View Full Version : ERIKK vs ProPain *spoiler*
game stats:
level : emperor
land mass : Pangea, 60% water, 5 billion, temperate, normal.
barbs : raging hordes
We decided to play emperor but to compensate barbs are set to raging hordes[evil][guns]
My start:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003423105754_ek_start.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200342311342_ek_3950bc_settle.jpg
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I move the worker and decide NOT to move towards the river because I would lose the cow for 10 turns (and lose lots of shielded grass as it turned out) also it looks like tundra behind that mountain/hill.I wanna expand anyway so that 6+ won't be an issue soon
Start building 3*JW and researching pottery. scout with JW. Meet the iroqouis in 3350BC
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/20034231160_ek_3350bc_iroq.jpg
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I get pottery + 10 gold from Hiawatha for Warrior code. Hia still has Bronze working. I want pottery now because I'mgonna pop a hut next turn and I want to be sure not to get BW (switch my research to BW)
If Hia leaves that settler without escort and within reach I will ave free workers next turn :)
WildFire
23-04-2003, 13:59
He wont be that stupid.
Oh wait... ;)
Decided to leave the hut after all, to close to my capital and raging barbs are too big a risk.
Hiawatha moved his lone settler but left this:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200357145246_ek3300_freeworkers.jpg
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I take the workers and we're at war now. Think awhile about attacking Salamanca or not. Decide against it, too risky. Move a 2nd JW towards Salamance and move the 1st one from the hill. That settler is still in there and maybe it will show up when I move out. COuld be 2 more slaves or maybe even a free city when I can extort it.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/20035714533_ek_3200bc_irowar.jpg
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I meet the Scandinavians. They won't trade anything. Far away enough though not to know the Iroquois, if I can find the Iroquois scout somewhere I may be able to keep em seperated for a while and play middle man.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200357145319_ek_3200bc_scan.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200358102939_ek_3100bc_world.jpg
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Gotta love those jags in the early game. A game as the aztecs is like no other in Civ. I chose Aztecs in one pbem game then found I was alone on a small island. :(
Yeah, I'm aiming for granary, settler, JW, JW.
Iroquois settler showed up, escorted by a single warrior. Attacked it with 2nd JW, took the gamble since no1 was only 2 squares away and there's always the chance mr JW will retreat. Got warrior with one health loss. That makes for 4 slaves alrdy [Party]
forgot: I entered my GA, pretty much a waste with only one city but I only realised that after the attack. I'll cope, at least I don't have to mine that bonus grass now!
ALso the French show up they've 3 techs I dont. I trade joan wc+14 gold for bw
Here's a picture from my world in 3100BC. I made peace with the iro, met the russians near the scandinavians. Made a pretty good tech deal between french and russia/scandi. (gotin my log somewhere willpost details later)
Latest news. French move in a warrior/settler combo. It's (almost) in reach of my JW's [party]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003516182230_ek_3100bc_world.jpg
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Hey PP, not using your graphics mod? [lol]
No, but wait untill my porn resources mod sees the light. Imagine a hard-on peeping put of the FOW when there's a cow ....
Lets update this thread since the game is moving slowly but surely.
I put turn 41 in the mail 5 mins ago, the end of my GA :(
The humans meet
In the year 2710BC I meet ERIKK. We're about tech par I'm 1 tech ahead (mysticism)
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003618101743_EK2710bc_erikk.jpg
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The turns between the last post and this one have seen some wars. I've taken on the french, raised a city and got some workers for peace. A few turns later the vikings founded an undefended city which I took because it was founded to close to my territory. Didnt gey anything good for peace because the Vikings owned nothing except for cities they wouldnt hand over. When archers aproached to close I had to make peace.
