War and Intelligence on Stout911 and Orc77

[Whomp]

Well he got me again. My attack rating has dropped from 1,000,000 to around 560,000. He has done quite a number on me with his spies.
I will make it my mission to improve my spies and make him miserable.

11 minutes ago stout911 Sabotage 1 0
12 minutes ago stout911 Sabotage 1 1
12 minutes ago stout911 Sabotage 1 1
14 minutes ago stout911 Sabotage 1 0

[DrAlimentado]

To make him miserable you dont need spies - they cannot hurt hum at all in fact.

The only way to hurt stout911 directly is to mass attack him - lots of people all hit him (preferably at once more or less) with lots of 1 turn attacks repeatedly. That way he loses spies in casaulties. But its unlikely we can really seriously hurt him, like enough to put him out of the game.

And he can sab all of us more or less - even if we get a higher sentry rating than his 900k spy rating he will still be able to sab us say 1/10 times.

We could also hurt orc77 - with sabs or attacks as normal.

[Shabbaman]

I'd say we mass attack him for 2 to 3 turns each, just to give him an idea. But let's make his officers feel the pain, if we can bring the pain on them. Let's see if we can force them to leave his command. That would hurt him, perhaps the only way.

[DrAlimentado]

well if I am to start attacking these guys it had better be final - I want to go on with this account and I cant do that if I have to either sell all my weapons or have my weapons sabbed.

I dont mind if we all go kamikaze - but potentially stout911 can sab all of our weapons to buggery so I only want to get involved if we are all ready to die in a blaze of glory... attacking him/his officers with half measures seems pointless.

He also has an officer who is rated higher than any of us, I tried to recon him but failed - no retaliation for the recon yet, and if we can not draw him in it would be to our advantadge.

[Shabbaman]

Well... he already sabotaged all my weapons to buggery, so there's not much to loose. Same goes for whomp, and Meli doesn't have anything left so sabotage either.

[Melifluous]

And so my spy skills are sufficient to penetrate the veil that was Stout911's sentry.


Unit Type Attack Specialist Defense Specialist Untrained
Mercenaries ??? 0 ???
Soldiers ??? ??? 1,031


Military Stats
Strike Action: ???
Defensive Action 17,166
Spy Rating ???
Sentry Rating 102,400
Covert Skill: 10
Covert Operatives: ???
Siege Technology: ???
Attack Turns: ???
Unit Production: ???
Treasury
206,127 Gold



Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
??? Spy ??? 15/???



Melifluous

[Melifluous]

Aha I spot a warhammer in stout911's inventory.

We go for it.

quote:
Covert Mission Report
Your Chief of Intelligence dispatches 1 spies to attempt to sabotage 1 of stout911's weapons of type Warhammer.
Your spies successfully enter stout911's armory undetected, and destroy every single Warhammer of the 1 found in stout911's armory. Your spies all return safely to your camp.


[fdevil]

That's all he had...

Melifluous

edit: Just realised that this is the human equiv of a dragon [lol]

[Whomp]

WEEWHO!!! What now Meli? When should we bomb away?

[ProPain]

Any news on this? Is Stout still sabbing anyone?

[Melifluous]

Dunno.

Nothing on me, he aint even tried to recon me for 3-4 days.

He will however wonder where 5 of his platemail and 700,000 of his gold went [mischief]

Melifluous

[ProPain]

lol, maybe it's time to sab orc77 to death now. Just for fun.

[ProPain]

So Mel, how's the grudge war getting along?

[Melifluous]

It would appear that it has fizzled out.

Stout911 is ignoring the fact that I keep stealing money off him and sabotaging his weapons.

I have started buying equipment again.

I own several dragons now :)

Melifluous

[ProPain]

Well I'd classify that as a very succesfull spite war :)

Maybe we now you can send orc77 a message he should make you his commander [lol]

[Shabbaman]

After I prevented 8 of his sabotage attempts I haven't heard back from him. I'm still improving my sentry rating so if someone tries to sabotage 1 BPM, 17 dragons and 48 wargs again I'll have a warning at least.

Obviously I don't own that amount of weaponry anyway, so it would be impossible ;)

[Whomp]

I wouldn't mind throwing a little something at stout911.
What do you think my ratings need to be for success on both ends(Spy and sentry)? I will update my current stats in the stat thread.

