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I received my team today. Thanks for all of the well wishes.
Mistfit's_Marauders (223324)
Country: USA
Region: Michigan
Arena: Mistfit's_Marauders Arena
Language: English
Series: # 3 in VI.180
Matches played
Current Matches: Mistfit's_Marauders
From 2005-05-03 to 2005-06-28
Played Matches
5/9/2005 (League): Highlanders - GuinnessFC 3 - 1
5/26/2005 (Cup): Highlanders - Pac Tigers 1 - 5
5/30/2005 (League): BeerNuts - Highlanders 1 - 3
So I presume I'm 1 and 0 on the new season. I can live with that[:p]
Series: VI.180 (27516)
Country: USA
Level: 6 out of 6
Team
1. Duck Hunters
2. 9ers
3. Mistfit's_Marauders
4. socceraggie07
5. GuinnessFC
6. BeerNuts
7. The ED-Team
8. Penfolds
Upcoming Matches
6/6/2005 (League): Mistfit's_Marauders - socceraggie07
Orders
6/13/2005 (League): GuinnessFC - Mistfit's_Marauders
Orders
6/20/2005 (League): Duck Hunters - Mistfit's_Marauders
Orders
6/27/2005 (League): Mistfit's_Marauders - The ED-Team
Orders
Here's the team line up:
quote:
Brian David
TSI = 0 , 52 years, inadequate form
Has formidable experience and poor leadership abilities [Head]
This has to be a decent coach yeah?
Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched
Carrol Bearden
TSI = 150 , 28 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous
Dwayne Whittington
TSI = 330 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: disastrous
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: weak
Edwin Ricketts
TSI = 370 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak
Fredrick Deleon Why such a high TSI? Because he's my keeper?
TSI = 1 100 , 21 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak
Gerry Lombardi
TSI = 180 , 26 years, weak form
Has weak experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable
Huey Pearce
TSI = 780 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities
Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: passable
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: passable
Jason Grant
TSI = 240 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous
Johnny Reeder
TSI = 100 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid
Jorge Hawk [thumbsup]
TSI = 1 820 , 28 years, weak form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Kevin Ventura
TSI = 300 , 23 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: disastrous Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Marshall Matthew
TSI = 230 , 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Mikey Finch
TSI = 190 , 21 years, wretched form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate
Nan Ding-Bong [thumbsup]
TSI = 1 520 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]
Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak
Quintin Mercado
TSI = 670 , 26 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous
Robert Sheffield
TSI = 60 , 24 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid
Storm Clement
TSI = 210 , 26 years, weak form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable
Terrance Tapia
TSI = 1 690 , 28 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and solid leadership abilities
Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Well here they are: Waddya think?
I think I'll train playmaking but I've got a ways to go to get there
Keepers have significantly higher TSIs. Your coach may have formidable experience but his actually coaching skill is weak so you should generally try to get an inadequate coach.
Nan Ding-Bong is a very good starter player as he should make a great IM.
Jorge Hawk is another nice IM although you may want to train stamina for 2 weeks to get him up to solid stamina.
Huey Pearce could be a wingback for some time and the player above him isn't terrible.
Kevin Ventura is a good defender since he is powerful so would be good for pressing.
Edwin Ricketts probably a decent winger with the head skill.
Dwayne Whittington seems to be your best striker.
There are a few other players that could play a role like Terrance Tapia although I would be tempted to sell him as he is an allrounder who isn't neccessarily that useful but someone may overpay for him. Quintin Mercado has solid passing and may sell but he is basically useless.
I think I would try and get a solid or passable IM without stamina cheaply and train stamina for the first 2 weeks to get a decent midfield. Then you could probably start training wingers, strikers or goalkeepers and you will need to buy some young players to train as you don't really have any decent trainable players. Playmaking and defence training could be avoided since they are both strong areas in your team already.
Thanks Dell! BTW I really like your .gif in hattrick :D
Mistfit sings a really bad 1970's song : "At the car wash, baby"
OK I'll stop singing now...
Is anyone on line that can walk me through getting my team to show up on "HO!" ?
I have MSN Messenger if you are nchtc3 AT chartermi DOT net
Ok, just going to give a quick review on what i think of your players, looking pretty good I ahve to say!
quote:
Brian David
TSI = 0 , 52 years, inadequate form
Has formidable experience and poor leadership abilities [Head]
This has to be a decent coach yeah?
Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched
He is the coach indeed, but his exp won't help much, all teams start with the same coach, which is a weak one.
quote:
Carrol Bearden
TSI = 150 , 28 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous
A half decent wingback, but has no experience and is old, so not very useful.
quote:
Dwayne Whittington
TSI = 330 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: disastrous
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: weak
Decent scorer, keep him around for now.
quote:
Edwin Ricketts
TSI = 370 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak
Another useful player, can act as winger or wingback, keep him around too.
quote:
Fredrick Deleon Why such a high TSI? Because he's my keeper?
TSI = 1 100 , 21 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak
Correct, goalies have standard high TSI, inadequate is okay to start with except that he has no experience. Still, I'd keep him too, unless you'd start training goalies.
quote:
Gerry Lombardi
TSI = 180 , 26 years, weak form
Has weak experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable
Decent defender with good set pieces, nice player.
quote:
Huey Pearce
TSI = 780 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities
Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: passable
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: passable
Good wingback or winger, seems defense won't be much of an issue so far. :)
quote:
Jason Grant
TSI = 240 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous
Half decent forward, playable but not that great I think.
quote:
Johnny Reeder
TSI = 100 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid
:(, too bad he is the one to receive a solid on set pieces. Since set pieces are an extra on good players, I'm afraid this one is wasted..
quote:
Jorge Hawk [thumbsup]
TSI = 1 820 , 28 years, weak form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Superb Midfielder, too bad he is 28 already, but with a little stamina trainign this one is going to give you lots of fun!
quote:
Kevin Ventura
TSI = 300 , 23 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: disastrous Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Another decent defender.
quote:
Marshall Matthew
TSI = 230 , 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
And yet another half decent defender/winger... [crazyeye]
quote:
Mikey Finch
TSI = 190 , 21 years, wretched form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate
Useless player I think, not worth anything on the market either.
quote:
Nan Ding-Bong [thumbsup]
TSI = 1 520 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]
Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak
[eek], even better midfielder, this one does not even require stamina training, is only 25, and with good secondaries. Your midfield will rock Mistift!
quote:
Quintin Mercado
TSI = 670 , 26 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous
Next to useless, but KingReno seems to know how to sell players with solid passing, ask him whether transferlisting him could be worth it. :)
quote:
Robert Sheffield
TSI = 60 , 24 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid
Another solid skill wasted, this player just doesn't have it...
quote:
Storm Clement
TSI = 210 , 26 years, weak form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable
...and this one doesn't have it either, I'm afraid, pretty useless.
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Terrance Tapia
TSI = 1 690 , 28 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and solid leadership abilities
Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Good alrounder, very handy to have as he can play virtually everywhere, but is especially a good forward. However, important here whether he is popular guy, or nasty fellow or something in between. Since he is a solid leader, if he is a nice guy that's good, but if not he has a negative impact on your team's performance.
Seems you already can field a very decent team, Lombardi, Grant and Ventura are good defenders, and there are plenty of stand-ins too. I don't think you need to worry on defense for a while.
As for the Midfield, Hawk and especially Bong totally rock! No Midfield problems at all it seems. Since they are so good already, it hink it would be kind of a waste to train PM, as they, because of their age, will not be worth that much on the market anymore I fear, and ýou're not able to afford trainable substitutes for these guys yet.
Finally, your scorers look okay as well, Tapia and Whittington look pretty okay up front, and there are a few subs available too such as Grant and Reeder.
So that brings me to the only mildly weak line of the squad, the goalie. First of all, for any good training program you will need a solid coach with poor leadership, to train the players a lot faster than a weak trainer will ever do. He will cost a hefty 278K though, leaving you only little cash to play with. Since keepers only require 2 trainees, it is the least cash-intensive training form, and it is also the quickest one to add to that, meaning you will get profits sooner.
2 passable 19 year olds with about 2500 tsi should cost you about 100K, meaning you'll go about 80K in debt... however, at the end of the season these guys will be near formidable, and sell for about 600-700K each, after which you will be out of debt easily, and start setting up more profitable training programs. If need be, you could even sell a few passable defender for 10K each to reduce debt a bit, since your midfield will mean you won't be getting much chances against you anyway, and you already have a good goalie if you train goaltending.
Finally, try to get a passable midfielder as well with inadequate stamina. Your team will need to train stamina in the first few weeks anyway, and you still need one other midfielder for your lineup, if you play 3-5-2. That should cost you no more than 5K, and in the end I think you can manage a poor midfield this way, very high for a starting team, and should win you games quickly.
Hope this helps a bit, but then again, other here will probably recommend a totally different strat. ;)
socralynnek
31-05-2005, 15:32
Your best players are IMs, so I'd say train playmaking, because there you can make the most profit out of your starting team.
But since no one of them is really young enough you would have to buy trainees.
Normally 3-5-2 is the strongest line-up which you wouldn't want to play as a scorer or defence trainer.
But keeper and winger are also ok with 3-5-2.
EDIT: Your team is not that bad as a new team...
Theres nothing wrong with 3-4-3 and 4-5-1 etc as long as you have the players to suit it. Generally premiership sides will play 3-4-3 because the loss of a winger can be made up for by having a stronger central and one side attack. I agree with Kemal and my first post that training playmaking would not make much sense because they are not trainable players so to train playmaking he would either have to sell them both or waste training slots.
Winger training could be nice since its almost as quick as goalkeeping and you train twice as many players plus 4 more at 50% which could be your current wingbacks. The drawback is that other teams only need 2 wingers and scoring trainers will probaly only use one. I would vaguely avoid scoring training as it seems to be too popular at the moment so prices could collapse.
Nan Ding-Bong (66250599)
25 years, weak form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is calm and righteous.
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
Nationality: USA
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 520
Wage: 800 US$/week
Owner: Mistfit's_Marauders
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: solid Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak
That's one righteous dude :D
socralynnek
31-05-2005, 16:31
Mistfit has good wingers so it would be a waste if one would play towards middle or as extra def/IM/att.
I have made good experiences with PM training and I guess one can't do much wrong with it. But, ok, other training types can give higher profits (but especially for training defense you give up some of your chances in your league)
Terrance Tapia (66250606)
28 years, weak form, healthy
A controversial person who is temperamental and honest.
Has wretched experience and solid leadership abilities.
Nationality: USA
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 690
Wage: 780 US$/week
Owner: Mistfit's_Marauders
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: solid Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0
This is cool Mistfit. I will be watching your progress.
First 4 teams in your group seem to be rather decent and well maintained. You can try to finish 5th or even 4th this season.
It also seems that your squad does not favor any particular training type. It is a decent squad with good midfielders. Can go then may be with keeper training, just buy a solid coach and 2 trainees, as Kemal said? And fire junk players while keeping the rest and trying to arrange them with the help of HO. [confused]
Might be indeed try to sell Terrance Tapia (66250606). He might go for some 40K and he is not very good for team spirit being controversial. And indeed some stamina training for a starting couple of weeks seems reasonable.
