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English_brit
01-01-2005, 13:02
Just pulled this player. Not bad as I train playmaking but he's not better than my trainees. He's not worth too much on the market atm so I guess I'll train him in a spare wing slot.
Stuart Sutton
TSI = 470 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak
quote:Adriaan Zielhuis (50661576)
19 years, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities.
Speciality: Technical
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 520
Wage: 741 €/week
Owner: PP SV
Warnings: 0
Stamina: poor Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: poor
Winger: excellent Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
A nice pull, but the only thing I don't need in the outfield: a winger.
He's for sale. Hopefully he'll sell for 100K and at least my YS investments are covered.
English_brit
02-01-2005, 13:03
Nice pull. :)
Harm van de Weijer
TSI = 1 390 , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: solid Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
finally somebody who's going to make some money for me :)
English_brit
02-01-2005, 22:48
Cool. lol
Shabbaman
02-01-2005, 23:21
Ian Tillemans (50639983)
18 jaar, passable in vorm, healthy
Een pleasant guy persoon die fiery en honest is.
Hij heeft disastrous ervaring en is een wretched leider.
Speciality: Technical
Nationaliteit: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 380
Wage: 574 €/week
Owner: Shabba FC
Warnings: 0
Stamina: passable Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor
A little bit less crap than usual. Maybe I can even sell this one, unlike the ones from the previous four weeks...
English_brit
02-01-2005, 23:42
lol.
I feel my luck will be in for the start of next season when I pull an excellent 17 yr old playmaker.
YES YES YES! The above shown youthpull Harm de Weijer was worth 2000 Meijer!
Which means I sold him today for 200K! [Me Happy]
English_brit
05-01-2005, 22:26
Nice money. :)
Shabbaman
05-01-2005, 23:03
Mine got sold for 1000. No, not 1000k, just 1k.
Sound about right for someone who will be 19 very soon and is only good in one area.
Shabbaman
06-01-2005, 11:17
Oh, don't get me wrong: I'm glad that I sold a player out of my excellent youth academy. The crap I get usually is a lot worse.
Kingreno
06-01-2005, 11:26
Perhaps you should rebuff the Youthpulls instead of the Rebels Shabba![lol]
I surely hope my squad will remain solid for a while then, I had fairly good pulls lately.
Since youth pulls are random there are likely to be good and bad runs. Hopefully I'll get a good player at the start of next season that can be sold for a silly amount of cash.
Indeed Dell, as contrary to PP, I most certainly hope my YS will turn excellent asap, with the average TSI of the past four weeks having been a measly 60 on average, including(!) the pull of a keeper, with a staggering tsi 20 (iirc, might have been a bit more, but he had wretched goaltending, so he might as well had tsi 20 for real too).
Of course, pulling some excellent 17-year-olds at the start of next season would make some amends yes...
Shabbaman
06-01-2005, 21:18
Since my youth academy turned solid somewhere near the beginning of august, I received a measely 94k from the transfers of players. I've made a lot more money for the time my y.a. was solid, while iirc it has been excellent for a longer period than solid. I've certainly been rebuffing a lot of youth pulls these months.
"Player with ID 50308441 has last been seen being rebuffed as a rebel."
The youth scheme seems to be a little too random when compared to other aspects like training where you can reasonably expect levels to be gained after a specific number of weeks. We both seem to have had good pulls whilst our youth team was solid but that may be because its only solid over a small time frame and that happened to be when we got lucky with youth pulls.
There's actually a theory that you get bigger chances at solid than at excellent and some people turn down their investement for a week when they reach excellent so that they have the school at solid.
Frankly, I don't beleive it and I have had the pull to make my school worth it's investment - EUR 1.7 million sale of a 17 years old player in week 1 (or 2).
Shabbaman
07-01-2005, 10:35
It's just a lottery. It's fun, and it adds something to the game. I don't expect to win the lottery, but if I don't get some decent pulls that net me a 100k each it's not that fun anymore.
I've read some research (on hottrick.org or something like that) on average profits with youth academies, and in the long run you're supposed to make a small profit (unlike with real lotteries). I'm counting on that.
Shabbaman
09-01-2005, 13:58
quote: Ricky Anema (51124033)
18 jaar, passable in vorm, healthy
Een nasty fellow persoon die calm en dishonest is.
Hij heeft disastrous ervaring en is een solid leider.
Speciality: Head
Nationaliteit: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 150
Wage: 739 €/week
Owner: Shabba FC
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: poor
That's not bad. Pity he is 18, and a pity that I already have 6 trainees. I'll be selling one of them early next season though, so I maybe I should keep him. And based on his TSI, he's very, very close to excellent scoring...