[ProPain]

After a failed spyiung attempt Stout911 tried to recon me today. He got caught 1 time, prolly he tried a few more times. Nothing is sabbed however and no sabbing attempts have been idled.

[Shabbaman]

Orc77 reconned me 5 times 4 days ago. That is, my sentries saw him do a recon mission 5 times. I can't say if he did any damage, though I doubt it.

[ProPain]

stout911 has 1.5M cash atm. Seems a nice moment to whack him. I don't have the attack turn unfortunately.

[Melifluous]

Got him.

quote:
57 seconds ago stout911 1,307,908 Gold stolen


Thanks for the heads up PP.

Melifluous

[Whomp]

Brilliant Meli! How easy would it be to sab him? I'm at covert 8.

[Melifluous]

Well I could sab him, but a quick recon shows me this...


Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
??? ??? 107 ???/15
Chainmail ??? ??? ???/???
??? ??? 200 15/???
??? Attack 100 40/40


Nowt worth the effort [:P]

Melifluous

[Melifluous]

Now this is getting really really funny now...

Just received this from Stout911...

quote:
Right i'm fed up of you attacking me... I've come to offer peace with you, I have informed my friends of you and they are poised for sabotage... Don't say I didn't warn you when they destroy everything you have.


What do we think? Sounds like a bluff if you ask me.

Will ignore his reply and keep attacking him.

Melifluous

[Melifluous]

In fact no I wont ignore his post.

Don't piss off a guy who get's shit on at work when servers and just about everything else goes tit-shaped and he ends up dealing with some very SERIOUS issues and his boss plus the 3 other people who know how to fix these things are on holiday [mad]

I replied in my best immitation of CivGeneral on a good day crossed with Wildfire444 and Kevinicus [:P]

quote:
lol lol lol


U F U C K I N G Stoopid N00b. I am never gonna stop attacking you, never.

I dont care if you arrange for the rest of the people playing this game to attack me I will keep attacking you day after day after day,

You don't get it do you?

You insulted the wrong person and I'm gonna keep hounding you for the rest of the Age and the next one and the one after that.

I talked to a lot of people in this game and NONE of them were as rude or as stupid as you were.

You asked for it? What's wrong you not good enough to fight your own battles?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Melifluous


Tosser. Was a bad day to add fuel to my fire.

Melifluous

[ERIKK]

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ERIKK/2004128204211_eek.jpg

[Shabbaman]

I missed the "!!!!1!!!1!!11!!!!eleven!!!" in that post.

[Whomp]

Yeah Meli!!
I want some of that!!! What can I do?

[ProPain]

So how is this getting along. Seems we're all high level enough now to sab him senseless

[DrAlimentado]

when he has gold then robbing stout911 would probably be the best way to hurt him. Else he has quite a few men right now (he might train them down periodically) so he could be hurt by mass attacks too. Sabbing him wont do anything unless he buys some weapons though:



Name: stout911
Commander: None
Race: Dwarves
Rank: 52,657
Army Size: 2,056
Treasury: 915,711
Fortifications: Boiling Oil
Buddy List Status: enemy Enemy



Army Size:
Unit Type Attack Specialist Defense Specialist Untrained
Mercenaries ??? ??? 0
Soldiers ??? 1,000 56

Military Stats
Strike Action: 17,411
Defensive Action 19,394
Spy Rating 6,348,800
Sentry Rating 5,746,688
Covert Skill: ???
Covert Operatives: ???
Siege Technology: War Elephants
Attack Turns: 104
Unit Production: 160

Treasury
915,711 Gold

Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
??? Sentry 358 ???/15
??? Spy 400 15/???



Orc77 has a low DA and low sentry (bad strategy...)


Name: orc77
Commander: stout911
Race: Orcs
Rank: 71,021
Army Size: 1,080
Treasury: 312,606
Fortifications: Portcullis
Buddy List Status: enemy Enemy

Army Size:
Unit Type Attack Specialist Defense Specialist Untrained
Mercenaries ??? 0 0
Soldiers 100 100 880

Military Stats
Strike Action: 90,499
Defensive Action 10,050
Spy Rating 708,608
Sentry Rating 23,296
Covert Skill: 8
Covert Operatives: 737
Siege Technology: Catapults
Attack Turns: 440
Unit Production: 80

Treasury
312,606 Gold

Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
??? ??? 2 ???/???
Rope ??? 2 ???/2
Dragon ??? ??? 2,560/???
Guard Dog Sentry 2 15/???
Big Candle Sentry 1 2/2
Cloak ??? ??? ???/???
Dirk Spy ??? 4/???
??? ??? 144 15/???