I've not figured out yet where to fire people at yet???
Or for that matter where to hire new coaches as they don't seem to be on the transfer wire yet
Edit:
Ok I found where to get the new coach. Do I want Defensive or offensive mined or neither?
How do I sell someone?
Edit:
Never mind I found how to sell 'em. How do I just fire them though?
Edit (again)
I fired my first guy! Now I can't again for 12 hours. I'm also searching for a new coach. and made some bids on a couple of Goal Tending trainees. Now I'm off and running. I set training at 90% to stamina. Sound right? oh yeah I took a friendly for tomorrow as well.
100% training intensity is the way forward.
The coach preference doesn't really matter although it may be vaguely beneficial to get an attack minded coach or the neutral coach.
oops to late :( I got antsy and hire a defensive mided coach... oh well
Per Kanstrup (11578971)
40 years, wretched form, healthy
A solid trainer who is defensive minded
A sympathetic guy who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has excellent experience and poor leadership abilities.
Nationality: Danmark
Total Skill Index (TSI): 0
Wage: 600 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Mistfit's_Marauders
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched
A defensive coach has its benefits in that it'll boost your defence by a bit although at the cost to attack. The arguement against a defensive coach is that attack is slightly more important than defence so it makes sense to boost the more important area however there is an argument for getting a coach that favours the area that you train so the bonus increases.
I should just be more patient. My thought process was that if I'm going to be training Goaltending I figured that was a defensive position. oh well on to bigger and better things.
I had a defensive coach as well (still have actually) when I trained my keepers... the advantage is that you'll get more of a boost from him because your defense stats will be higher than your attack, and the coach adds a percentage to your already existing ratings.
However, as Dell said, defense won't win you games, and if you are likely to win the midfield battle, attack becomes more important than defense for sure. But the coach really only adds a little, so don't sweat on it i'd say. :)
Do you guys trust utilities like HO! to come up with the best possible rotation for your team?
Also if you use that utility it will tell you put this guy in @ Center but it does not tell you to put him on attacking. Is this just preference or did I miss somthing in the utility
The utility (lineup) in HO is a rather complicated thing to use. First, you have to select the lineup like 4-4-2 and assign all your players for normal. It is a good idea to play 4-4-2 in the first league matches and try 3-5-2 in the firendlies so that you can get your experience with 3-5-2 to excellent as well. Then, look at the players folder and note which are the optimal positions for your players, like "winger offensive" or "Wingback defensive". Then, change the offensive/defensive flags in the lineup and assign the players by utility again. Note that sometimes, with a new version, HO tends to first assign midfielders and a mifield sub and then goes to other positions. So you may end up with a forward assigned to midfield sub and some crappy player assigned to forward position.
But HO is rather trustworthy in most cases imho. Just take your time playing with it.
For now, don't buy anything for first 2 weeks and try to make yourself familiar with transfer market and keeper trainees. You can get a really good bargain with passable 19-year olds imho, may be even less than 70K each. Just need some time to browse closer to deadlines. It is time-consuming and tedious task. :) Also, keeper training is a long-term committment and you need to stay out of major debt. And hire some specialists as soon as you feel to.
I find Hattrick Ratings to be reasonably accurate although it does need adjusting every so often and it does not take into account the repositioning cost so it will often pick by best striker for the winger slot which seems to be incorrect.
Shouldn't he be playing 3-5-2 as a goalkeeper trainer? I would recommend doing what Kemal and I have already suggested of picking up a cheap IM with lowish stamina and then training stamina for a couple of weeks because you already have an IM that needs stamina and with 3 you can play 3-5-2 which is marginally the best formation.
Generally wing backs should always be played defensively and generally wingers are best played offensively because attack equals goals. However wing towards middle is a nice option when MOTSing. If an IM has high passing then he could be played offensively and if they have defence then playing them defensively could be beneficial.
quote:Originally posted by Dell19
... Shouldn't he be playing 3-5-2 as a goalkeeper trainer? ...
Certainly yes, after one or two friendlies at 3-5-2.
Felt sure you had posted 5-3-2 rather than 3-5-2 in the post before my last one :\
Yes, I noticed it and edited.
Good start Mistfit, it's good you started to use HO from the beginning, it will help you as you go on. With regard to the line-up tool, the ones made automatically have a certain pattern of assigning possitions, so what I used to do is to set up the team manually as I see fit than ask the utility to set up a line-up for me under the same parameters (formation, positioning). I would then compare the choices and choose the best one.
Thanks Guys!
I've given my orders for the freindly tonight and the match this weekend because I'll be gone for the weekend.
One question before I go though:
How many and what kind of assistants/doctors/phisio's should I be hiring?
Again thanks for all of your help
Hmm, I'm not sure about sponsor and crowd income in the USA, but I'd start with 2 spokespersons, and 3 or 4 goalie/assistant trainers depending on whether you train keepers or outfielders, and 1 physio.
But I think one of our american hattrickers can give better advice on this, as they know the cash flow in the USA for low level teams better. :)
Its mostly down to personal choice. I think I would recommend:
Goaltending Coaches: 2
Assistant Coaches: 3
Sport Psychologists: 0
Spokespersons: 4
Economists: 0 (Unless the econray says that you would benefit from an economist.
Physiotherapists: 1
Doctors: 0 (unless you have injuries)
which is 10k a week. Assistants vaguely seem to benefit form more than their specific benefit to training so as you train goalkeepers the best ratio may by 5 and 5 (cannot add up to more than 10) when you can afford 10 coaches.
Hiring doctors generally depends on how important the injured player is. Spokespeople should generally pay for themselves over a period of time so its good to have quite a few although you could start with say 3. I have 10. I have 1 Sport Psychologists and the general regard is that they don't do much and are a bit of a luxery. Physiotherapists should prevent some injuries so I have 5 but 1 is probably enough for most teams and some established teams will continue to only have a couple even when they can afford more.
Thanks Dell
How do you know when one of your players has popped up in a catagory? Is there a flag that tells you or do you just need to keep track?
Management programs can do it for you or you can just use excel listing your trainees with their current skills and just check them each week. HT Ratings automatically displays changes each time you download updates however I don't think its meant to be as good at keeping track of training in terms of number of weeks. I use excel because some management programs will list a week of training as missed in certain circumstances when the player should have actually been trained.
The problem with US imho, is that you are stuck in the VIth division for a few seasons. Div V is really as tough as in any other league and it might be rather hard to promote rapidly. Div VI on the contraty is rather heterogenous and it is quite possibly to perform rather not so bad there even in the first or second season. So, it seems that performance in the league is rather important and it is not possible to peform normally with crap players and crappy setup or training stamina gambit and other peculiar forms of training. On the other hand, Div VI gives a decent income compared to other leagues in lower divisions especially mostly due to great supporter flow if you perform somehow not very badly. So, I'd focus on performance since one needs a lot of cash and experience to promote to Div V and stay there. Very decent teams are kicked out constantly and a 50-star team in Vth is not a guarantee winner. So, might be good idea to settle down in the league and train something long-term while focusing on performance with what you have on hand and what you can buy for pennies.
Regarding specialists: Definitely hire at least 3 spokespersons immediately (followed with 2 more lately) and one or two of each of assistant and goaltending coaches. If you will train keepers probably need more goaltending coaches. I'd also hire one or two physcologists, they are good for confidence in the long run especially after you are losing matches. The impact of loss on confidence is not that severe and confidence is important for performance. One or two physiotherapists will not hurt as well and you don't need economists unless you are in debt or in profit a lot (over 200K cash) or doctor unless you have injuries.
Regarding lineup for a league match made today: It is not a very good idea. The form of players and training results will change on Friday night and Saturday late night and you might want to adjust the lineup according to this. Also, you might have a youth pull which is good and might want to play him (or sell or fire, whatever).
Well I really dont have a choice about putting in my line up today. I'm leaving for the weekend and will not have internet access. BTW I won my first first Friendly match against the Angry Hampsters. As Meli would say WOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOt!!!!!!
One of the teams relegated from my current V division has averaged 136 hatstats in the last two games. The other relegated team got 150 in the cup and 164 in the league.
What's the best way of insuring a friendly game for the week. Besides signing up for the CDZ cup?
Look for friendly ads (make sure to turn all zones on) and spam first two pages of it with challenges.
Damn the Hattrick Fourm is down. Thanks akots.
BTW I tied my first league game. I scored 2 times in the 87th min to tie it up!
Well, you might miss international friendlies then but domestic are still OK later at night when they turn it back.
This may not be the deal of the century but I was happy about it.
$4,000.00 US $
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200568193927_Gustavo_Queiros.jpg
Good buy, he'll do fine after some stamina training indeed. :)
Melifluous
08-06-2005, 19:45
Seeing as you are training Stamina at the moment IIRC this is simply the best deal I've seen for a while
Great Work Misty!
Melifluous
Thanks guys
2 questions:
I'm done with my friendly when can I look for another for next week?
when does the training come into effect?
You can start looking for friendly for another week usually Thursday evening or afternoon. Worst case Friday morning.
Training effects come late Friday night at about 9-11pm US Eastern time. Health update, economic update and youth pull come up about the same time which is late Saturday night around midnight or even later. Form effects were also on Saturday night but now mostly they update with training. However, sometimes, form might be seen changing on Saturday night (not recently in this season). You can change training type after economic update. This is all sometimes changing. There is a schedule for the events in the USA section of the menu. It does not seem to be very exact though.
You can challenge domestic friendlies pretty much as soon as the domestic friendlies finish.
Sometimes previously it was possible but usually now the team is still travelling until Thursday afternoon. US is a big country, may be because of this?
Thats if the other team is returning from an international match I think. If both teams played domestically during the week then it should be okay to challenge them.
Gustavo got a bump in his stamina which upped his TSI to 520.
When should I stop training stamina? What should be the lowest for my trainees?
Your midfielders better get at least passable, may be solid if possible. Note that training stamina deteriorates the form not only for midfield but for all players. You might want to stop it rather sooner than later.
Is there any way to get form back with the exception of training general?
Playing players in poor form should allow them to increase their form. However I am currently going through an annoying form crisis.
When Training does it take the same amount of time to go from weak to inadequate as it does to go from Excelent to Formidable? Or are they all the same?
It is same amount of training from weak to inad as from excel to formidable. But with stamina it is not generally possible to get over excellent for a long time. Stamina would gradually return back to excel if trained over. Excelent stamina stays though once you get there. Note that it is very important only for midfield. For other players it is adding very little if none.
Unless you play pressing a lot, in which case stamina becomes a bit more important. Also wingers probably need stamina especially if they are played as WTMs.
I think I mught have mussed this up. I'm selling one of my top TSI guys (28 yr old) so I can afford to pick up one or 2 decent trainees.
