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grs
17-05-2005, 11:09
After almost 2 months I finally got a team. It seems I got a used one formerly known as "Preetzer Kickers". I was placed into a league in the German 8th divison "Series: VIII.851 (65218)". My team number is 132354.

My team
quote:Your 18 players

Arne Kirste
TSI = 610 , 26 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: solid Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

Chris Zierl
TSI = 260 , 27 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: passable
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate

Christoffer Huttunen
TSI = 1 950 , 25 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: wretched

Christoffer Saucken
TSI = 300 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: solid

Elias Herrmannsdörfer
TSI = 0 , 49 years, wretched form
Has formidable experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

Hendrik Wilderer
TSI = 1 120 , 20 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: weak

Ilja Constantin Hölzlhammer
TSI = 30 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: disastrous
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: solid

Jan Bjarne Kampke
TSI = 230 , 28 years, poor form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

Klaus Bostelmann
TSI = 250 , 21 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Leif Valenta
TSI = 1 140 , 27 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: solid

Luca Muuss
TSI = 1 130 , 26 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: disastrous

Marcus Wachtler
TSI = 1 190 , 25 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: solid
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate

Mario Luthardt
TSI = 30 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak

Matthes Fetsch
TSI = 230 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched

Slaven Braèanov
TSI = 240 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate

Tasoulis Varvatos
TSI = 490 , 27 years, weak form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor

Tellis Xidas
TSI = 220 , 25 years, solid form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: poor
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate

Wolfgang Kunheim
TSI = 500 , 24 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor

My trainer
quote:Elias Herrmannsdörfer (65098696)
49 years, wretched form, healthy
A weak trainer who is defensive minded
A pleasant guy who is calm and upright.
Has formidable experience and wretched leadership abilities.


Speciality: Unpredictable

Nationality: Deutschland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 0
Wage: 500 €/week
Owner: Grünclub
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: disastrous Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0

grs
17-05-2005, 11:20
Ok, although I read various advice threads here and on other sites some more questions:

It seems it is interseason now.
Should I draft youth players?
Invest in Youth Squad?
Specialist worth it for me already?
My arena has a capacity of 12.000 (3.000 seats, 1.000 under roof). Seems ok for 8th league, is it?
Any other tips?

grs
17-05-2005, 12:36
I have already been challenged for a friendly match using cup rules tonight. I should accept and put the players I want to profit from training into the team setup, correct? Only these players profit from the training?

ProPain
17-05-2005, 12:40
My team
quote:Your 18 players

Arne Kirste
TSI = 610 , 26 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: solid Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

nice winger, keep him around


Chris Zierl
TSI = 260 , 27 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: passable
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate

Passable passing is nice as a secondary skill, sadly he lacks a primary skill. Sack him.


Christoffer Huttunen
TSI = 1 950 , 25 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: wretched

Very nice alround player with passable passsing to boot. Keep him, he can play midfield and defense.


Christoffer Saucken
TSI = 300 , 24 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: solid

Nice forward. Keep him.


Elias Herrmannsdörfer
TSI = 0 , 49 years, wretched form
Has formidable experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

The coach


Hendrik Wilderer
TSI = 1 120 , 20 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: weak

Another ok player, could be forward or winger. Still young enough to train as well.


Ilja Constantin Hölzlhammer
TSI = 30 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: disastrous
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: solid

Half decent defender. I;d keep him around untill you find a better one, pity that solid is on set pieces.


Jan Bjarne Kampke
TSI = 230 , 28 years, poor form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

ok defender.


Klaus Bostelmann
TSI = 250 , 21 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

ok playmaker. again a pity set pieces is solid. Solid primary skills are so much more practical.


Leif Valenta
TSI = 1 140 , 27 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: solid

Nice one, needs some stamina training but will be a nice playmaker that can double as a forward when the need arises. You dont have to worry about your set pieces I notice.


