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Kingreno
21-12-2004, 21:05
Erikk and I got our second game going, he undoubtly wants a payback for his defeat in game one. I plan to deny that payback.

Stats: Map made by Beam! :D

Erikk plays the despicable Egyptians (booooooo)
Kingreno plays the Honorable Zulu (yayyyyyyy)

Level is demigod and it is a pangaea map

The promissing start:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kingreno/2004122120345_start.jpg
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Looks great. I start another scout and send my starting scout north.

after 4 turns:



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Muhahahahaha....
[evil][evil][evil]
Erikk is doomed I say. DOOMED![}:)]

Also, the second scout got me CB on turn 6![goodjob]

Kemal
21-12-2004, 21:17
I'm guessing here, but looking at the map so far I would think there was a third hut popped already as well, could that be correct? And if so, I suppose that was of far less quality..?

Anyways, great going, a third scout in the planning as well I see, I guess there won't be any more settler now though. ;)

akots
21-12-2004, 23:41
I hate Zulu after the game with OPD. Even though it has been apparently ended in my favor. Are you planning horsemen-impi rush as well? Through all the AI and right to the Egyptian heart? To cut it out and sacrifice to please the Gods of War?

Kingreno
23-12-2004, 21:44
@akots: Nice wordings! The zulu were the first civ I played and won a Deity game with! I like impi very much, as it is versatile and great for toying with the AI.

The zulu are doing fine.

The map...is weird! I seem to be on the western edge of a "steering wheel" shape. The AI are all in the middle so Erikk must be in the far east. A naval invasion is probable and desirable as going through the heart is very very difficult.



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The Inca (pink) are very close and also very advanced. The only civs I have yet to meet are Erikk's Egypt and the Mayans. I met Russia, China, Ottomans and Japan. No trade is possible. I can immagine Erikk being as backwards as I am, as he had no chance to bridge the huge distances without a scout.
On the domestic front, things are ok. I am worried a but about having only 2 luxes, but the land is decent. Zimbabwe is a setler fac, the rest will go for...well, the rest!



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I will keep you posted!

Kingreno
31-12-2004, 13:09
Update:

A lot has happened as this game races forward as well. turn 55 now.
What happened?

I met all civs and was, as said, backwards! I had 4 Goody huts giving me a total of one setler, CB and 2 Maps of the region. I guess that is ok, but not exceptional. :)
Techs. I pulled of some great trades as we were first to reach Horsebackriding which everyone lacked. I got all techs available and gained the top tech position, shared with the Ottomans. the available techs were: Alphabet, Mysticism and IW. I then wnet full speed to writing. getting it a turn before erikk who was researching it longer. Muhahaha. No good trades available though so I raced on to Philo and got that first too. Choose CoL and now republic is in 30 turns! I trdaded Philo arround for polytheism, which most AI got at that time. Erikk got Philo a turn later because everyone else had it and the price went down a lot. Erikk misses IW, HBR, CoL, Mys and Poly. He may be attempting to trade Lit soon but he has not got that yet. Trading to parity is not too hard I guess.
the lands:


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Lands look ok and they are. I like the map as well Beam. Many possibilities!:D

The AI. Naturaly the good life of the Zulu led to envy with my pasky neighbour, the inca. Without any reason they send over no less then 6 warriors to invade zululand. We were not prepared at all and we pulled of a "miffy" to counter the attack. I had 2 vet archers and 3 warriors.

The first signs of trouble:


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He invades:




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I lose 2 archers and a warrior, he loses all 6. too bad I had to loose an elite archer attacking a 3hp-warrior![aargh]



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after this I expect some heavier units to enter Zululand soon. I have horses ready though. Erikk thinks that this was has led to my GA. I know I am large Erikk, but not in a GA yet. hehe.

Traditionaly:




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Erikk still has not met 3 AI, but he is looking for them. we'll see!

Kingreno
03-01-2005, 23:45
passing turn 70.

The Incan wars have ended.

They made peace with giving me all their gold, 15 AND a city! Not the worst city I ever had btw.

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It is east of their lands, so I will lose it anyway. but at least it won't be productive for them anymore. ever.
A turn later, my warhappiness got renewed as Ottomans demanded CoL. As I owned a monopoly on that then, I refused, they declared. I allied my old adversary the inca against them and now, all their troops are leaving our border. [mwaha]

Erikk. tsk tsk tsk. Turn 70 and the poor fella still has only met half the world!


