacks 2/3 Warrior -> 0/3 warrior and 5/5 Archer

[Rik Meleet]

Tubby sends in a stack of 6 Immortals. I can't hold them at Starry Starry night when they are on the mountains so I'm going to abandon Starry Starry Night next turn. I can hold Tubby at Saxonian Phone booth.

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[Mistfit]

Ok are the FuzzyRowers planning a coordinated attack?

I am currentlty not wanting active war but I am pumping out MW's at a pretty good clip.

Grahamiam has 10 units visable from my Eastern edge.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200639487_Battlefield.jpg

[Rik Meleet]

It seems to me that you can withstand an attack with archers and spears. Since Grahamiam is way to experienced and intelligent for this; do expect a Mounted Warrior stack between our lands.

[Mistfit]

I kicked off my GA. I whacked a rWarrior of Grahamiams to do so.

Battle Log:
South-east of Clown-R-Us vMW Kills rWarrior on hill no damage to MW no promo



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20063114422_Before.jpg

This is my economy after the GA started.

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I sent you 40 gold to help with your Research.

I figure I can get Feud and Engeneering and posssibly one other while you get Mono and the next one.

[Rik Meleet]

I've spotted a Grahamiam archer - warrior pair. I'll have horsemen around quickly enough, but if you have units wandering around with nothing to do: be my guest.

There are also 2 Immortals visible near the resettled "Starry starry night" - now Logrono Passage. They might get annoying - if there turn up more. Luckily I have 3 cats there.

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[Rik Meleet]

Tubby just won't stop...

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Mist: I'll get Monotheism next turn. I could use a little cash (10 or 15 gold) to rush walls and upgrade some spears to pikes.
I can't send you Iron, probably because I'm getting yours. So no Iron for you for 5 more turns. :(

Be careful to not send too many troops to my lands and between our lands; Grah might get you for that.

[Mistfit]

I'll see what I can do. The gold is no problem. Can I yank the iron from you? Cut the deal?

It seems like I have a MW or 2 near grahamiam's pair but I think you may be on your own with Tubby for a turn or 3.

[Rik Meleet]

Monotheism is learned and gifted to Mist. Since Mist can research quiker; he'll go Theology -> Edycation -> Astronomy for my UU. I'll be going the Eng -> Inv -> Gunpowder way.

While Whomp is surprisingly quiet (either attacking Tubby, or massing forces) Tubby is at me again. If he goes north, I'll follow. If he goes south; I'll try to keep my mountain, while attacking with retreatable horsemen.

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[Mistfit]

I have been chipping away at grahamiam... He had a stack set on the mountain to the south of Muppets Bane. (see post# 10 this page)

I have 5 cats that have been plinking his spears each turn. If I get the top one down one hp I attack once with a MW. If he kills it great if not I wait til the next turn (not wanting to give him elite spears by attacking 2 times in a turn)

Last turn I took one spear from him... this turn was better :D

quote:Warlog 1275BC

vMW flawlessly kills rWarrior along the coast sitting on a mountain 2NW 8SW of Akwesasne

5 cats take 2hp from one spear and 1hp from the other on Muppets Bane Mountain.
vMW kills 3hp vSpear -1hp (no bombard damage)
vMW kills 2hp vSpear -1hp (-1 bombard damage archer)
vSword kills vArcher -2hp (-1 bpmbard damage archer)
vSword kills vArcher -3hp (-1bpmbard damage archer)
vMW flawlessly kills vArcher (no bombard)
vArcher kills rArcher -2hp

This actually puts Grahamiam at weak to me... which is nice as it may give me a chance to get a bit ahead of him...

I started on the next tech above Mono... I can't think of it's name off hand but it will prolly take me 6 or 7 turns.

[BCLG100]

Just from glancing down this thread ive noticed you 2 are playing a defensive game, what are you planning on doing in terms of attack? mist could you not build up your army in your GA for an attack, my apologies if you've already thought of this.

[Mistfit]

We are playing a defensive game for the time being. Rik is the Spanish and if we can get him to his UU (conquistadores) we will be able to mop up on the rest (or so the theory goes)

[romeothemonk]

Are you planning on slowly filling space?