League game starts
6/13/2005 at 01.00
Auction Ends
6/12/2005 at 23.24
I won't be able to use this guy for the Match this weekend will I? I think I should have paid more attention to the times on this. !*@#^$%$%
Unfortunately he will be gone before the match starts indeed... :(
Iirc, you can play matches with players that are still with your team as soon as the match starts, or maybe even 15 mins before the match starts but not 100% sure on that last part.
Thanks for the quick reply Kemal
I did get kinda luck on this guy in that his stamina (what I'm training) and his form both popped overnight. If looking at transfer compare this makes a difference of 50-100K when I first put him on to now when I check it has 100K to 300K :D [fingercrossedsmillie]
EDIT:
That kinda sucks. The Transfer market does not show his improved stats. Only the stats that he had when I placed him on the market.
More n00b questions:
Middle Infielders get the most improvement if they are higher in Playmaking... I think I've got that down pat.
If I find a MI with High passing and scoring does that make him a better MI?
Another situation: If I find a MI with a decent Defending rating and I put him in at Central Defence playing as an extra Midfielder will it help in my game for defence?
My theory on the above is that if I'm looking to pick some one up on the transfer list and I'm currently traing PM I should prolly look for a player with a low PM but good passing and scoring if it indeed those things help in the IM position.
Sorry for all of the questions...but I want to do the CDZ clan proud!
Some things are not totally known.
Stamina is the main secondary for midfielders since its quick to add and has a significant impact especially on second half performance.
Passing is highly valued as it is useful when you want to play IMs offensively and passing has some value towards converting chances although this seems to be unknown which is why at least one member here has suggested that passing is overvalued.
Defence can also be important to allow IMs to be played defensively. So both would make a better IM.
The extra IM from the Central defence slot seems to be played as a normal IM although perhaps they add something. Its more likely that an IM in one of the normal slots that is played defensively will add more to defence.
Playmaking cannot be too low. I would consider training passable as the lowest desirable level with inadequate as the absolute minimum and then just get side stats as a bonus. Really the primary skill is what will earn you the most money.
quote:Originally posted by Mistfit
...
If I find a MI with High passing and scoring does that make him a better MI? ...
Apparenlty not much. But passing of IM contributes to attack strength somewhat. And if your midfield gets an opportunity to score (which often happens during the game), he can score with higher probability if his scoring is higher however, it is not completely clear how this works.
If you want to play a midfield defensively, might be better put him in the middle slot and set defensive flag. But check in HO the stats, they are not very accurate although might give some general idea as to what is improving and what is not.
Scorers are randomly assigned so you can't look at the number of goals specifically to judge who is the better player.
Also, one thing that might be useful to keep in mind when selling players is that more users tend to be online at the evening hours CET time, which is also HT-time. So when selling, try if possible to have a deadline of a player between 1800 and 2100 HT time, since there is more chance that there will be people online noticing your player on the market when the deadline expires.
And to add my opinion on the midfielders issue, like Dell I think the extra inner midfield player will play as a normal inner midfielder, but which side of the pitch (left or right defense/attack ratings) he will use his defense/passing skills for to increase ratings depends on the position from where you relocated him from (if this makes any sense..). [crazyeye]
Scoring on an inner midfielder has no value whatsoever to your team's ratings, but if he also has a decent set pieces skill, he might score a long shot (Special Event goal) every now and then. But that event is way too rare to invest extra money for, imho.
So in short concentrate soley on PM. If he happens to have decent, passing, scoring, or set pieces great but do not use those skills in evaluation of whom I should buy.
I'd be better off buying a MI with
solid PM
inad Passing
inad scoring
VS
inad - PM
pass - Passing
pass - scoring
To me this is counterintuitive. I would think that I'd have a better player in the end if I could train up the PM on the 2nd guy. Say after 2 training cycles (2 pops) I ended up with
formidable PM
inad Passing
inad scoring
VS
solid - PM
pass - Passing
pass - scoring
But if I'm understanding you guys correctly I'm better off with the 1st. I can live with that
If you look at the transfer market you will probably see that the price difference between solid and formidable is a lot more than between inadequate and solid.
Melifluous
12-06-2005, 17:56
Also Mistfit?
stop thinking about scoring with IM's there's really is no point.
IM's should be Playmaking and Defence and Passing.
Passing seems to make a lot of difference on a midfielder at the moment. Can affect the price of a player by about 200,000 or more for formidable playmakers.
Melifluous
Gotcha Meli!
FYI Hawke is currently at 61K
I'm hoping the last few hours bring lots of $
On a side note it's a bit sad that my geography knowledge is so poor (possible wretched) that I do not know of the country of the team that has the highest bid right now - Magyarország
I've not heard of that one
Should be Hungary, in Hungarian that is, I suppose. :)
I'll take you word on it Kemal
More Noob questions:
If I can get my hands on a good player buy in wretched form for a low price is it worth it. I'm looking at a MI that if his form were at least passable would sell for 150K or so. It's wretched and he's looking to be sold for around 30K or so.
Would you?
If you are sure the difference in price would be that big, go for it for sure, usually after a few weeks playing in the reserves those guys get at least back to passable form.
In general, when buying players you do not immediately need, looking for players in bad form is a good idea indeed as they tend to go for a little less.
Melifluous
12-06-2005, 21:08
quote:Originally posted by Mistfit
More Noob questions:
Can I point you towards this link (http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2349) for asking your questions? It would help the 'community' to have all of these questions answered in one thread. Thankyou for you co-operation.
[borg]
Melifluous
I think I've done myself good on this one. What do you think?
My current best winger is at passable and my best set pieces is solid.
For $4,000.00 I can play this guy as winger, up my SP and save a bit on weekly salary. I think it's cool.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005614212431_SP.jpg
This of course would not have helped me out with my friendly against Meli (I'm loosing badly) but the goalie for the best team in my league is guessed at solid. So he might score some for me yes?
BTW I was reading somthing interesting today on BDF. Did all of you know that if you are looking for a Clown to just type in Min and Max at $US 69500 and you will normally find one?
quote:The visitors Johnny Reeder came close to levelling the score in the 28th minute with a free kick going just wide of the left top corner.
This is my set peices guy so maybe it would have helped against Meli :D
This Weeks Friendly: LOSS to Meli 4-0
Next Weeks Friendly: LOSS to Ynnek
@Ynnek ~ I need to know how to write "How did I get stuck with these loosers" in German for my next Press Release. Please help... Or actually any of you that know German could help me.
socralynnek
15-06-2005, 20:40
"Wie konnte ich nur an die Verlierer geraten?"
Funny, you are already preparing your PM for your loss...
Maybe your goal should be to lose not as high as against Meli...
But don't worry about winning friendlies, the league is important and your friendlies will be better soon!
I don't worry about the friendlies...yet. Gimme a few seasons under my belt and I'll compete a little better. For now I can be yourguy's whipping boy. Like Meli said the most importent thing about a friendly is that no one gets injured.
There are a few new teams this year so you might not do that badly. I'm hoping to do a little better this season however my form has gone downhill so I could struggle a lot.
quote:I could struggle a lot.
This comming from a guy that fields a +30 star friendly game... My league line-up is 22.6 stars...
It takes time, just be patient. A couple of seasons and if you train something, it will be OK. I was also desperate at first.
That's just the thing...I am being patient. I fully expect to suck for a couple of seasons. I have no problem with that either. I just appreciate all of the help and advice you guys have given me. It's made things much easier.
I quite enjoy this game. (and I'm not a big football fan [blush])
This is weird... This is the team I'm playing this week. He's been having a fire sale as of late. (I wouldn't have posted this but I think all of the ToTo guesses are in already.
quote:Date Type Players To/From Price TSI then
6/23/2005 Sold Stephen Whitson to Pitagoras_Power 50 000 US$ 770
6/23/2005 Sold Rob Brower to 'Os Barrascos' 26 001 US$ 250
6/23/2005 Sold Huang Po-Fai to Os Balolas de A 62 000 US$ 450
6/23/2005 Sold Raymond Mills to Leigh's Lovable 4 000 US$ 580
6/23/2005 Sold Rob Oconnell to Wu Clan 4 500 US$ 20
6/23/2005 Sold Josué West to FC Tonchester 5 000 US$ 330
6/23/2005 Sold Les Ricks to Tigres Platiado 4 000 US$ 570
6/23/2005 Sold Jonathan Motley to Vaiduokliai CF 1 000 US$ 60
6/23/2005 Sold Brian Goodrich to SCVR 35 000 US$ 1 070
6/23/2005 Sold Denver Breaux to Scorpions C.F 84 000 US$ 650
6/23/2005 Sold Nick Thomas to Narutards 2 000 US$ 1 180
6/22/2005 Sold Jim Clary to Chatelaine Hots 84 000 US$ 1 190
6/22/2005 Sold Lee Craft to Hell'sKitchenCa 381 000 US$ 2 900
He last bought a player on 5-4 and he lost money on him [hmm]
quote:5/14/2005 Sold Kim Stensgaard to fcc2 75 000 US$ 640
5/4/2005 Bought Kim Stensgaard from FC DRE 130 000 US$ 640
Edit:
I looked at his last line-up (league from last week) and he has sold
2 wingers
2 Wing Backs
1 IM
2 Forwards
and a sub Defender
That's out 8 of 15 players from last week - any guesses as to what's going on?
[confused]
As you know, some people cheat. Create fake teams, and then transfer money to the "real" team by bying a crappy player for a lump sum. Not sure this is the case however here. On the other hand, may be this final buy is coming in and then that "fake" team will be abandoned. May be just decided to stop playing? Don't know.
Some teams do quit by selling all their players in case someone else wants them.
The game couldn´t be played and the referee had to declare the home side the winner with 5-0 due to a walk over. This was caused by the visitors not having 9 players fit for the game! The match ends 5 - 0.
That's a bit unsatisfying but hey it's a win.
Well all around it was a good week. I won my league game this week (The guy even fielded a team :D ) and I had 2 of my trainees pop Playmaking. Now the dilemma... (good dilemma BTW)
This is the guy:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200575183959_YC.jpg
I payed $3,000.00 US for him on June 1st:
This is the transfer compare for him now:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200575184113_yc_compare.jpg
It looks like I should be able to get somewhere around $200,000 for him. Although the dates are a bit old for the sales.
Here's my quandry:
Sell him now, and buy a young trainee again. With the extra cash from the sale buy a solid keeper (aprox 150-200K). This is my weakest area of my team.
Keep him and wait for him to pop to excellent (hopefully around the end of the season and sell him for 500-800K)
In reality I have no chance to win my series this year so the new keeper is probably not needed. But I thought I'd ask you guys to see what you thought. Also I was very excited about the first skill I've popped [cool]
Well, I don't think you can sell him for more than 100K imho. He's a bit old for trainee and a bit young for player. The problem with transfer compare here is that actually only a very few sales are being completeled. I mean there are probably dozens and dozens of players with similar stats on the market which don't get sold. I mean probably 1% or may be up to 5% of those who try to sell for a decent price (like 400K) do sell indeed and all these sales might smell bad at least a little. Might be I'm wrong, but just go with him all the way, he's a decent guy, make big bucks after 2 seasons.