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I have embassies with Japan, Inca and Erikk. I cannot believe he has yet to meet 4 AI! tech prices are high for him now, not to mention the next age is not too far away. I will soon become a republic!

The empire, it's technologies and trades.
Maya and ottomans have Monarchy over me. I have parity with Russia. I have CoL over ince, Japan and china. I have CoL and Poly over Erikk. He is doing a Math gamble, but without knowing 4 AI that is not too easy.[mischief]
I at one point traded around CoL to maya and Russia, it got 15 gpt, lit and 100 gold. No further trades are made. Current siuation most certainly means I will not trade republic arround yet.
the f1:


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Great to be able to research at this speed this early in the game.
The standing army of the Zulu despotism:



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No impi yet, as I do not want a GA yet.

Expansion. Two more cities in teh north are all there will be settled. After that, expansion will go with the sword. As can be seen in the pic, libs are demanded everywhere. Next are some Courthouses, as corruption rises high even in important cities. Markets are due in say 20 turns. In between: Impi/horses



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Nothing that special here.

The f11:

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Currently, the Maya are the largest civ, and also in a GA. They are also Erikk neighbours! I therefor considder myself rather happy with second place in major categories.[thumbsup]

More to come!

Beam
04-01-2005, 01:55
quote:Erikk. tsk tsk tsk. Turn 70 and the poor fella still has only met half the world!

tsk, tsk, tsk, you shouldn't refer to Queen Erikk like that. ;)

Nice going btw, your contacts again show the power of expansionist on pangea.

Kingreno
13-01-2005, 22:44
Update! About time!

turn 100!

Queen Erikk did quite well. I think. Hell I haven't got a clue how he is doing but techwise he is advanced compared to me. Techwise...Everyone is advanced when compared to the zulu scientific program.[cry]



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Well well, noble Leader, what can we do? How far are we behind? How BIG is the techhole we find ourselves in???
Actually, we can guess! We are in the Medieval age, as is all the rest. We however have yet to obtain our first tech in this age. The maya and ottomans are building sistines/KT/SunTzu. No-one has engineering yet!
The rest has Feud and Mono except for China, who apparently copied the Zulutactics. Our status: F1



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No single scientists. Nothing. ZULU DON"T RESEARCH!

Ok, now that we have that cleared let us focus on what we are good at.

Our empire:

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All cities on Markets, Courthouses, the FP (one) and Libraries (well...uh...we may need the culture some day:D). The income I get from taxes is mostly used to hurry up this proces. the 2 luxes require that I need 20% lux tax and that does not help.
There are things though, that DO help:



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[dance]
Muhahahahaha

The Inca, though wise:


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LACK IRON! Muahaahahahaha[charge][charge][swordman][charge][charge][swordman]

I am still Average military but compared to Erikk I am strong!

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That brings me to the next point of debate. Erikk has overtaken me in score!!! I do not know what he is building that is making this happen. I lead him in Pop, quite heavily. I lead him in Military, quite heavily. He leads me in land area, probably very very heavily as that is the only possibility! He must have settled the small land North and South of his Core...why? dunno.
To illustrate he has spend his shields on something, here is a cultural graph. Please know that I have not a single temple or other bullshit. This is pure libraries and the Palace. Notice my culture is far greater then his. So no Libs (or temples...), no Military, it must be setlers.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kingreno/2005113213459_100f8.jpg
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Also, the f11

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This looks very positive for the Zulu...
Maya are first in pop, and the king of the hill. Erikk has the chance to conquer some wonders as well.[hmm]

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Last, the MM, while the Zulu prepare for war!

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Kingreno
14-01-2005, 23:56
[aargh][aargh][aargh][aargh][aargh][aargh][aargh]

I had 25 Units for the gates of feckin Cuzco which was defended by 5 LOUSY REGULAR Spears. I had 15 horses (vets) and 10 Impi (vets), in the end my last impi managed to finally defeat the last elite spear...I lost 9 horses and 7 impi. Needless to say the offensive is halted a bit. We do have the great library though...and the oracle. Nice for tourism purposes.


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And that egyptian horse has not paid a spectatorticket!

Beam
15-01-2005, 00:45
Sorry to disturb you with congratulations for the Great Lib at this grave moment. ;)

grs
15-01-2005, 03:03
If you did not take it with the impi....well... I could imagine something evil the horse could have tried.