IS someone going for the ToA? That could be huge here.

I agree Rik's conquistadors could be pure evil, espicially for assainating workers.

[Rik Meleet]

I am still building settlers once in a while. I think at the moment I have 2 or 3 on their way. But since I am weak (or average at best) to all other players I must be wary of a large invasion. That means I have little options of sneaking in settlers and I certainly see no room for a TOA here.

Conquis are just awesome with their 6-moves-regardless-of-terrain. That means 5 moves+1 attack or move-attack-retreat 2 tiles. And just imagine a Conqui-army: 9 tiles to be pillaged every turn.

[Pastorius]

Can we get a large map? A Rik-Mist combo map if necessary.

Is Mist protecting your weak ass Rik? [:p]

What about making a Maginot line there in the mountains - or is that too costly?

[Rik Meleet]

Is Mist protecting my weak ass? I hope so .... :) I know the enemies realise that if I get my UU I have a lot of flexibility and simply having that UU forces them to keep some defenses up 6 tiles deep into their lands. And that I can do ghost-attacks; without being visible I can attack a stack or a unit and leave without a trace. (virtually).

The strategy from the start was that he keeps me alive till Conquistadores and we'll go berserk with them. Since he is in Golden Age, he is researching the path to Astronomy. We even decided that getting 3 start techs instead of 4 was worth the awesome flexibility of the Conquistadore. And: it's a civ not often played in PBEM's, so it's a refreshing choice. :D

[Mistfit]

@Rik - if you email me a map or maps of your lands to the n c h t c 3 (a t) c h a r t e r (d o t) n e t I will piece them together this weekend.

[Rik Meleet]

Tubby has learned from his fiasco and is amassing a considerable force. Grah is average compared to me, Msit is strong and so is Tubby. Msit, can you keep some forces (let's say the 4 MW's you have in the border zone) close to Logrono passage?

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[Mistfit]

yeah I thought maybe the Mountain to the SE of your Logrono stack? That sound good?

btw... grahamiam was average to me before last turn :D

EDIT: If it is not too much trouble please send me a screenie of your mini map from the Military screen.

[Rik Meleet]

map on 300%

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[BCLG100]

Rik do you have any cats nearby to start bombing the crap out of his stack?

[Rik Meleet]

I have some captured Tubbian catapults. :)

[Gogf]

quote:Originally posted by Rik Meleet

And just imagine a Conqui-army: 9 tiles to be pillaged every turn.


I've done this in single player. Not much to say other than it's extremely powerful.

[Rik Meleet]

Tubby's attack has started. I've moved all my mountain units into Logrono Passage, as well as the horses around the city. Tubby has a sizeable force, but I think I could defeat him. Unfortunately he also has knights up north.
Mist, please move your units along the purple lines, so you can take out some Tubby-units. If he goes to A or B (as expected) then I need some luck in battle, although the odds are on my side. Veteran pikes in a city on a hill behind walls.

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[Mistfit]

This is a combined mini map of where we are and what we know of the enemy



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2006424233635_Our_Mini.gif

[Rik Meleet]

I've had a terrible result against Tubby's SoD. I lost 8 horses + 1 archer and Tubby lost 1 knight and 1 Immortal

Cats bombard SoD. 2 misses, 1 hit.
4/4 Horse - 4/4 Pike - Defensive bombardment misses. Horse dies, Pike: 3/4
5/5 Sword - 4/4 Knight - Defensive bombardment hits. Knight flees, Sword 2/5.
4/4 Horse - 3/4 Pike - horse dies, Pike 1/4.
4/4 Horse - 3/4 Pike - horse dies, Pike 2/4 - promotes to 3/5.
4/4 Horse - 3/5 Pike - Horse flees 1/4, pike 3/5
4/4 Horse - 3/5 Pike - horse dies, Pike 1/5
4/4 Horse - 4/4 Immo - horse dies, Immo 1/4
4/4 Horse - 4/4 Immo - horse dies, Immo 3/4
4/4 Horse - 4/4 Immo - Immo dies, Horse 3/4
4/4 Horse - 1/4 knight - Knight dies, Horse 4/4
3/3 Horse - 4/4 Immo - horse dies, Immo 3/4
3/3 Archer - 4/4 Immo - Archer dies, Immo 2/4

So Mist, if you try to take out some Immo's by attacking along the route I showed you, I might keep the city. If I lose the city, then I (or you) have no horses.