Unfortunately, he's a solid leader, which makes him my team leader. I don't really know what to do. I really like my team spirit...
EDIT:
One of my 18 y.o. trainees reached excellent scoring this week. His TSI is 1170, with roughly comparable stats. I could sell him, and just get another solid player next season and pray for the best.
Makes sense to train him if he is close to popping. You would get a lot more cash if you sold him at excellent which you won't get if you sell him now.
Melifluous
15-01-2005, 00:24
quote:Frederick Home (52631868)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 330
Wage: 442 £/week
Owner: Meli's Manglers
Warnings: 0
Stamina: disastrous Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: wretched
Winger: solid Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Waddya reckon?
Me happy.
Melifluous.
From what I understand of the transfer market you wouldn't get much cash for him because of the lack of any secondary skills and no stamina. He is 17 but that is basically 18 now that we are so close to the end of the season.
I got an inadequate 21 year old goalkeeper which will do as backup.
Shabbaman
15-01-2005, 08:52
Looks awful. His defending skill is almost okay, so someone might go for it. I think you could be happy if you can even sell him.
Melifluous
15-01-2005, 12:08
I dont see what's so bad with him???
I was looking for wingers and I'm training PM so his playmaking will get better.
For Offensive wingers secondary is PM so Solid winger with training here is only gonna make him better. And 17 going on 18 is the best I could ask for in a youth pull.
So nurgh.
Melifluous
The point is that to pop between poor and weak takes as long as popping between excellent and formidable so if you have a free slot then it may be worthwhile to train him a bit but then when you try to sell him he won't be 17 anymore. He would need to pop two levels to inadequate before people are willing to pay a reasonable amount of money which as a playmaker trainer on the wing might take around a season and he still wouldn't sell for a huge amount. Ideally you should have passable trainees with at least inadequate secondaries and then train the primary skill.
Shabbaman
15-01-2005, 13:15
Not quite true: it takes longer to train a player from poor to weak than from excellent to formidable.
:confused
Why would it take longer for the poor to weak pop than the excellent to formidable pop? Both are one level.
Shabbaman
15-01-2005, 14:15
Hm, sorry, I was confused with the coaching level.
Shabbaman
21-01-2005, 10:02
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
he's very, very close to excellent scoring...
He popped to excellent this week, after two weeks of training. I'll put him on the list tonight. Still a pity, I definately could have used this guy.
How can you see if players are about to pop a level? AFAIK there is only a keepers tool with which you can check keeper's levels, but I don't how to accomplish this for outfielders.
By building up information about when players pop with similar secondaries and what their TSI was at the time and then comparing that to other players.
Shabbaman
21-01-2005, 13:49
Like I said I had a player with very similar stats and TSI which already was excellent. If a player's TSI looks very high regarding his stats, you can make assumptions on the level of his stats. Of course, he could've been close to popping in playmaking, passing and defending instead of scoring.
Melifluous
21-01-2005, 23:06
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 560
Wage: 394 £/week
Owner: Meli's Manglers
Warnings: 0
Stamina: poor Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
Any reason not to fire im immediately?
Melifluous
Kingreno
21-01-2005, 23:26
age?
He will sell. set him as a Central Defender and start at 5000 Pounds.
Melifluous
21-01-2005, 23:57
quote:Originally posted by Kingreno
age?
He will sell. set him as a Central Defender and start at 5000 Pounds.
Apologies.
He's 19. [cry]
You think he'd sell?
IMHO passing aint worth shite apart from forwards and maybe IM's but defender with good passing? [confused]
Melifluous
Melifluous
Passing is good for defenders when you want to play counter attacking. Someone might pay a lot for him just for the solid.
Kingreno
22-01-2005, 00:04
As an 5-3-2 Counter attack expert (ok, I played that a lot...:D) this is the stuff to look for when on a tight budget and beginning to train defence. With CA the formula aplies: total defenders' defense skill + 2 * defenders' passingskill = Quality CA.No cash cow at all but he will very likely sell. That is good since in 3 years he'll be 26 and have outstanding defending and excellent passing/stamina and sell for 1.5milion. As the previous club that is nice! In general, it is IMHO always worth to sell for even 1k euro, as You may get cash in the future.
quote:Paolo Gamberini (53255599)
20 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Nationality: USA
Total Skill Index (TSI): 0
Wage: 528 US$/week
Owner: Chemists
Warnings: 0
Stamina: poor Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous
This is a keeper pull number 7 from the solid youth squad of Chemists. TSI = 0 is actually rather unusual as well as wretched goaltending.