Luca Muuss
TSI = 1 130 , 26 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: disastrous

Nice forward


Marcus Wachtler
TSI = 1 190 , 25 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: solid
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate

Another pretty versatile player. Solid defending is good, and still young enough to last you a few seasons.



Mario Luthardt
TSI = 30 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak

TSI=30 [lol] Fire him!


Matthes Fetsch
TSI = 230 , 25 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched

ok defender.


Slaven Braèanov
TSI = 240 , 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate

Another forward. Young enough to train


Tasoulis Varvatos
TSI = 490 , 27 years, weak form
Has poor experience and wretched leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor

another ok defender.


Tellis Xidas
TSI = 220 , 25 years, solid form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: poor
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate

Terrible player in solid form [crazyeye] Fire him


Wolfgang Kunheim
TSI = 500 , 24 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor

Could play as forward or defender.





My trainer
quote:Elias Herrmannsdörfer (65098696)
49 years, wretched form, healthy
A weak trainer who is defensive minded
A pleasant guy who is calm and upright.
Has formidable experience and wretched leadership abilities.


Speciality: Unpredictable

Nationality: Deutschland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 0
Wage: 500 €/week
Owner: Grünclub
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: disastrous Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0

The usual crappy coach

ProPain
17-05-2005, 17:01
And after long downtime delay:

Looking at your players I'd go with forward training:

Wilderer, 20 years, passable scoring
Braeanov, 19 years, passable scoring
Kunheim, 24 years, passable scoring

And you could even consider adding Wachtler to that list although is 25 and is your best defender so I;d let him defend.

Better trainees than I;ve ever seen in a starting team. Buy yourself a few <20 years passable forwards after the next season has started and you're in business.

Investing in a youth squad is always worth while, start with 5K or 10k. Never lower the amount you're spending on it, you'll lose a lvl immediately! Pull a youth player every week, chances are slim you get a decent one as long as your YS is crappy, but you never know.

12.000 seats is enough for 8th division

When you accept the friendly you should field the players you want to train on the position that applies to their training. So should you decide to train scoring only your forwards will receive training!

Plux
17-05-2005, 17:15
Agree with PP, very nice squad you have to start with. But obviously you lack a good goalie. That's what I would be looking for first on the transfer market. But chances are that in the first few pulls you might already get a better one from your youth squad than your current one so might want to try that in stead(and I would always invest in my YS, even in the early days I already had some decent pulls).

Kingreno
17-05-2005, 17:20
Start by training Stamina (Quick glance you average poor!) for at least 2 weeks, by then you can always decide what to train long term.

grs
17-05-2005, 17:26
What I do not quite get:
If I train scoring, only the players playing offense will profit, but that is still better than training stamina, which all players will profit from? Does it make any sense to aim to win the (friendly/cup rules) game, or is it better just to field the players I want to train?

ProPain
17-05-2005, 17:34
stamina training: all players receive training. Officially (accroding Hattrick rules) only players that have been fielded should receive training but in reality they all receive training

Scroing training: only players that play on the forward positions on league and friendly match receive training. Please note: offensive does not equal forward!!!!

So for the interseason weeks, where you only get one match, stamina training is always a solid choice! However stamina training loses you form and generally players gain a stamina level each week, so generally you dont want nor need to train stamina for a long time. On top of that it's not very profitable unless you start playmaker daytrading schemes. Very time consuming and murder on your TS, ask Kemal :) he's the xpert on this.

Forward training will improve your forwards and thus make em more expensive. Especially in lower level leagues this will be your primary source of income, I used to be happy if I wouldn't lose money during 'normal' league period untill I hit 6th div.

So you could opt for :
- 2 weeks of stamina
- switch to scoring

On top of that is doesnt matter one bit if you win/lose a friendly match (no matter the cup/.normal rules) so just field the players you wanna train.

grs
17-05-2005, 17:42
Ok, so I will keep my training on stamina for now (as I set it that way before the forum was back). I already increased my stadium, since I read prices will go up drastically once the season starts, I'll see how wasted that was...