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[Mistfit]

I has a bit better luck than you (except one misclick)

War report:
North of Logrono Pass
vMW -vs- vImm = Imm Dead no damage to MW
vMW -vs- vImm = Imm Dead no damage to MW

Still wuite a stack against you but it is a bit smaller and I've given him 2 more targets to contend with:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200642845414_warfront.jpg

No attacks from grahamiam this turn. I did not attack him either

Theo due in 3 btw... I should have enough cash for that

My sitrep
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200642845723_my_sitrep.jpg

[Mistfit]

I'm glad that I got back in time to play that turn... it was kinda fun :D

First: I presume these were the 2 knights you wanted me to work on.

I killed one anyway.


BattleLog SW-SW of Logrono passage

vMW Kills vKnight -3 no promo

More fun was had over in Grahamiamland

I had loaded up a galley with 2 MW's in it. I was worried about a barb galley sinking it so I unloaded a bit before I wanted to.

Lookie what I found...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20065834859_Lookie.jpg

I moved the Galley up to see who's home in Grahamiam's town and...


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20065835219_Lookie2.jpg

I'm sure he will rush somthing there but I maight get him to disband the city :D


btw... why did you stop my temple build next to grahamiam?

[Rik Meleet]

Thanks,

Nice move on the settler. Unfortunately you are now detected so a MW landing next to a city is impossible now. Well, at least Grah will have to divert some forces. YOu might want to consider disbanding the settler if Grah gets close with a MW.

I stopped the temple for several reasons. Among the most important: Temples suck, 3 out of 3 happy people, barracks were needed more, better cultural expansions are done with libraries -or- cities themselves.
If I ruined a plan for you, sorry. Temple just didn't seem like a winning move.

[Mistfit]

I am certainly not complaining about you switching builds as you are much more experianced playing PBEM's than I am. I was just asking for an explanation... so thanks for that.

As far as Libs go I cannot imagine us having any. My big fear for that city is flip risk which I suppose will be minimal due to the amount of troops that will likely always be in residence there.

btw... why the hell can't I get a promotion? I've had a lot of battles and no promo's to elite. It sure would be nice to be able to make an army or 2.

[Rik Meleet]

I want a Conquistador Army !!! :D

[Rik Meleet]

Grah's battlelog: @ Op Fiesta:
vKnight kills vPike (2/4)
vMW kills vPike (4/4)
vMW retreats from rPike (3/3)
vMW kills rPike (3/5)
eMW kills vSpear (5/5)

[Mistfit]

Grahamiam's Battle Log for me:
vMW in my backyard:
vKnight kills vMW (2/4)

On our Western Border (near Muppet's Bane)

S of ClownsRus: vMW kills vMW (2/4)

He's on a bit of a war path...

[Rik Meleet]

I am fighting 2 civs in Golden Age. I won't be able to hold out against them on my own. Send help soon.

Battle log:

Tubby
4/4 MDI Vs 4/4 knight -> Knight flees 1/4
4/4 Horse Vs 4/4 knight -> knight wins 2/4
4/4 Horse Vs 2/4 knight -> horse wins 4/4
4/4 Horse Vs 1/4 knight -> horse wins 3/4, promotes to 4/5
4/4 MDI vs 4/4 knight -> knight wins 4/4

Grah
3/3 MDI Vs 4/4 knight -> knight wins 1/4
4/4 horse Vs 2/4 knight -> horse wins 4/4
4/4 horse vs 5/5 MW -> MW wins 1/5
4/4 horse vs 4/4 MW -> horse wins 2/4
4/4 horse vs 3/5 MW -> horse wins 4/4
4/4 horse vs 1/4 knight -> horse wins 4/4, promotes to 5/5

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[Mistfit]

I sent what I could but grahamiam is pooling his troops near my border


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200651761953_big_pic2.jpg

The one MW is toast he ended where he is at after scouting and will be whacked but You will have a tough decision as to whether or not to dump the town.

depending on where he puts his troops I can have as many as 6 MW's attack next turn or as little as zero

We are in trouble here

[Rik Meleet]

Yes we are .... :(

[Mistfit]

Barbu Killed my 2 MW's in his territory but not without losses:
quote:You got lukcy again!