Kingreno
21-01-2005, 22:43
The Egyptian horses were friendly asked to leave the place, and they, albeit slowly, did.

turn 122. I am progressing very slowly against the annoying Inca. Main reason are the massive losses at Cuzco. I only have 10 offensive units left to attack them with while the core, as planned is building Universities. Only Zimbabwe adds to the war with a knight every 2 turns.
The downside of a slow (but careful) war against the Inca is greatly compensated by the low unit costs and Universities comming online. I am experiencing something very rare for a zulu; I am techleader![eek]

But first things first. I allied the Japanese against the Inca for the reason that I do not want the Inca to ally them against me. They are of minor help. The lands:



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There are some troops ready to take Vilcas in two turns. Ollaytambo is building Leo's and I am waiting for it to be finished (small chance). The southern part with the mountains gave some particularly nasty and slow combat.
For the core, the FP is in Ngome. All cities on Knights will keep building military. The rest will do banks, though those are not useful now at all.:)
Erikk, is leading in Pop! How is a mystery to me as he has not conquered a lot of Mayastan yet, he declared war 2 turns ago:



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Of course, starved Incan cities don't contribute that much to Pop...

the f11, Erikk is very likely alos in a GA.



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Since he has a long GA ahead I must be very cautious. A tech gap is easily achieved with the speed of a GA. The good news is that we profited greatly from the actions undertaken by Erikk! Erikk has allied the Chinese, Russians and Ottomans against the Maya. He must have paid a heavy price for this as Russia and Ottomans were great partners of Mayastan. Before the war, Mayans were the techleaders and all the AI paid them for their techs. By declaring war there was a sudden ammount of "open" gpt thatwas cancelled due to war!
I got banking first and become techleader, no AI has a tech I have not.[smirk]

Russia:


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Ottomans:



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Mayans, with Erikk nearing the gates of their capitol:



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Russia to prevent a backstab. (I hope):



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I AM AMAZED. These lads have tons of cash. Now, only russia seems to have some spare gpt left (30). The rest of the civs, Japan, China and Inca are poor and dumb. Erikk now lacks Astro and Banking.
The new financial situation for Zululand:



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I need lux at 10% but techs are in 4 turns now! Shaka is happy![sunn]

The MM:


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Kingreno
23-01-2005, 01:35
Progressing! Well sort'a

Respawn AI player is on.[aargh]

After conquering the last of the incans I did not spot the anticipated message that the Weak Inca have been destroyed.
A turn later:


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the stack has a setler, a worker, 3 Longbows and 3 spears. I move a lot of knights from the Old Inca lands this way but it is a very long walk...
4 turns later:

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Forces are being redirected but the newly conquered lands remain in flipdanger where they should not have been. On the bright side this may get me a leader.
Speaking of which we finaly got one at the end of the Conquest. We now have one army of Knights.

Some other story.

In thinking what to do next Shaka the Bold has thought of a plan to attack Erikk. WE got the World map some turns ago and the map really nice! Great work Beam:

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Very full now, but there is always the back door! In 2 turns 4 caravels will sail for Erikk's land.

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As can be seen, I have Cav! And the best thing is that at the moment I land there is no way Erikk will have cav yet! I now have a monopoly on MilTrad with everyone getting Metallurgy from me only this turn.
The route is short:



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Erikk has a very very dense build and My cav will like that. I should be able to cityhop some bit.[charge]

There is also a rogue mission of 3 elites:

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But they seem a bit stuck at the moment...

On the Domestic front the world is still paying for the just cause:



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More soon!

Beam
23-01-2005, 02:23
quote:WE got the World map some turns ago and the map really nice! Great work Beam

[blush]

It took a while to get this idea and many maps generated in the editor to get the central part of the map. Both your subcontinent and erikk's are based on an island in that map. Everything is modified and the "steering wheel" entered by hand.

Pretty evil plans btw. ;)

Kingreno
23-01-2005, 18:43
EDIT: ERIKK SURRENDERED!

I am basicly not a very friendly guy in PBEM's, though some may argue that goes for IRL too.[hmm][rolleyes]

First Phase completed:



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I declared war before entering his territory. I told erikk of this declaration by email. He will be surprised.

ERIKK
23-01-2005, 19:06
Nice spoiler. Like I said in my spoiler + email I needed a bit more time but OTOH if you did not
lost 16 units on Cuzco things would have been different too.