So what is the actual state of play in this little grudge-feud anyway?

Did he reply in any way to the last PM, has anyone been attacking/been attacked by them recently?

If its died out then its up to you guys what we do now. Most of us can sab orc77 or attack stout911 with ease, but most of the Marauders would be open to sab retaliation from stout911. That account only exists to sab people, just something to bear in mind.

Otoh some of you got hit pretty bad by them... if you still feel like you need revenge then I'm sure we can oblidge [fdevil]

[Shabbaman]

Well, not if he apologizes ;)

[Melifluous]

I have been contacted by someone who claims to be a 'friend' of stout911.

His name was qt21 and this is what he said.

quote:
You seem like a decent person, so listen to this.

your team is quite vulnurable.
You don't have anyone with a good ranking
You don't focus. no one has a decent spy rating
you don't protect yourself with enough sentry rating
& you don't make a lot of money cause you don't have the max. unit production.

Let me tell you how we work.
We're a close group of friends that all have acces to our Jerry account.
he's got + 100 mio spy level.
that way we can focus on sentry & avoid getting sabed.
It also makes us verry strong and able to squisch teams like yours if we want. (don't think we won't if we have to)
we use a clicker sys, and our main accounts, have a 640 unit production quite a while now, so we make lots of money without attacking anyone.
when we attack we make lots of money because weve got access to such a great spy.

anyway you might consider joining us. I garantee protection in case you need it. (You will need it once you start atacking top players)

about stout 911, I suggest you focus on more interesting parts of the game.
I'll tell him to lay off.

Greetz,
QT


Now I wasn't sure what to do about this. So I've just left it alone.

If it's true (and there is a reasonable chance it isn't) then not more can be gained from attacking these guys.

Maybe DrA would like to give jerrymcguire the once over?

Melifluous

[anarres]

Top 5000 isn't high ranked? I thought all these guys were waaaay low in the rankings?

[Shabbaman]

What's a jerry account? And why wouldn't we just join the phoenix rising command chain or something? We all use that recruiter anyway, don't we?

[DrAlimentado]

the 'jerry' account is someone at the top of the chain qt21 is a member of.

Here's the jerrymcguire account (I was lucky to get in after only one failed attempt);


Under the cover of night, your 1 spies sneak into jerrymcguire's camp.

Your spies move stealthily through jerrymcguire's camp undetected. They are able to gather many documents recording the status of weapons, army size and preparedness, and fortifications. Unfortunately, in order to avoid detection, they are not able to provide complete information. Your Chief of Intelligence provides you with the information gathered:

Army Size:
Unit Type Attack Specialist Defense Specialist Untrained
Mercenaries ??? ??? 0
Soldiers ??? 1 ???

Military Stats
Strike Action: 0
Defensive Action 175,000
Spy Rating 115,976,908
Sentry Rating 40,374,231
Covert Skill: 10
Covert Operatives: 19,797
Siege Technology: ???
Attack Turns: ???
Unit Production: ???


Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
Invisibility Shield Defend 102 10,000/10,000
??? ??? 579 ???/???
Grappling Hook ??? ??? 15/15
??? ??? ??? 15/15


Ranks are deceptive, although stout911 and orc77 arent much to be worried about these guys probably are! Jerry is a nasty shared spy account (illegal btw...) and is waay powerful. I was lucky to get in on my 2nd attempt, he's probably checked me out without me knowing it.

His officers all have armies with just 1 man, almost certainly means they have just trained down all their TFF 'overnight' so they are not a target and they drop in the ranks as their weapons are unmanned. Hard to say how good they are without a bunch of reconning, but they are more than us I think, and most are probably better.

Re: joining them, like Shabba says we already use the best recruiter there is. And there are more attractive alliances if we were so minded, but most clans actively recruit so its not strange to get the offer to join.

they are no further ahead than most of us would be had we started the age running btw ;) and they cheat.

[Shabbaman]

Isn't there some KoC gestapo then?