I was leaning towards keeping him so I think that'll be the plan. I was just pleased that he popped so quickly. After 2 weeks of PM training!!
socralynnek
06-07-2005, 18:14
I also think you should keep him. It is worth to train him and you can make him even better with training stamina in off-season.
This guy is doing somthing wrong...
quote:5/8/2005 9ers finished as number 7 in VI.180 season 25
1/16/2005 9ers finished as number 7 in VI.180 season 24
10/21/2004 The team was kicked out of the Cup at round 2 season 24
9/26/2004 9ers finished as number 7 in V.59 season 23
6/24/2004 The team was kicked out of the Cup at round 1 season 23
6/16/2004 The club changed owner as eradspinner took control and renamed it 9ers
he is doing better this season... He's #6 :D
He probably isn't training...
Thats strange I've double posted before but never automatically like this one. [???]
I decided it was time to make my logo a bit bigger and as nice as some of the others I've made for people here.
What do you think?
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005716182949_Marauder.GIF
Evil smile ! I like it :)
My first popped EXCELLENT! This is one of the orginal player that were given to my at the start. 5 weeks and a popped skill :D
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200572317316_nbd.jpg
A similar guy sold yesterday for 541K even though he had lower TSI and Inad Form
I'm not sure yet???
I think I will keep him for the time being and see how the season turns out.
If I end up in the same division as I am now I will prolly sell him for team improvements and new trainees but If I move up I will probably keep him as I will need all of the help I can get.
Personnally I would sell him because he isn't likely to get much better and then you are just wasting a training slot.
So you think it is worth loosing 2 stars on my league team to bring in another trainee?
Granted If I could get enough $$$$ out of him I could upgrade my Keeper from 1.5 stars to ??? 3 maybe and buy a new trainee
Might depend on how you decide you want your performance. Depends on are you gaining supporters now and other things. He'll train more slowly than young player and substantially however. I'd probably repeat myself but supporters are an important investment as well in USA zone. If you sell him, would your performance drop substantially? You can sell him later on, when you have other trainees at comparable level. It is hard to tell. It's probably 50-50 imho.
90-10 for me. The flip side of that arguement is that you miss out on results in the future and end up losing out in the long term.
Well, when it comes to exact numbers it is not that straightforward. I've spent hard time trying to calculate when I decided to go for 3rd place in the league and keep two old trainees around. Supporters is a stable and considerable income surplus. It's actually main source of income since training to world class takes horrendous amount of time (4-5 seasons). You are not going to cut this time down substantially if you keep the guy for the rest of the season and might be a little bit more until he pops to formidable. But losing or not gaining maximal number of supporters, that's what really hurts. It's not about training of keepers. Midfield training is darn slow. On the other hand, having a solid coach skill is very essential here as well.
Just look at Meli. He never trained anything but general for a number of seasons and is doing pretty good nevertheless. And in the end, yes, you make some money. But in the long run, this money is relatively small to regular income when divided over the whole training term. And you'd probably end up leaving a few best trainees to play for the team anyhow.
All this logic pertains only to leagues where Div6 is the last one. Jumping to Div5 too early aint no good to anyone. But if one starts in Div10 or Div9 or even Div8, thats the way to go certainly. I mean training. The reason for this is that little gain one needs to promote from 10th to 9th and from 9th to 8th probably up to 6th. To get from 6th to 5th is a big deal, not a few extra stars. Mostly it has to be a jump from 30-35 to 40-45 stars and you can't play passable or solid skill players to cover the holes in the squad. Gotta start from formidable and up and it's not cheap with any kind of training.
At 20 I wouldn't mind continuing training him but at 25 thats theoretically about 14-16 weeks for a pop and in that time a solid 18 year old would probably also pop to formidable. It would be more worthwhile if the player was already outstanding but he is only excellent so there is less cash to be made.
Meli did have loads of supporters but then when he started to train properly he had also promoted at the same time so then he got destroyed in V and I don't think he has a 500 supporter lead over me anymore. Also I'm guessing that whilst he wasn't training properly his players may have been slightly younger.
Since I learned about training I've always viewed it as far more important than just winning one or two extra games as the game is ultimately about training and its the easiest way to get better players. If you miss out on training then you allow teams below you to catch up creating a cycle where you potentially battle for survival in V forever justifying throwing training and allowing more teams to catch up.
I guess I've been lucky this season but so far I've sold 3 20 year old trainees because I could no longer justify training them when I could afford 17 year old solids. Two of those solids are now excellent+ and this means that next season and the season after I will benefit from better results whilst this season I may lose one extra game.
This is the guys Transfer Compare today:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005724182742_tc.jpg
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4-600K would go a long way in improving my team (new Keeper) and I should have enough to pick up a solid PM weak Passing 18 yr old. 17 yr olds with those stats are way to expensive.
Ding-Bong was sold for 408K
I bought a Solid (7.75) Keeper for 142K
and
Solid PM Inad Pass 17 yr old trainee for 150K
I'm pleased with the sales and purchases
Sounds like you did some "solid" purchases indeed! ;)
Thanks Kemal. It's nice to hear praise from one of the elite player here :D
I did loose about 1/2 a star overall but I've got some other 17 and 18 yr olds that have to be ready to pop skills
OK here it is I'm looking for any help from you guys I can.
I'm in 2nd place tied with "the Duck Hunters" I play them this week. We seem to be really evenly matched.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20058218136_place.jpg
This guy I figure is doing Forward Training as it is his strongest area.
He beat me early in the season using pressing.
Duck Hunters Year in Review
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20058218253_per_round.jpg
I normally use 3-5-2 but I have some experiance in 4-5-1 (inad)
I have never used Counterattack/pressing/attack from the wing or anything strange.
Can you guys think of any helpful hints in helping me win this match?
Not sure exactly what kind of player materials you have at the moment, but looking at this guy's ratings, and considering that you *have* to win this match to have a shot at promototion, I'd say the key is midfield possession here.
Since there is no realistic way anyhow to make sure you stop his attack with your defense, preventing this fellow from getting those chances in the first place should be your main focus. At that, every single chance you take away from him via higher midfield possession is actually a chance gained for Marauders as well, and his defense isn't too good, even with low attack ratings you should be able to convert about 33% of your chances at least, I think.
Since you'll be using midfield to stop him from scoring, no point in stressing your defense much, I'd say. His right side defense is usually weakest it seems, so I'd try to have an offensive winger on your left. Other winger could be towards the middle, or also offensive, depends on his stats. All inner mids (with good passing, if possible) should be played offensively to try and boost attack ratings.
Furthermore, I'd reposition a WB to the extra inner midfield slot, and possibly play with 2 offensive CDs (using your other midfield trainees, those with defending as best secondary), to try and get more than 70% possession... if he has wretched (low) midfield, you should aim to be at around poor (very high) I think for this..
That way, you should get around 8 of the 10 chances at least, meaning you'd have to convert 3 out of 8 to win the match (assuming he'd score his 2 chances), barring any special event goals. If you could get around poor(high)/weak(low) attack ratings, I think you should be able to win...
socralynnek
04-08-2005, 15:08
Do definitely play with 2 Inner Defenders and a WTM if you have a 4th player with good Playmaking skills. If he also has a little wing skill, you could still score on that side (the others weaker side). So, I totally agree with Kemal here.
4-5-1 would only be an option if you are weaker in midfield, but that doesn't seem to be.
Thanks Kemal! That is not a tactic I would have thought about on my own. I guess what you are saying is to eliminate/severely lessen my defensive abilities to achieve a greater Midfield and better Time of possesion.
I had put my normal line up in HO to use the Simulate match and came up with a very even game. When I put in this line-up I end up winning at a much higher percentage. I know the thing is not really accurate but it should give a good indication on how the match will play out.
My line-up:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20058415340_lineup.jpg
Plus/Minus
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200584153414_Plus_minus.jpg
I cannot get the midfield to Poor(very high) yet. I do however think that 2 of my IM's will pop skill tomorrow as they have been trained for 7 weeks now so I may be able to do a bit better than this line-up.
Does this look right or did I go over the top on the offensive bit?
If that Yelkin Canturk guy is a true midfielder, I'd even go as far as repositioning your extra inner mid from the left wingback position, and put him in as offensive CD as well. I think at around 80% possession you can expect to get all 10 chances going your way.
Of course, this way might function as well, since offensive WB add some wing attack as well, and a good attack rating is important too of course, and in case you get an early injury to one of your inner mids, having a replacement available on the bench could be a lifesaver.
Btw, the reserve central defense should also preferably be a good inner mid/playmaker, since if he'd come in, he won't be doing much defending either, whether he'd be a wingback or a CD.
Only thing that is too bad, is that you do not have head specialists in your team. I haven't checked your opponents specialities, but if he has, you are always in some danger of conceding winger/corner event goals (well, you can actually always concede those goals, but having head specialists make them way more likely to occur, or to prevent them from happening against you). Nothing can be done about that though except having head specialists of your own on the pitch (something I'd strongly suggest any team to keep in mind when strengthening the team). :)
socralynnek
04-08-2005, 17:03
Better play with 2 CDef, his central attack is strong and then you have a better chance on preventing him from scoring, maybe both offensive. So make a WB to a add.Midfielder. This should make your midfield rating a little higher.
On the other hand, if Dietmar is your only player capable of taking set pieces decently, make sure you leave him in... with 8 or more chances, there is a really good possibility at least one of them is going to be a free kick or penalty, wasting that would be a shame.
Furthermore, again I think you are the one to make the best assessment here, don't put in another offensive CD if he does not have at least passable PM and solid stamina. On the same line of thought, if your offensive wingback would have great winging and substantially add to your wingattack, leave him in since you will need decent attack ratings as well, plus off wingbacks add a little midfield too...
There unfortunately is no definitive truth on what the best line-up is, which is of course, imo, one of the charms of hattrick. :)
Dietmar is a true Offensive Wing Back (My best) and he's also my best Set Peices (Exc)
I did switch the CD to the center and put Cantruk in the wing back spot playing as a IM.
This puts my star rating down just a bit but it does jump my IM to Poor(Very High)
I appreciate all of your help on this and I will keep you informed as to how the match goes.
ynnek should have waited and used this one of the TOTO. Although my toughest test of the season will be in week 13 against socceraggie (the #1 team)
I may be back for more help :D
socralynnek
05-08-2005, 10:30
quote:Originally posted by Mistfit
ynnek should have waited and used this one of the TOTO. Although my toughest test of the season will be in week 13 against socceraggie (the #1 team)
Absolutely right, I already posted the 5 matches (which are also close I think), but I guess this one is the closest. Maybe even too hard to predict...
WoooOOOOoooOOT!
Before my first ever sold out crowd!
quote:View game: HT Live
Date: 8/8/2005 at 01.00
MatchID: 45606866
Arena: Mistfit's_Marauders Arena
Crowd: 12000
The 12000 spectators at Mistfit's_Marauders Arena were in for an afternoon of sunshine. Mistfits_Marauders started off with a 3-5-2 lineup. The following players had been chosen: Wennemars - Lombardi, Pearce, Puggaard - Hundseder, Zannirato, Borg, Queirós, Cavanna - Mattka, Wang-Kin.