I loose 2 MW redlining your 2 MW in my territory.

2 other MW finish the job flawlessly.

No promotions.

No word yet from grahamiam on the MW I have in his territory right next to an undefended city :D

[Rik Meleet]

Status:

Tubby Captured Logrono passage.

cat destroys walls @ Logrono passage
2nd cat misses
4/4 immo loses 1hp to cat then dies to 4/4 pike now 3/4
4/4 immo loses 1hp to cat then kills 3/4 pike. immo now 1/4
4/4 immo dies flawlessly to 4/4 spear
4/4 immo dies to 4/4 spear spear promotes to 4/5
4/4 immo kills 4/5 spear

I fought back:


Saxonian phone Booth:
Cat bombs knight: miss
3/3 MDI Vs 4/4 knight: knight wins 2/4
5/5 sword vs 4/4 knight: Sword wins 1/5
4/4 horse vs 2/4 knight: knight wins 1/4 -> 2/5
4/4 horse vs 2/5 knight: horse wins 1/4 -> 2/5

Bronze in Torino:
4/4 MDI vs 4/4 knight: treb misses; knight flees 1/4 - MDI 2/4
5/5 horse vs 4/4 pike: horse flees 1/5 - pike 2/4
4/4 horse vs 5/5 Immortal: horse wins 3/4
4/4 horse vs 5/5 Immortal: Immortal wins 3/5


Appolusia:
4/4 horse Vs 4/4 knight: knight wins 4/4
4/5 MDI vs 4/4 knight: knight flees 1/4 - MDI 2/4

Which gives us this situation. (It fucking sucks to fight 2 Golden Aged enemies !!!!! [aargh])

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[Mistfit]

Some Photo's from my lands
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[Rik Meleet]

I've has some luck in my battles with Tubby.

Cat misses pike.

4/4 MDI Vs 4/4 pike: Treb hits. MDI dead, Pike 3/4.
4/4 MDI Vs 4/5 pike: Treb hits. MDI dead, Pike 2/5.
4/4 MDI Vs 4/4 knight: Cat hits. Knight dead, MDI 2/4.
4/4 horse Vs 4/4 Crusader: Cat miss. Crusader dead, horse 1/4.
4/4 MDI Vs 3/4 pike: Cat miss. Pike dead, MDI 1/4.
3/3 Horse Vs 4/4 Immortal: Cat hits. Horse dead. Immortal 4/4 -> promotes to 5/5.

And I've spotted Whompian units.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Rik Meleet/2006620616_Whomp is coming.JPG
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[BCLG100]

Stupid question maybe but is anyone 'winning' yet?

[Rik Meleet]

quote:Originally posted by BCLG100

Stupid question maybe but is anyone 'winning' yet?
It's hard to judge that from our side. I don't know if Whomp/Barbu are making any important gains on Tubby/Grah or vice versa. The way the game feels I don't get the impression that we are winning. :) I hope that I am proven wrong later on.

[Rik Meleet]

Killed some Tubby units.

Near the Capital:
4/4 MDI Vs 4/4 knight: MDI dead, Knight 2/4
4/4 MDI Vs 2/4 knight: Knight dead, MDI 2/4

Treb misses SoD next to Appolusia
4/4 MDI Vs 4/4 Pike: Pike dead, MSI 2/4.
4/4 MDI Vs 5/5 Immortal: MDI dead, Immo 1/5.
4/4 Mdi Vs 4/4 Immo: Immo dead, MDI 2/4.
4/4 Mdi Vs 4/4 Immo: Immo dead, MDI 4/4.
4/4 Mdi Vs 4/4 Immo: Immo dead, MDI 4/4.
4/4 Pike Vs 1/5 Immo: Immod dead, Pike 4/4, Treb captured.