Lastly one more question before my first match: Does it change training success if a player is fielded from the start or is replaced (into or out of the game) during the match? (Though it won't matter in my 1st game sinceI train stamina now.)

akots
17-05-2005, 17:47
A rather good starting squad indeed. :)

You don't need to win the friendlies. League games may be worth trying to win sometimes but not at the expense of training.

Also, seems better to just train stamina indeed for a couple of weeks. The form would be terrible anyhow after the interseasonal break. Seems that you need to fire only 4 players. I've had to fire 10 almost instantly.

With the starting money you can buy a new coach (after the next season starts) with solid skill and poor leadership and 2 more scoring trainees. 18-19-year-old with passable scoring and weak/inadequate passing for about 10-15K each also after the next season starts.

Kemal
17-05-2005, 18:19
Indeed you need a goalie, as Plux said, but you can already get a passable with some experience for about 20-30K, so that's easily fixed.

As for training stamina, since midfield is the most important factor to win games, and for midfielders to perform well they need at least solid stamina, you either need to buy yourself good stamina midfielders, or train them to it. If you decide to train for say 4-5 weeks, I'd heavily recommend to put cash into the stamina gambit since that means very easy profit early on, and stamina training requires no good coach, you can get him from your training profits after say 4-5 weeks.

Downside is that you will probably not promote this first season, however the squad you will end up with will easily achieve promotion the season after then, I think. For more info on the stamina gambit, look up yndy's team on hattrick and visit his club page, there is a link there with some detailed info on how the stamina gambit works. Again, I can really recommend it for newcomers, my team was an absolute disaster when starting out, and it really helped me get good results in the 2nd season. :)

socralynnek
17-05-2005, 18:30
You should play 3-4-3 in your friendly today. (Chose additional forward in the options of a defender)
By that way, your players will be less irritated if you play 3-4-3 in your cup match next week and in the league ( I guess you should be in the cup). Since you will train forwards you always want to play with three (so, best is either 3-4-3 or 4-3-3, 2-5-3 only in exceptional cases).

Dell19
17-05-2005, 19:27
You should be able to pick up some cheap 17 or 18 year old forwards at the moment who have passable scoring and a bit of passing or a specialty.

socralynnek
17-05-2005, 19:28
Very interesting.
Your cup match is announced on your matches site, but not for next wekk, but for today...should be a bug, but I guess you will play against that team next week.
My cup match is also running now...LOL...
Good that I have set a standard line-up ;)

socralynnek
17-05-2005, 19:31
For those of you that don't believe me that Grünclub is playing two matches now:



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/socralynnek/2005517183111_pokalbug.jpg
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Dell19
17-05-2005, 19:32
All the cup matches can be calculated after the last game of the season. I'm playing Giant Gnomes. Not sure what you mean by running now?

The cup game is running but not displaying any match events. Might need to inform the German GM.

socralynnek
17-05-2005, 19:45
quote:Originally posted by Dell19

All the cup matches can be calculated after the last game of the season. I'm playing Giant Gnomes. Not sure what you mean by running now?

The cup game is running but not displaying any match events. Might need to inform the German GM.


They know it by now, there is athread on the conferences with 85 posts in 30 minutes...
I am curious, how long they will take to get the matches off the database and at the right time...

grs
17-05-2005, 20:34
quote:Originally posted by socralynnek

quote:Originally posted by Dell19

All the cup matches can be calculated after the last game of the season. I'm playing Giant Gnomes. Not sure what you mean by running now?

The cup game is running but not displaying any match events. Might need to inform the German GM.