Hunters had chosen a strategic 3-4-3 formation. Lineup: Thörnhult - Sharp, Bonilla, Leach - Davis, de Niet, Gangbratt, Borging - Fernández, Hicks, Donadeu.
Mistfits_Marauders could have put themselves ahead in the 14:th minute as Roberto Cavanna missed a volley shot on a ball coming in from the right. Some beautiful plays on the left side of the field resulted in a 17:th minute goal by Jiang Wang-Kin for Mistfits_Marauders, putting them ahead 1 - 0. After an industrious effort down the middle Gustavo Queirós could have closed the game off in the 23rd minute, but his finishing shot hit the post. Mistfits_Marauders's Nico Zannirato got himself booked after a foul. Mistfits_Marauders will have to do without Dietmar Hundseder for a time due to a bad foot injury. He was substituted by John Sunesson. A speedy charge from the left side of the field put Mistfits_Marauders lead up with 2 - 0. Jiang Wang-Kin finished that one off competently, firing from an acute angle. Mistfits_Marauders's Ruedi Mattka got himself booked after a foul. Gustavo Queirós enjoyed the sunshine and demonstrated his stunning technique over and over again. A bit later Hunters's Rubén Darío Fernández easily reduced to 2 - 1 after a misunderstanding in the home sides central defense line. 2 - 1 was the half-time score. Mistfits_Marauders held the ball, with a clear 69 percent possession rate.
In the games 65:th minute the visitors levelled to 2 - 2 as Fredrik Gangbratt struck home on a bar rebound, following a shot from the right. A mistake by the home sides central defence in the 73rd minute allowed Carlos Donadeu to score 2 - 3 for Hunters. After a fatal mistake from the away teams right side defense in the 74:th minute, an alert John Sunesson bagged the ball, evening the score to 3 - 3. Hunters's Garry Leach got himself booked after a foul. Mistfits_Marauders were very close to putting themselves one up in the 86:th minute as Gustavo Queirós got through, but failing in concentration, he shot the ball wide. Nico Zannirato really should have scored when he was chosen by fate to confront a wide open goal following a great play by Roberto Cavanna after a corner. The 88:th minute saw the home team take a 4 - 3 lead after a leak in the visitors right side defense. Scorer for Mistfits_Marauders was Gerry Lombardi. Mistfits_Marauders held the ball, with a clear 64 percent possession rate.
The most dominating Mistfits_Marauders player was without a doubt Piet-Hein Wennemars. However, John Sunesson made a disastrous appearance. Most important Hunters player was Rubén Darío Fernández. Nathaniel Davis was a disappointment, however. The match ends 4 - 3.
I won it in the 88th Min!
Thanks again for all of the suggestions!
Just Checked and this has to be good news!
quote:Sponsors: delirious
Supporter Club: 453 members
Supporters: high on life
quote:Team Spirit: composed
Confidence: strong
[sunn]
Congrats, nice to see you took the 3 points after all, and hopefully you'll be able to beat socceraggie too, if becoming champion is your aim this season. :)
Well that is my next question...
Do I want to auto promote by winning the season?
I was wondering if it wouldn't be a better plan to stay here at the bottom for another season and strengthen my squad and possibly expand my stadium in hopes of having a better chance at the next level?
What is your opinion?
Well, I guess it comes down to what you think is the most fun: playing to promote/become champions in your series/grab as much silverware as you can, or playing to strengthen your economy (= team) *in the most efficient way possible*.
Not promoting would be the route to follow if the latter option is what you aim to achioeve in hattrick, I think, since you are likely to lose a lot of games in the USA's 5th division with your current team, I'm afraid.
I know this may seem weird but I requested a logo from SSMilwakee at BDF. I like it lots :D
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005815172845_marauderscopy1xz.jpg
I may have to resign in my logo building duties here. I cannot do this kind of work with the programs I have available to me.
Well I have finished my second season (first full season) of hattrick.
I was wondering if I could get some of the elder statesman in the game to look at my club and tell me if I am on the right track.
I just don't feel as if I am progressing quick enough... I came in 4th this season. I'd really like to move up the ranks but I cannot see how to do that.
I can either post my player info here or I could post the HRF file so you could look at the team (is that safe to do?)
If you are willing let me know... I'd be very appreciative of any help you can give me [mistfit]
Shabbaman
27-12-2005, 17:30
I don't know if (/how to) I can open .hrf files, but there's no problem with posting it here. As with all teams, a good training program is a decent basis for success.
This is my latest HRF file if anyone wants to take a look see
Download Attachment: icon_paperclip.gif 2005-12-26.zip (http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051227213459_2005-12-26.zip)
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Had a quick glance at your team, you're training midfielders which generally is a good choice cause you can play 3-5-2. Read a review some time ago saying it is also one of the most profitable training options. I think training yields vary a lot over time, so hard to say what pays and what doesnt. For starting teams training keepers is also a nice option. Your trainer is solid, that's fine as well. So as far as I can see your doing the right things.
Would be interesting to see your player's details and know your financials and the staff you hired.
Goalkeeping Coaches: 2
Assistant Coaches: 8
Sport Psychologists: 0
Spokespersons: 5
Economists: 0
Physiotherapists: 4
Doctors: 0
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005122723182_eco.jpg
This is pretty consistant with the 2 week cycle of my club. Break or a little lower on the away weeks and make 60-100 K on home weeks
What do you mean by player info?
These are my trainees
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005122723308_IMs.JPG
Canturk - Borg - Sunesson all have 7 weeks since their last training pop
Williamson - 3 weeks
Robels 2 weeks
Fontao 1 week
This is the rest of my club:
Defenders:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051227234048_Defenders.jpg
Wings:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051227234131_Wingers.jpg
Strikers:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051227234223_forwards.jpg
Keepers and Coach:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005122723430_Keepers_Coach.jpg
it already looks impressive to me. I think you should train stamina in the off season, that would increase your midfiled a bit and just keep training these guys, until their wages get to high (for you) or they are 20 or 21.
As far as I can see you are doing quite well. But then agian I am just as new as you.
Shabbaman
28-12-2005, 00:31
Cool, you have a borg.
Looks like it's time for stamina training. Good thing that it's between seasons now!
I was unsure on wether or not to do stamina training for the following reasons:
1.) I'm not selling anyone any time soon
2.) The 3 best IM's that play Midfield are at passable - solid - excellent
3.) the rest of my team is above average stamina-wise
4.) Stamina training can adversly effect form
Is it worth loosing 2 weeks training on my IM to train stamina for the whole team?
If I train PM for those 2 weeks I could possibly have my 3 best players pop skill (9 weeks for 19 yr olds right?)
Its important to get stamina to at least solid and realistically excellent to get the best out of the players and to get the best price for them. It makes sense to do this early so that your first and reserve trainees will play better next season and you only have one player that would not benefit from stamina training. The other benefit is that if you train stamina now you don't have to next season when you might have just promoted to V. Finally the form drop is something that occurs but this tends to be exaggerated as people train stamina in the offseason when half their team does not play which also causes form drops.
You could always train stamina for just one week but two will probably be best unless 3 or 4 of your trainees now had solid or higher stamina. One week of stamina training would be a good idea if you don't expect to sell your reserves any time soon as then you could train the second week of stamina next season when you ma have brought new players that need stamina.
There's also a beneficiary effect to form drop in the interseason period.
Salaries are dependent on TSI which in turn is dependent on form. So higher form, higher TSI: at start of season: higher salaries. Those salaries you'll be paying all season, you definitely recover from a slight form drop so you wont suffer from bad form all season.
Actually, I don't think form has an influence on the salary, but only skill has. Then again, can't really prove that, I suppose.
As for the Marauders, I think to succesfully keep up with the other teams in training and team development, your trainees need to be of a higher level. Fontao and Williams are nearly useless to train because of their age and low level of playmaking. I think it might be wise to aim for some 18 year old excellent on the market to replace them. If you buy 2 with not so great stamina, you should be able to get them for 100-150K each, because you really need trainees to be popping levels that increase their value with at least 300K per pop, and for playmaking this starts at about formidable. If you'd then train stamina this and next week, you should have 2 near excellent, and 4 excellent stamina PM-trainees available, ranging between excellent and formidable in level.
While training 19 year olds at excellent and 20 year olds at formidable level is below par, your financial situation doesn;t allow for better atm. Since they have good passing, I'd recommend selling Canturk once he hits brilliant and Borg and Sunesson at outstanding, and replace them again with more trainable players.
This would mean though that in the short term, since you're training PM, your midfield will not improve much over the next couple of seasons, until you have an optimal training schedule in place.
Btw, who are your current wingers? PM trainers also train 4 wingers at 50% per week, after all. It might be an idea to keep Williamson at least to play as winger in friendlies until he pops, maybe Fontao too though inadequate or passable both have no resale value to speak of, I'm afraid.
Most PM trainers use the winger skills as skilltrader positions, trying to train high solids to excellent in a small amount of time, but if you already got real wingers, keeping them for some training might pay off too.
All this just my humble opinion, contrary to some people here, I'm no PM trainer myself, so maybe my views on what a good PM trainee program should look like should be read with caution. :)
Finally, in the USA, and other smaller HT countries, climbing divisions is really tough, don't be put off by the fact that many Dutch people seem to be climbing the ranks fast, the two leagues are incomparable, imo. Dutch leagues only start to be really competitive at 6th division, and currently only cruise plays higher, iirc.
quote: I think it might be wise to aim for some 18 year old excellent on the market to replace them. If you buy 2 with not so great stamina, you should be able to get them for 100-150K each, because you really need trainees to be popping levels that increase their value with at least 300K per pop, and for playmaking this starts at about formidable. If you'd then train stamina this and next week, you should have 2 near excellent, and 4 excellent stamina PM-trainees available, ranging between excellent and formidable in level.
So do you mean Buy 17 yr olds that will be 18 yrs old in a couple of weeks or 18-19 yr old?
I just did a quick scan on transfer lists and excellent PM 17 yr olds are going for around 250K US$
Shabbaman
28-12-2005, 16:05
This is the page I referred to previously: transfer price evaluation (http://www.databased.at/hattrick/x-files/pages/s_TPE_all.asp?chosen=1) (at hattrix files).
If you take a look at it you see that (for instance) you get almost twice the revenue for training an excellent PM to a formidable PM then from solid to excellent PM. Of course younger players pop faster, but you have to consider if you can get the extra investment out of it.
As for midfielders, secondary skills are quite important. Buyers are looking for something "extra", so look for at least 1 good secondary skill (either passing, defending or perhaps wing).
Call me a dork but I can't make heads or tails of that graph.
Is the average transer price in Thousands? What currency?
quote:As for midfielders, secondary skills are quite important. Buyers are looking for something "extra", so look for at least 1 good secondary skill (either passing, defending or perhaps wing).