Bootstoots
23-01-2005, 04:04
That's odd, I pulled this out of my youth squad today (keeper pull):
quote:Carlos Hernán Álvarez (53208274)
19 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Nationality: USA
Total Skill Index (TSI): 10
Wage: 500 US$/week
Owner: Yellow Boots
Warnings: 0
Stamina: poor Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: poor
How is it that, with all skills disastrous except for stamina and set pieces, my keeper pull had a higher TSI than yours, who had poor and wretched skills along with wretched goaltending?
Yes, it is weird but my guy has salary higher by $28/week! Apparently to compensate for his self-esteem suffering from non-existent TSI. [lol]
Melifluous
30-01-2005, 17:48
First YP of the new season and he sucks bad...
quote:Andrew Barrett (54228963)
19 years, passable form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is calm and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 40
Wage: 333 £/week
Owner: Meli's Manglers
Warnings: 0
Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched
*sigh*
Melifluous
Ethan Mann (54230205)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Speciality: Powerful
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 660
Wage: 390 £/week
Owner: Wartham United
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched
Not amazing but at 17 he is potentially trainable and the two highest skills are compatable.
Kingreno
30-01-2005, 20:21
And from my excellent YS.....[cry]
quote:Bert Schenke
TSI = 60 , 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Unpredictable]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: disastrous Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: inadequate
He was last seen murdered, the club-manager is a suspect.[aargh]
My best pull so far, a possible IM-trainee perhaps considering he is 17, and with stamina and passing at a reasonable level, so he's okay as far as I'm concerned, I've listed him for 1k.
quote:
Egbert Meelker (54251789)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is temperamental and upright.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 580
Wage: 553 €/week
Owner: FC De Snaken
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor
mine was not good. three times inadequate, but 19 years old :(
Pulled a disastrous 17 year old keeper. Better luck next week.
socralynnek
31-01-2005, 13:34
Best youthpull I ever had (YS passable)
A good trainee for me...(training PM)
Henning Hederer (54330199)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
Nationality: Deutschland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 930
Wage: 571 €/week
Owner: Grasshoppers Elm
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: wretched
Very nice everything is pretty high so he will be a nice allrounder although maybe slightly better as an offensive IM. I guess as an IM trainer you usually train stamina in the offseason so after a couple of weeks he should have solid stamina.
@socra: he might be worth more selling now than training him yourself. Your choice of course but this one could net you 1 mil? (or am I too optimistic here?)
I hope he's worth a mil Schip... since that would mean I should be able to fetch at least some 100K for mine as well I think... though I have the feeling that my yp will probably sell for about 1/20th of that to be honest. :)
quote:Originally posted by Schip
@socra: he might be worth more selling now than training him yourself. Your choice of course but this one could net you 1 mil? (or am I too optimistic here?)
Regardless of what he would be worth now, the people buying him would be training him on the basis that they could still make a profit so it makes sense to train the player yourself if you can as in the long term you have a very trainable player that will sell for even more money and he may be halfway towards his first pop.
Bootstoots
31-01-2005, 23:14
quote:Mark Tate (54266522)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Nationality: USA
Total Skill Index (TSI): 110
Wage: 532 US$/week
Owner: Yellow Boots
Warnings: 0
Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate
Not bad. I've listed him at 25k and I'm hoping he sells for more than that. His TSI is rather low however, so that will probably hurt him somewhat.
First time I sold a yp ever! [yeah]
Egbert in the end was worth 15K on the market, nice and a bit more than I anticipated, especially since he did not play in the cup tie.
Melifluous
05-02-2005, 17:39
quote:John Herrity (54901066)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A controversial person who is balanced and upright.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 520
Wage: 393 £/week
Owner: Meli's Manglers
Warnings: 0
Stamina: poor Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Like Boots YP earlier this one aint too bad.
What should I start his bidding at?
Melifluous
English_brit
05-02-2005, 18:52
I'd prob just list him at 0 and see how much he goes up. I doubt you'll get all that much for him although he will sell.
I would probably put a 20k minimum on him many because two groups of trainers might want him.
Melifluous
09-02-2005, 03:51
quote:Originally posted by Dell19
I would probably put a 20k minimum on him many because two groups of trainers might want him.
Which bugs me cos I can only list him as one type or another.
Listed him at £10,000 as a defender (looking back maybe more of the glory money is in forwards, ho hum)
He sold today for £15,500.
Nice little present, he pays for 11 youth pulls :D
Melifluous
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