They know it by now, there is athread on the conferences with 85 posts in 30 minutes...
I am curious, how long they will take to get the matches off the database and at the right time...
Seems like a big fuss about nothing. Since the Live-log doesn't update, the cup matches will be reset before next week.

grs
17-05-2005, 20:55
Grünclub - BFC De-Luxe 2 - 5
Date: 17.05.2005 at 18:00
MatchID: 39869269
Arena: Grünclub Arena
Crowd: 91 (good I increased my arena's capacity [cry])

HIGHLIGHTS

0-1 Marco Arm (5)
1-1 Klaus Bostelmann (7)
1-2 Bernd Kuhi (22)
1-3 Wolfgang Baron von Reichenbach (48)
1-4 Marco Arm (61)
2-4 Christoffer Saucken (62)
2-5 Baltram Hessl (81)

(Y) Arne Kirste (33)
(Y) Marcus Wachtler (86)

+ one of my better players injured for 2 weeks.

Kemal
17-05-2005, 21:06
quote:Originally posted by grs


Crowd: 91 (good I increased my arena's capacity [cry])



[sad], is it allowed to ask by how much you increased the stadium, and more importanly, how much you spent on it?
There is a tricky thing to expanding the stadium as you need certain percentages of each type of seat to have maximum efficiency on your capacity, for which special arena sizer tools on the net have been created to help people out with..

grs
17-05-2005, 21:09
1.000 of each category (except VIP) for 200k.

Dell19
17-05-2005, 21:22
62.5%, 25%, 10%, 2.5% +/- 0.5% for each type.

Kemal
17-05-2005, 21:46
Not too bad an upgrade then, at least the figures are near the optimal percentages of the arena sizer. :)

My personal opinion on your situation now:
Since you've invested heavily into crowd/supporter gains already, I think the forward training routine might be more beneficial indeed, as it will also sooner see your side win heavily, bringing in the supps to attract more crowd to home games. However, perhaps trying to get 2 more inadequate stamina/solid playmakers of about 23-24 years is advisable I think, as you really need to take control of the midfield to give your strikers the chance to show their abilities in matches. Those inadequate stamina Playmakers can then profit from your 2-3 weeks of mandatory early on stamina training too, drastically reducing costs for your team (since excellent/solid PMs go for over twice the price of inadequate/solid PMs it seems. While you already have 2 decent Playmakers (Ventula and Huttunen), having at least 4 is advisable due to suspensions and injuries.

If possible, also try to look for PMs with weak passing or defending, or at least poor in both these categories. Should not cost anything extra, but they sure influence the team a lot more than when they'd have disastrous in these categories.

grs
17-05-2005, 21:49
Well...according to Dell's formula:

optimal___my arena
9375______9000
3750______4000
1500______2000
_375_________0

yndy
21-05-2005, 10:32
Hi grs, I see you already got good advice, just to add some more, the arena stunt you pulled was a little [weed] but you'll manage. It's important to know that the optimal arena size is guestimated by the size of your fan club and the performance of your club. In the event that you manage a mid-division position (that includes winning every now and then) you arena should be about 30 times your supporter club. You started with 100 supporters and you now have an arena which is good enough for 500 supporters which you will be getting in about two seasons.

So now you should not worry about the stadium for 2 seasons, it's sufficiently optimal as it is now.

grs
30-05-2005, 10:43
My new fabulous goalie (pulled from my youth squad which has risen to poor now).

quote:Werner Poll (66039259)
22 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and upright.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities.

Nationality: Deutschland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 340
Wage: 692 €/week
Owner: Grünclub
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy


Stamina: wretched Goaltending: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched

Kemal
30-05-2005, 11:08
I would want to advise buying an inadequate goalie with over or around 1400 TSI in passable form, with at least weak experience... these can be bought for less than 10K at the market and will perform as well as a decent passable without experience.
Since the goalkeeper has the strongest influence on all 3 defense ratings, it would I think be a considerable increase in team skill for a very low price.

Btw, for exact keeper ratings, visit www.hottrick.org and click keeper tool, a very useful program.