What is "good" for a secondary? If I find a IM with excellent PM what should his wing/passing/def be? Inad+ ?
Is it worth buying a player that has a one decent secondary but the other 2 are wretched?
I mean buying two 18 year old going 19 year old, since as you say, 17 year olds going 18 year old are too expensive atm. This is not optimal, but Williamson and especially Fontao are costing you money atm.
Btw, indeed people are looking for something extra, however, for PMs I think it might be a little different. Everyone agrees that midfield rules in hattrick, so you see lots of small but growing teams aiming to get an as best midfield as possible, preferring an extra level of PM above some extra passing/defending for the same money. PM trainees with passing or defending inadequate+ sell for more, but also cost a sizeable amount of extra money to buy in the first place.
Therefore, I'd look for players with weak in either passing or defending, just too little to be worth extra money, but as far as effect on ratings go still having some influence.
I'd stay away of wing alltogether, any player with some wing that has excellent PM will be worth too much to use as PM trainee, since winger trainers will be after those players as well.
socralynnek
28-12-2005, 17:14
As a PM trainer, I have only two wingers in my team and two PM trainees with a little wing.
I play with a WTM in all of my league games and that makes midfield much stronger.
And with that, I had the best midfield of my league by far.
heh... I've got 6.5 hours to find 2 PM trainees off to the market
If you train stamina, they don't necessarily have to play the league game to train. If you continue with PM, good luck, the market should be easy though these days, I guess. :)
So even if he is not on the team when the CDZ cup match is played he will get training if I buy him before the training update?
I found one guy BTW 129K
Not crazy about the very low passing but inad defending and head speciality were nice
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Yes, but this only goes for stamina (and set pieces) training. Looks like an okay buy btw, though he will likely need more than just the 2 off season weaks of stamina training. Then again, 129K for an excellent/inadequate seems quite good, especially with head and solid leadership (which, if you keep him for the first team, could someday make him a nice future coach prospect).
bed_head7
28-12-2005, 22:20
Unfortunately, I would guess that the excellent form in your new buy, Kisyov, means that he just popped.
Shabbaman
28-12-2005, 23:08
That doesn't really matter, iirc excellent is always excellent low.
Yep that is one of the slight benefits of buying excellents since they will generally have a more standardised price rather than at lower levels where high solids may sell for surprising amounts. Someone could have partially trained the player though.
bed_head7
29-12-2005, 00:40
At this time of the year, it seems that there are more partially trained players out there. I have been spending quite a bit of time on the transfer market, and though I have not actually bought any excellents, there are more than a few out there that have recieved at least a bit of training. Then again, a lot of those players are a bit old to be true trainees, so perhaps there is not a better way for Mistfit.
Also, despite the fact that high solids will go for quite a bit sometimes, they can still be found rather cheap on occasion. I got a high solid PM with inadequate winger, inadequate stamina, and passable scoring for about the same price as the guy Mistfit just bought, or maybe cheaper. And twice the TSI, in passable form. One week of stamina training and a week of half training at winger, and I am hoping to resell this guy with passable stamina and excellent playmaking which should turn me a decent profit.
TSI is a quite unreliable method of judging how high players are though, in my experience. Stamina is a major factor in deciding how high a player's TSI will show up, regardless of his main skill. For example, take a look at these players:
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Even in inadequate form vs solid, the TSI of Snoj is almost twice that of Hoseth, but would you believe that Hoseth, of these two, is actually a few training weeks ahead of Snoj? [lol]
That said, skilltrading in high solids can be really profitable I agree, if you can find the targets.
I have yet to find my second trainee. I wanted to find a player with inad or better passing but they are just really expensive. I may have to lower my standards a bit. I figure I have until the first friendly to find a player. Granted I'd like to find him earlier to get stamina training on him but I do not want to bankrupt my team to get the guy I want.
On a side note the first week of stamina training went well with the exception of my new trainee. He got nothing :(
I found my last trainee. Not as good of a deal as the other guy but he will have to suffice. I paid 180K for him.
Ramon Ventura
TSI = 1 510 , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: excellent Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set pieces: inadequate
Passable stamina helps out as he will only receive one week stamina training.
Now to my cup game.
I have been fussing around with HO to come up with a way to beat the guy from the 5th Division.
I've tried 2 different ways.
1 is to forget the star ratings and try to get as much midfield as possible.
I can achieve a weak very high if I put 2 IM's at wing position and play them towards the middle. I end up with about 31.5 stars this way.
HO says I will win about 36% and lose 33% of the time out of 100K runs.
2 is to get as many stars as possible. If I play a normal 3-5-2 with the wingers offensive I can get about 32.9 stars. Midfield is Weak (very Low) this way.
HO says I will win 36% and lose 36% of the time.
By this I guess I should go with the odd lineup
any suggestions?
I can get a weak counter attack rating because I have a decent defense. Should I try that? My best Penalty kicker is red carded so the best SP guy is at passable.
Shabbaman
02-01-2006, 17:29
Star rating means nothing! Only look at the hatstats, loddar stats or whatever stats, but never look at the stars. The chart in the upper right of the screen is your friend :) Fiddle around some with your players. You should be able to gain the midfield against this 3-4-3 team. Then pray that you'll even score a goal...
You could also gamble if you could predict his offensive wing, and then leave your other wing exposed. Play the other wingback as IM, which leaves you with 2 central defenders (instead of just 1 and 2 wb). My bet is that he plays his right wing offensive.
Another thing to consider is that he might PIC. Then you're lucky. But don't mots. If you still think this match is a sure loss, PIC yourself.
This is the best midfield I can come up with...
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Kind of a strange line up. I put 2 IM's at wing and have them playing towards the middle
It ruins any little attack I have but... I think it may be my best bet
I switched my extra infielder to the wingback possition and flipped a couple of guys around.
Last time I ran the simulator it showed me winning 47% of the time out of 100K tries.
What is weird about this guy is that during his League games he plays 3-4-3 but in his qualification game he played 3-5-2. I wonder which he'll play
Shabbaman
02-01-2006, 21:51
You could play AIM as well, but I doubt that'd make a big difference. His central defense is decent, so I wouldn't count on it. But a weak/vh midfield is nothing to be ashamed of.
bed_head7
02-01-2006, 22:45
By the way, in your economy page, it shows staff costs for 10 more specialists than you accounted for.
I fired some doctors
Edit: It accounts for the temporary 15K in expenses
Ver perceptive btw
Its generally a bad idea to sack doctors between the update and the friendly, with the best time being after the friendly since you know that you definately no longer need the doctors.
Is it possible to get an update on the stamina of your players? I would personally pick Borg and Canturk over Robles in a full IM slot considering you need at least solid stamina to keep your midfielders perform 100% over the course of an entire match. Also, Robles might invoke a negative unpred effect as IM due to his speciality unpredictable, whereas on the wing he can only trigger positive unpredictable events. Then again, you already mentioned you shuffled some players around since that last pic. :)
Also, if need be you could also play IMs as offensive central defenders, though playing true defenders there might indeed be better considering you already overpower this fellow in midfield.
I have so much to learn/remember when doing this...
Sunesson - Canturk - Borg = Excellent Stamina
Ventura = Passable
Robles = Inad
Kisyov = Poor
This was the line-up I came up with:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20061316657_Clipboard01.jpg
This is with your suggested switch for Robles - Note my attack went up and my nidfield stayed the same... Better thanks
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20061316842_Clipboard02.jpg
Here is another question for you. I just realized that the red cards are all gone.
I can play Dietmar Hundseder in the wing possistion instead of one of my IM's.
My midfield rating will drop to Weak (high) instead of Weak (very high) but my wing goes up to Poor (low) from Wretched (low) and he is my best Set Pieces guy as well.
So in short: Is it worth giving up a bit of Midfield to gain wing and set-pieces?
Shabbaman
03-01-2006, 16:37
I think so. You need to score!
Just for fun I thought that I would see what my club would look like with an all out midfield line-up [lol]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200613164121_All_Out_Mid.jpg
You could play two defensive forwards as well.
OK I lost the first match of the season...
MatchID: 66521811
My thought process in choosing my line up was as follows:
1.) I knew I would beat the Penfolds in Midfield no matter what guys I put out there. I put in my 3 best.
2.) I knew I would be outmatched in Defense. The guy rates a Solid (very low) and has a 5.5 star Keeper.
So this is what I did.
I put a very traditional 3-5-2 line-up together with
2 CD
1 Wing back (defensive)
1 IM in the other WB spot (his weaker side)
2 offensive Wingers
2 normal strikers (my best striker was injured)
My thoughts were to try and maximize scoring with still winning the Midfield.
I won ToP 58% first 1/2 and 61% second 1/2
Should I have played my wingers to middle to try and get more top while giving up scoring?
Or is the problem that my strikers/wingers are just not good enough and I should just give up on the idea of winning until I sell some of my trainees and have cash to improve my other possistions?
Looking at the stats of this match
I would even out my defense more so repostion one of the CD's to be the extra midfielder. This guy did not really have a weak side.
And I would have tried to play on his weakness the wing defense. So I would have put forwards to wing and played wing atttack.
May be this would have helped you a bit, but I don't know if it would be enough.
Never give up on winning! With a bit of luck you could have won this.
Kingreno
09-01-2006, 19:39
Hmm, I think your problem is the huge gap on your right side of the field. You put your innermid on defensive whilst already maintaining 2 Central defenders. With your Right winger offensive and no right Wingback that was always going to be an achillesheel. Your opponent always plays offensive wingers and you could have been better off playing only one CD and two WB's, or your innermid on normal for more posession.
So why did you not score? Well the 5.5* keeper helped him...but still you were a bit unlucky. I say your lineup was passable and your luck poor.:)
To add to KR and arne, I think that playing Sunesson defensive wasn't the best option in this case. By playing a MF defensive you are reducing his influence on the attack in favour of helping out in central defense, and when grabbing possession as big as you did you will mainly need a strong offense, with 7 chances your way and 3 against, the offense will be used 7 times in a roll, and the defense 3 times, when deciding the outcome of the game.
Sunesson of course could still have played, as an EIM he would have played as if he were normal so his skills wouldn't have been wasted, and a strong passing IM (like Canturk I suppose) could have taken his place alongside Borg as an offensive IM. This would have strengthened your attack and increased your chances to score goals more than it would have for your opponent to score against you, or so I'd think.
@KR: are you sure on the IM possession increase? I thought they only lose midfield when played towards the wing, not when played either defensively or offensively.
quote: Your opponent always plays offensive wingers and you could have been better off playing only one CD and two WB's, or your innermid on normal for more posession.
If you play an innermid defensive offensive or normal does not matter for his contirbution to the midfield, or at least that's what I read lots of times.
Shabbaman
09-01-2006, 22:07
No, but an offensive central defender does.
Kingreno
10-01-2006, 19:13
Hmm, so an offensive inner mid does NOT reduce posession at all? Reading the rules indeed this seems true. Then forget the remark I made about that![blush]
Update:
I now have my first ever Outstanding player!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2006113155041_Canturk.jpg
And he is the first ever player I've had whose transfer compare is > 1 Mil
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2006113155056_Canturk2.jpg
Another 10 weeks and he will be brilliant!