Made a tech deal (turn 38) where I got the wheel and Iron working. Got IW for alphabet and some gold (70 iirc) traded it around and ended up with The wheel and 90 gold back, leaving a 20 gold profit. At this point Erik didnt have the wheel nor IW so I'm 3 techs away from him. Now he has IW, but not the wheel. I'm 20 turns or so away from poly.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003618103054_EK2150bc_empire.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003618103111_EK2150bc_minimap.jpg
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Looking at the map, I'm not sure what to do, I cant produce settlers very fast so maybe it's a better option to produce a sizeable army quickly and take out the Iroquois and the french. After my next settler (due in 2 turns) I'll make up my mind.
I think Erik has 3 cities too but founded his 3rd one before me. This is a guess based on score and f8. He still has a GA to get ( I assume) Priority is discovering his whereabouts so I can make a better judgement of the world situation.
Shabbaman
18-06-2003, 10:37
What porn resources mod?
When I have some spare time I might even develop one! Wonder if it will be allowed for GOTM even when I keep my graphs underneath the FOG.....
Porn resources mod?
Now I am curious
And an update again.
When I met Erik I was 1 tech ahead, and I was able to extend that advantage by trading the wheel and iron working with the ai. But Erik quickly he managed to get tech par and even gain writing on me. [aargh]. My guess is he got writing before the AI. I got writing for the wheel and/or IW iirc and decided to get an embassy with Erik. That way I would at least know his whereabouts.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003730114620_EK2070bc_carthage.jpg
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Now what I expected. just two warriors and building a settler. No city improvements....His settler is gonna finish one turn before his city will hit 3, wasting a production turn. He mined his cow.[???]
Border show he expanded to the south. DOnt have a minimap picture from this turn, but it turns out he isnt that far away, sending JW's and harass his settler to be seems an option.....
I discover Korea a bit south of Carthage. I decide to build an embassy in Seoul and see how the Koreans are doing.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003730115230_EK1870bc_seoul.jpg
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Nothing special, no iron and horses but they can be beneath the fow.
The world in 1790 BC
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003730115554_EK1790bc_minimap.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003730115617_EK1790bc_empire.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003730115639_EK1790bc_f11.jpg
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I really dont understand why I'm 1st in so many areas. Only explanation seems all the workers I got. Traded writing for one with Joan in my last turn. I'm going for fast improving :) First priority will be revealing Erik's entire empire, I wanna know what he's up to because, I cant explain why his capital is so undeveloped while his score is still behind. Was he building settlers he should have overtaken me long ago. It almost seems like he had a little war with one of his neighbours. Must be koreans or egyptians then since the rest is to far away. I still dont know where Cleopatra is so that's 2nd priority. Maybe that will shed some light on Erik's early years.
Game pace is a little better now, I plan to free up some time during the evenings so we can play a bit more.
Turn 51 Developments
Erik thought it necessary to make a post in the open thread regarding my slave workers and inviting me over to take on his mercs with my JW's. I doubt he would have done that had he knew my first JW was only 2 squares away :D I ended my turn next to his worker and made a nice screenie to scare him a bit.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200373111637_EK1725bc_jw_worker.jpg
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Of course I'm not going to war with just one JW but I'd like to do some scouting of ERIKK's empire. I have alrady cast a glance at his capital, mr. JW spots Leptis Magna:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200373111834_EK1700bc_leptis.jpg
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Size 2, regular num. merc. for defence. Would that mean he has no barracks in Leptis Magna either?? Maybe I'll investigate LM in a few turns. More interesting are the borders I can see now, I highlighted them and they indicate a 3rd city can only be SW of Carthage and if there's a 4th one it should be that way too.
I wondered for while why he hadn't build num mercs in Carthage and thought he might refrain from building them before he'd become a monarchy/republic to avoid having a useless GA (Like I had). He has built one in LM so this reasoning turns out to be faulty. Did give me an idea however: I can sacrifice a JW on his Merc and trigger his GA in despotism [evil] That way we'll both have had a useless GA....
Probably he didnt build them because they're expensive.