Shabbaman
13-01-2006, 16:10
Looks like your on the right path Mistfit!
Actually now that I look closer. John Sunneson also popped to Outstanding. He does not Transfer compare out as well (presumably because of lower passing)
So when I do end up selling these guys... What age and skill should I be looking for?
Shabbaman
13-01-2006, 17:19
You could sell them now, but I think it's perfectly acceptable to keep training them until they're 21.
I'd continue training Canturk, his experience will be a big limitation on his current price, it really needs to be wretched or better when selling players with high levels.
After chatting with Shabba I was considering selling the other...
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IMHO, sell but only if you need the money. I've been in a similar situation with a scoring trainee and sold him at outstanding as well. Must admit, it was not a very smart move. I would have been better off keeping training him for at least one more season. But I needed cash and badly. However, now I'm thinking of where did this cash go and can't recall anything particularly useful, may be stadium expansion for 600K which was long overdue. Where did other 400K go, I have no idea, some crappy old players which helped me a bit to get through may be.
Well I did not listen to akots suggestion. I sold John Sunneson.
quote:Transfers for John Sunesson
--Date------- From----------- To-------------- Price --------TSI then
1/17/2006 Mistfits_Maraude--Ac Hervanta---1 219 000 US$--5 850
6/13/2005 IFK Goofers---- Mistfit's_Maraud-- 77 000 US$--660
If I am figuring that right it comes out to 38K per week increase for 30 weeks. Not bad IMHO.
Now I have 1.3 mil in treasury to play with...
I would like to keep 300K in the bank for "just in case" money which leaves me 1 mil.
I need a trainee (possibly 3)so I'd like to hear your suggestions as to skill levels, ages, secondaries that I should be looking for.
After loosing my second straight match of the new season I do not think there is a chance I will be able to win my division this season.
I will however be selling 2 more players towards the end of this season for aproximately the same kind of cash if not more. My Idea is to spend this cash on trainee's only and spend some of the cash I get for my other 2 sales late in the season on improving my team in hopes of winning next season.
Shabba and I talked a bit about my replacement trainee. He suggested buying a 19 yr old formidable PM guy to train for 2-3 seasons.
I am also considering buying at least 2 if not 4 more trainees to fill out my wing possisitions. I have never really trained much in those places so I am losing out there as well. I presume that a good wing rating is important for that but I would appreciate any help in what I should be looking for there as well.
Prices for IM's seem to be pretty high right now....
I will continue to look
I suppose you could buy some 19 year old excellent PMs for the winger slots to train to formi in a season... real PM-winger trainees tend to be really expensive, as they need to have very high wing skill to start with plus at least inadequate PM.
What would you suggest for my full time training spot?
18 yr old excellent or 19 yr old formidable?
btw look for an update of your logo in a sec... posting now
socralynnek
20-01-2006, 09:02
I'd say 18 year old excellent. As they will be significantly cheaper (or should be) and so the training is worth more.
I think I found a reasonable deal for my new trainee.
He will be playing on my friendly squad for a while so I am not really overly concerned with his bad form. Inad Stamina can be corrected at the end of this season or the next. His passing his horrible but I believe his passable defense makes up for it.
I paid 412K US$ for him.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2006120183416_TJ.jpg
By only spending 40% of my trainee budget I can also not go out and look for some winger/pm trainee's now to fill out my training regement.
Shabbaman
20-01-2006, 18:46
Looks good. With players like this you can boost your defense. Now you only need scoring forwards!
I don't know if this makes me feel better or worse...
It seems that per HatStat USA that I play in the 12th best series (VI.180) in Division VI. This is out of 1024 series in VI.
http://usa.hatstats.info/series.php?level=6
No wonder I'm having such a hard time ;)
[sunn]Well a very exciting training day for me! Both of my 20 yr old IM's popped skills today giving me one Brilliant and one Outstanding.
I am begging for your guidance![please]
Sell one?
Sell both?
How much as a starting price?
These are the guys and their TC's
Ville Borg ([shabba] or [ynnek] - you could have a borg on your team)
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200631744744_VilleBorg_stat.jpg http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200631744824_VilleBorg_tc.jpg
Yetkin Canturk
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200631744942_YetkinCanturk_stat.jpg http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/200631745023_YetkinCanturk_tc.jpg
Tell me the timing on thier form was not perfect!
I think I am leaning to selling both. I am currently in first place in my series and have a "decent chance" of promoting this season. I plan on MoTS'ing this weekend and will have one other difficult match the last day of the season.
If I sell them I think I will be ok in the IM posisition even if I do promote because my secondary guys are fairly strong. None have the passing that these 2 do but most are pretty decent at defense.
[nowait]I dunno what to do... sell one? sell both? hold em till they are 21?
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20063174577_The_Rest.jpg
I am very weak in my striker posisition. Both of my starters are basically throw away players at this point due to their age and low stats.
Side Note:
I don't know if this is the way it is around the globe but the timing of the training updates and leage games stinks! You do not have enough time between when the training comes around to put them on the market to sell during the next leage game.
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OK those are my selling questions...
When that is done I hope to have 3-3.5 mil (USD) to play with.
What do you guys suggest for:
1.) new trainees - Do I spend a boat load of cash on new trainees and try to get them as good as I can? Or do I train a very young reletively cheap player to bring them up long term?
2.) I need 2 new strikers... Where should I start to look? What secondaries make the biggest difference?
My thought was to take the sale of both of these guys and spend aprox 1/2 of it on 2 new trainees and 1/2 on new strikers.
HELP!
Shabbaman
17-03-2006, 08:41
Both options are ok. You could decide to sell the outstanding guy and keep the brilliant one for a season. There's not much of a best strategy, I think. The major reason to keep them for some time is that you can't miss them, but that's for you to decide. That, and that the transfer market usually isn't at it's best at the end of the season.
Difficult call. As the TC also somewhat shows, the market for IMs is crashing heavily atm, but this most heavily seems to concern single skill IMs, and not those with passing such as yours.
If you really need the cash for better strikers, like shabba I'd sell the outstanding guy since good forwards can also be picked up cheaply these days, and replacing trainees with such good secondaries is not an easy task.
(And concerning the side note, this is indeed the case in all leagues [sad]).
edit: as for new trainees, it heavily depends on what kind of money your sale will get you. For forwards, don't look for secondaries but get the best scoring skill you can afford, and make sure they have a speciality such as quick or unpredictable! (Head is okay as well)
Passing is heavily overrated imo, unless you want to be AIM/AOW-ing all the time, and as for FTWs... dunno they're not my cup of tea but perhaps KR has a different opinion, he uses FTWs with some success it seems. :)
Ok how about this then... will my club as a whole be better if I were to sell these guys and buy some really good (for my division) strikers -vs- keeping them
My current forwards are both solid with no special decernable other talents (for referance one is 2.5 star the other is 3)
Shabbaman
17-03-2006, 14:50
Well, that depends. Midfield passing adds considerably to your offence, so it's depending on what you put in their place. And it's the midfield that generates scoring chances. Still, if you can sell them for the right price, you will get better. So just try to sell them for what you want for them.
If it's possible, try to pick up a forward with passable wing. FTW is great.
Put them on the Market for a combined 3.5 mil... we will see if they sell
Edit:
Neither of them sold for what I wanted out of them so I guess I will keep them til their next pop and make due with the strikers I have.
Shabbaman
20-03-2006, 15:15
It's a very bad period... but a very bad period for selling strikers as well. So a good time for buying strikers. You could try again to sell one. Or just keep on training.
ok here's the deal:
1.) I currently have 875,000 USD in the bank
2.) I have my best IM is on the market now for 2 mil (I hope to get 2.5)
3.) I have lots of needs and need help prioritizing (sp?)
I know I will need a good IM trainee replacement - I'm thinking of a formid 19 yr old with good secondaries so he can jump in sooner rather than later.
I need a stadium upgrade as I sell out every match
I need to win some matches this season or I will auto demote...
What to do?
Tubby Rower
30-05-2006, 17:01
Maybe I'll switch leagues with you [lol]
Shabbaman
30-05-2006, 17:12
quote:Originally posted by Mistfit
I need a stadium upgrade as I sell out every match
I need to win some matches this season or I will auto demote...
Hm, that does not compute...
Well, do what I do, give up, save cash and get yourself a new medal next season.
well seeing that if I do autodemote I should be on a winning streak next season... how big should I make my stadium? I currently have 1480 supporters... 30,000 seats?
Shabbaman
30-05-2006, 18:17
I don't know. My stadium isn't that large either. But since you'll be loosing most matches this season anyway, size it for a bad streak. Aim low if you want to save cash, 30k for 1500 supporters and 28k for 1400 supporters.
The initial costs are peanuts these days, so there's not much of a reason to get a huge stadium now.
I think hoarding huge stockpiles of cash is going to be my strategy. Interest income seems a solid way of making money, with the moronic state of the transfer market.
OK.. I am now into my 8th season of HT and I do not feel like I am progressing in the game at all anymore.. I am coming back to beg for guidance.
Sit Rep:
I have taken 3rd/4th place in my series for the last 3 season but do not seem to be gaining much ground.
My series:
http://alltid.org/league/8508
Note that the new teams have not been updated this season yet...
This us the ugly band of Marauders I am currently playing with:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2007722202346_Team1.jpghttp://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2007722202437_Team2.jpg
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2007722202517_Team3.jpghttp://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2007722202546_Team4.jpg
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2007722202618_Team5.jpg
I am currently training GK's between Outstanding and Magnificent but am willing to change training if someone can clue me in as to what is a good regiment.
This is a pretty good indication as to the strengths of my team:
Mistfit's_Marauders
Player rating and team formation
Team Attitude: Normal
Tactic: Attack on wings
Tactic skill: excellent
Midfield: inadequate (very high)
Right Defence: inadequate (very high)
Central Defence: inadequate (very low)
Left Defence: inadequate (low)
Right Attack: passable (very low)
Central Attack: inadequate (high)
Left Attack: passable (high)
HatStats 178
Defence 55
Midfield 60
Attack 63
My Economy is iffy. I make around 60-70K per 2 weeks
I have 2048 supporters and a 40K seat arena
Any and all suggestions welcome
sz_matyas
22-07-2007, 22:20
Hmm, being relatively new you'll have to take my comments with a grain of salt, but I may have a couple of suggestions.
1) 8 seasons isn't a terribly long time to have a team despite what instant gratification may tell you. Hattrick is specifically designed for long commitments/planning and you are the newest kid on the block of competitors in your league. To counter this you can't play a revenue neutral strategy, either overspend and lose money (instant results) or be willing to save money and make long term investments.
2) Your team is exceptionally balanced, that is good for the status quo and means you don't have any glaring weaknesses, but also could harm your development as a team if this is a goal (especially as far as long term planning goes). That also does nothing to keep your opponents off balance and react to you.