Slave Workers
ERIKK has checked the f3 screen, seen I have 6 slave workers and now suspects 'Killer tactics'. While his suspicion is entirely correct I've discovered something I didnt knew before. The f3 screen show only captured workers (just like the caption says). The ones you buy aren't shown here (I got 8 instead of 6). Of course this sounds logical, but I had never noticed it.
This also means you can deduct some info about wars form this screen before embassies. You dont know if it's a current war but you do know there's a reasonable chance there was a war between the 2 civs. Only exception being a worker that your opponent captured in a previous war against another civ which you capture from him.
Expect more updates daily!
Umm, shouldn't you attack Leptis Magna?
A loss would trigger his GA, a win could see you destroy the city!
Either way, I can't see why you wouldn't attack him...
I wanna see the surrounding lands first. That Merc wont run away (and if it does, my JW runs faster!) Also I'm very interested in the defense of Carthage, If that's still just 1 warrior, I might just take my chances there... I'd love to have another cow city, especially a former capital :)
If you get Carth, please irrigate the cow !
;)
@sky: I will, I promise you that.
After my first JW moves a bit, Erikk decides to found Hippo just in the movement line of my approaching JW's. His idea of defense: 1 warrior. I think that's kinda tricky even while he only saw 1 jw moving about.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200373123211_EK1675bc_hippo.jpg
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Off course the sight of 3 JW's worries Erik. He offers me 50 gold for a 20 turn peace. we haggle a bit he finally offers 50 gold, 2gpt and literacy for an 11 turn deal. I refuse this too. It's too much advantage for him, I can now raze a city and force him into a useless GA. I might even pillage some tiles and ruin his GA even more.
I attack Hippo. 1 jw lost, 2 hurt. bit much damage for just one warrior, but it's all in the game.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003731232523_EK1650bc_hippogone.jpg
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I later kill the warrior near the mountain with elite JW, it loses just one health. My wounded 1/3 JW impales itself on NuMe near Leptis even taking out 1 HP from the merc before it dies. Welcome in the useless GA erik.
LOL [rotfl]
Wow, ERIKK will sure be angry at that!
WildFire
01-08-2003, 06:42
This is quite funny.
turn 57
I take look at f11 to see the impact of Erikk's golden age
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003819182_EK1575bc_f11.jpg
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It pretty much looks like nothing has changed. So either his GA isn't helping him or maybe he did have it earlier after all. War against egypt maybe?? Next turn I'll check the captured workers, could tell me a bit more.
The french gor Horseback Riding, no one else has it and they refuse to sell. The french are on my hitlist and I was planning to take their closest city in two turns when I have 5 JW's ready, now I'm in doubt. I establish an embassy in Paris to see what Joan is up to.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/20038192332_EK1575bc_paris.jpg
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Only 1 spear, building settler (will that move unprotected?) not connected the horses yet. I've got Polytheism due in 6 turns, I can wait for that, trade poly for HR and attack. or just attack right away. I'll wait to next turn when I can take a better look at the 2nd city.
Waited for Polytheism, planned to attack France afer trading Poly. 3 turns before poly some AI's have mathmatics, 1 turn later some have literature too. Also MM shows up
I deal poly for lit & mapmaking or maths with korea. I check Erik. He doenst have poly or maths but he does have literature. I trade literature around but try to keep poly to myself to keep it expensive. I get the lit, maths, MM and WM and cash out of poly. NOt bad. Erik has 4 cities, one more in the direction of the Egyptians. No iron for him in sight, no horses hooked up yet.
After the trading I attack France, Lyons (iirc) falls with the first JW. Next turn I move 6 JW's to Paris, it falls the next turn. Erik MSN's that I'm 'worse than Killer' :)
Meanwhile the was against Erik isnt leading anywhere much. Basically I'm annoying him and making expanding harder, but I've got not enough JW's to do serious damage. I plan to send 5 over form the Paris attack. That way I'll have 9 and maybe I can pillage a bit. It doenst matter if I lose some, they're cheap anyway.