3) Don't carry players you have no intention/situation for starting. Yeah, Leon van der Arend is a decent player, cheap and has nice experience, but should one of your guys get injured I see you replacing him on the market rather than consistently starting this guy. Since you play a 3-5-2, I'd suggest carrying 2 GKs, 4 (maybe 5 to give you a bit more formation flexibility) defenders, 4 IMs, 3 Wingers and 3 forwards. This is 17-18 players including your coach. The others may not cost much in salary, but they cost some and that money could be saved. If you have a solid back up at each position, you can also save money by maybe only carrying a couple physios and doctors (with no one hurt I wouldn't recommend more than 3 on the payroll and only go more if it is a long term injury where you can't cover well).
4) Embrace changes to the game. They say they are going to try and promote secondary skills, see if you can't trade off your world-class/weak/weak IM for a magnificent/passable/? IM etc. You might notice a small drop in performance temporarily, but gain 7K/week (100K/season) in salary and gain back the performance if they change the rules (If you have the money though, buy before you sell so that way you know you have a replacement before you get left holding the bag and definitely use a minimum asking price) Also for your skill level consider training secondary skills. You aren't going to be making much money off of training without significantly crippling one of your positions, so get over it. You have a fairly young team, train short passes or something, the mark-up is great but it helps your team and you don't lose money (just as an example). On the other hand I would get your current GKs up a couple levels as the should probably be magnificent/world-class to compete at your level.
5) Realize that without significant cup/daytrading income you aren't going to rise above middle of the pack div IV no matter how good you get. Stalling out at a high level isn't always a bad thing
Upgrading your stadium now that it's cheaper isn't a terrible idea, but I'd definitely work on repositioning your team to take it in a new direction before worrying too much about that especially as higher ticket prices should help you out for the short run.
Shabbaman
22-07-2007, 22:59
I don't think you really need a world class GK. I'm still fine with an excellent one. What you should do is focus. Your team lacks an edge over your opponent. You could improve your offense/midfield, or (which makes sense as a GK trainer) your defense (and play counter). The only games you win now are the games against teams with a weaker midfield plus a weak defense. And you even failed in that this week, I saw.
First thing to do is to stop with AOW. You only have 1 strong wing attack, the other wing sucks. It weakens your central defense, and doesn't give you much in return.
sz_matyas
22-07-2007, 23:44
While I agree that he may not need a WC goalie now, I think that to be competitive in div IV you should aim to have most of your players at the WC level. As he is training GK right now it is easiest to go up to that level an not worry about it for the future. Or if he wants his focus elsewhere sell off the goalies and don't worry about it, but brilliant/magnificent isn't really the range to be in long term for his position.
Still overly balanced is terrible if you don't dominate the competition.
do you already have a solid leadership coach? This will give you the ability to profit from picced games.
IMHO, you are doing quite OK. And you do certainly need a better GK to be able to compete. You just need to make a few extra bucks here and there and buy yourself some better midfield, with better secondaries. And get a decent leadership coach. Once you hit solid high at home while motsing, you should be able at least to win the league and may be to promote. That's IMHO and for each team there is its own way.
Tubby Rower
23-07-2007, 13:03
One thing that I've noticed is that you have a bunch of extra players that aren't really needed. If you want to be crazy sell the extras and maybe one of your lower skilled players and upgrade your attack or defense. According to Alltid, your beating everyone (even if slightly) in the midfield. So either focus on your attack or defense. Since you are training GK, I would focus on your attack. Go out and get a superstar. You don't need SP since you got a SN SP guy in Daaf Leroi.
As far as training... it really depends on what you want to do. With your team kind of stagnating, I'd sell a GK trainee (save some of that money for a backup in case your GK gets injured). I would keep one of the brilliant GK's as that keeps you from having to get better defenders since the GK adds to all defensive ratings. Then train Passing. Not for profit, but for the skill. Passing should help you out all around.
Hmm, might be I'm complicating matters a bit here but in general, I think you need to be able to field a good balanced squad without aiming to field a good balanced squad.
Flexibility, imho, is king in hattrick, and to achieve that you need to have great, but not superb players in all key positions. Make sure you have the players needed to field a succesful 5-3-2, 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 strategy, and you can adopt to any situation. You can of course focus on certain positions a bit more than others as per preference, the exact way on how to fill in the player positions depends on style, and above all, your financial possibilities.
It does not look like Marauders actually need anything apart from a solid 3-5-2 setup for now to progress in the league. So, aiming for all formations might be too much of a burden atm but a great idea in general. But I've just briefly looked at the league and did not go much into details.
In all honesty, I did not analyze the league at all. :)
It's just a general philosophy that I think works well in HT... then again, I'm a mid-table contender in my own league too, so maybe it doesn't bring you championships when you want them.
ok.. it has been a while and while Matt has given me some wonderful suggestions I thought I would update you on my team and see if you all had any suggestions to improving the Marauders. I am pretty pleased with my team as it is but I think I need some more players in general as I do not have much for back-ups to cover injuries.
The team:
IM's
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/mistfit/200811901944_IM.jpg
Defenders:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/mistfit/200811902032_Defenders.jpg
Wings:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/mistfit/200811902114_Wing.jpg
Forwards:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/mistfit/200811902148_Strikers.jpg
Well those are the boys.. any overall suggestions? Ploys? Cheats (well ok none of those)
I currently mostly play 3-5-2 with the occasional 4-5-1 mostly straight up but occasionally AOW if the team I am playing warrants it.
My goal is to move to akots division in 2 seasons.
sz_matyas
19-01-2008, 06:22
Wow, don't think I've seen your whole team together before and must say I'm jealous. Couple of important notes for those giving critiques:
1) You have a 17 yr old GK you are training for the US U20 team
2) You need to replace your coach before too long
That said you have a nice dilemma for a team building exercise, a lot of very nice pieces, no true week spots and you are already competitive for the title. With this in mind I'm going to give my hand at trying to design a 2 season strategy to win you the title while leaving you competitive for a very tough div IV (figuring your top GK will be WC+ at the time of promotion I won't worry about him)
Since you are doing hard core training, stamina will likely be at 10% (assuming he needs to bump up a level slowly and you are pushing him along a good idea as stamina affects training time supposedly and you don't want to get caught with the new match engine heavily into stamina), this means youth is a premium, but one that you can't afford too much of with the push for the title.
Defender: You need 1 more
Emanuel goes, but wait until at least next season, when his PM will boost his value significantly
Czcibor goes, not an urgent threat, but his experience and skills make him a non-factor for you
Replacements: Ideally you want 2 players with brilliant D, passable winger, and some PM (a hidden skill since they are nerfing WTM, you can make up for it with power wings and some PM in D) as well as weak experience and around 25 starting next season. These cost ~$1.6M each. You also want to perhaps pull down a mag-WC defender with hidden PM probably $2M (since you want a 5th defender). Net cost: ~$3.5M
IM: Uwe and Bogomil go and get replaced by WC players Patricio can be replaced by a younger version of himself, but don't rush it he can hold his own.
Net cost: ~$1.5M
Winger: Svein goes, buy someone exactly like him (age, experience, PM, passing are great) except with WC winger
Net cost: ~$1.2M
Forward: Mees and Fernando go, replace with magnificent to WC scorers again ~24-25 weak experience, Winger is a hidden stat especially if you go for a 4-5-1 formation in div IV, with FTW nerfed it might drive down prices, but you can use it to your advantage. Offense promotes you, defense maintains, so don't skimp too much on forwards right now.
Net cost: ~1M
New coach: D minded passable leader starting in 2 seasons (i.e. buy him now) cost:~$800K
Total:$8M, this is assuming you have ~$2M on hand after the sale of your current player and can pull $3M a season between youth, a solid cup run (cup is more important than league next season [goal of 4th or 5th round] and you should be able to play both in two seasons) and a 50K seat stadium. If I'm off in my estimates on cash and prices feel free to correct me (kind of winging it based on what I've been trying with my team). Also this is how I would do it, though it's clearly your team and there are players here who are higher up than me so take there advice a bit more highly.
It's gonna be rough on the short timeline, but this is just an amazing bunch you've got here (Christian Philbert is truly a stud player, man do his stats look amazing).
Looks good, you are making nice progress and crunching some fine TSI numbers and stars. [goodjob] Just do not try to hurry too much, IMO, this game takes time and patience. If you don't make it in 2 seasons, you can always make it in 3. IMHO, to comfortably survive in Div IV, you might want to double your top 11 TSI 138K to 275K. With 275K - 300K it should be fine of course depending on the actual league. If you go too fast, you might have not enough income to support the players.
looking at your squad I have one general comment, I think you should start to work on your salary management. I did not see a single american player. Which adds 20% to the salaries you have to pay. And only a few guys have an secundary skill. multiskill players are expensive to buy, but cheap in salary. Knowing that next season they will start to make multiskills perfom better in the matchengine would give me the impression you need to pay more attention to that.
Agree on arne's comments on salary management (paying less is always good) but I don't think you've reached the skill levels that this starts to pay off yet.
For example, a foreign WC IM earns about 17K vs a domestic IM having a paycheck of about 14K. Assuming the average lifespan of a player is about 4, maybe 5 seasons (23-27 years) in your squad (optimistic I think), you'll be saving 15*5*3K = 225K in wages. Make sure you factor this in when buying a domestic player, who might sell at a premium price and could end up costing more in transfer price than that he saves in wages.
For defenders/forwards/wingers, the savings are even less, since they by default earn less salary than IMs anyway.
My opinion on the squad would be to definitely get at least one extra IM to increase versatility in your squad, he can either function as a second WTM, or alternatively be used as an OCD/DF when you'll focus on wing attacks.
Thanks so much for the in depth analysis guys.. it really helps.
American players are few ad far between indeed. As to my GK's I think I will need to think hard about what to do with my top guy.. overall it may take 3 seasons just because of my GK situation. I am thinking I will need to sell my top guy once he hits WC to keep from over-training him but that is a ways off so...
EDIT: I just looked at the next 3 days of the transfer list and their was not a single guy in any of the catagories that Matt suggested changes in that were American.. I don't know if an American team is a viable option but.. certainly something to look for if comparing 2 guys... Well there was one IM that was american.. but he was TItanic and opening price was 5 mil :O
quote:New coach: D minded passable leader starting in 2 seasons (i.e. buy him now) cost:~$800K
He#345;man Ond#345;ej (83440297) [Add this player to your bookmarks]
34 years and 17 days, inadequate form, healthy
A nasty fellow who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has solid experience and passable leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 4/23/2008
Nationality: flag #268;eská republika
Total Skill Index (TSI): 310
Wage: 684 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Mistfit's_Marauders
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: formidable Passing: wretched
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous
will this guy work?
Shabbaman
19-01-2008, 18:15
Sure, but while you're at it, why not buy a solid/solid?
Mistfit is right, there is just a handful of US native players on the market usually put on Transfer list overpriced and I gave up on trying to buy US players quite a while ago. Overall, US is a rather small country in the world of HT compared to many other European powers.
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