Meanwhile I can build settlers in my first 2 cities, they have grnaries and I switch between military and settlers. I've hooked up horses and plan to make horsemen and settlers. So I can expand with settlers and annoy Erik with horsemen. If I can prevent him from expanding quickly then things will keep looking good.
I'll take some screenies tonight and post em tomorrow.
I hope you plan to build chariots to upgrade, rather than horsemen. ;)
Wish I could but I have Horseback Riding. Got that in the polytheism trade round.
I'm still in doubt if I should upgrade those JW's to swords soon. I would love the extra 'firepower' but hate losing the extra movement. But a 10 swords SoD might have it's advantage too.
Against ERIKK you may have to upgrade to cause city damage, although you will always want a few for pillaging / picking off weak units, etc.
The promised screenies, 1350BC
the minimap
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003841832_EK1350bc_minimap.jpg
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The warzone
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/20038418451_EK1350bc_carths.jpg
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the glorious Aztec Empire
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003841846_EK1350bc_aztecs.jpg
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A settler is on its way to settle on the southern French ruin. I'm planning on roading the French 'peage' all the way too Erik.
The Aztec Empire strikes again
After some healing and regrouping I decide it;s time for some action again. I calculated that on average I would need 6 JW's to take out one NuMe, I have only 11 so attacking a city isnt an option. Pillaging is however, especially because JW's are fast. I know Erik has blocked the way to his core improvements with some NuMe so I decide on a diversion. I position all troops next to Leptis Magna.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ERIKK/200389214432_jags.jpg
I'm hoping/expecting him to retreat his NuMe in LM. I plan on bypassing LM and just pillage the improvements. I'm building horsemen and swords for the real damage and they'll arrive in 10 turns or so.
After I move my troops to the other side of LM, blocking the way out for Erik, I receive his turn. He attacked twice at least. One JW lost one helath and promoted to elite, another has retreated with one health left. Also his best unit left is reg NuMe instead of the vet one that was there before. I reckon he lost his warrior against my JW that promoted and was winning a battler with his vet NuMe against my JW that retreated. That attacking NuMe has suffered damage too, otherwise it would still be top of the stack. Time to pillage
Makeover by ProPains Pillaging Party:
Before
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200381112816_EK1100bc_b4pillage.jpg
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after
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003811121059_EK1100bc_pillage.jpg
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note that there's 2 turns between this pics
I plan to pillage all improvements near carthage too and then move on the new founded cities, maybe I get lucky and find a undefended/badly defended one.
Fantastic stuff! You show us how powerful the the Aztec civ really is!
Apparently Erik doenst like my tactics.
Here's a little MSN for you to enjoy:
ERIKK zegt:
sky you playing PP?
SKYFISH zegt:
course I am Jag rushing him as well
ERIKK zegt:
would you do me a favor?
ProPain zegt:
[cool]
ERIKK zegt:
rip him apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was real nasty of the map maker to put you so close to him...
Real funny because I have a similar "surprise" for Erikk in our game in the next turn...totally different as we just entered Industrail Ages but it still aint gonna be a good week for him I think [fdevil] [evil]
[lol]
Notice the PP change of sigs... [|)]
Erik resigned on wednesday. Here are some screenies I took in the pillaging session just before the end of the game.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003815142627_EK1075bc_warzone.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003815142714_EK1075bc_warzoneafter.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003815142744_EK1050bc_warzoneb4.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003815142819_EK1050bc_warzone.jpg
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These screenshot are taken in two turns, starting turn and ending turn except for the 3rd, I took that after some battles were done alrdy iirc. The yellow circle indicates a NuMe in the fog.
...it is a bad week indeed... At least I had some luck in Yndy's game!
Wow ! [eek] is that your new sig Erikk ?????
Yeah, you are only 5th, you will have to work for a higher ranking! ;)
Only 4th on your ranking after all that pillaging.... I'm disappointed ;)
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Beam/2005414222127_az_portal_logo.gif
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Melifluous
15-04-2005, 00:52
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