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Hi fellow diplomats!
I am back and doing a midnight time killing (jetleg) ;)
Would everybody who wants to join the third CDZ diplomacy game
please sign up here!
Already known to join (by me, today) are:
1) ERIKK
2) anarres
3) stapel
4) kryszcztov
not sure, please reconfirm (I send a PM):
5) barbu1977
6) grs
7) Col
This would mean a full game of course. grs I hope you turn out to be
a dedicated player. The others have proven themselfs in the other
two games.
We also need a dedicated moves collector, anybody interested?
Socrates
20-10-2004, 11:08
Yeah, ERIKK is alive !! [cool] Not for long !... [groucho]
I insist on being dedicated to the game. Quitting a Diplo game is worst than quitting a Civ PBEM from my point of view.
Other players I could think of : Loulong (dunno if interested to start again), Beam (should have enough time now), maybe others I forgot ?
I apply for being game master. I know the job pretty well, and would be pleased to serve you good maps and good reports each turn. :) We need to find an orders collector.
We should PM our list of preferred nations to the orders collector once he'll be known. Anything else ? I agree with the previous schedule (1 turn per week) and am ready to go. [goodjob]
Yup - include me. I had a hard drive meltdown and some cookie problems but sorted and back again now.
barbu1977
20-10-2004, 13:42
I'm in too.
Looks like a gang of preaty dedicated player. Maybee I'll be able to see the moves before going to bed on friday nights.
Signing in. You can't judge my dedication so I just say: trust me :) Could you please post the game scedule (when which phases take part till when) to this tread and any special rules - besides the boardgame rules, you may have? I read good parts of the other threads, but it would be good to see it collected here again.
Socrates
20-10-2004, 19:14
It seems we are all there ! First appliants get their tickets, so we're set. We still need an order receiver, since ERIKK and I are taking part in this game, unlike before. To anyone : this isn't a great job, but it requires dedication ; you have to post all the received orders in this thread, once the deadline is crossed. Just copy-paste is fine (is preferred) ; it happens 2 to 3 times a week (around the week-end).
grs, welcome on board !! :) I hope you're dedicated indeed, since you can see that games here end when they're completed. We'll stop playing during the usual Christmas holidays, but apart from that, every week should see a turn being played, unless someone has a major problem. You can find the home rules in the "Diplomacy - what you need to remember" topic, which can be found in this sub-forum. Apart from what you'll find there, just ask !
It could be nice to open the game this week-end, so we need an order receiver by then, to which to send a PM with our lists of preferred nations.
Anything I forgot ? I myself won't take part in another game at the same time, but anyone is free to suggest another game here, as long as it is well handed in the sub-forum.
ok, that was quickly resolved! ;)
- After we have the collector I suggest we send our country preferences to the collector.
- For the first turn we should take some time for diplomacy.
- Krys will be the GM (the results posting, central spokesman etc).
Socrates
21-10-2004, 13:18
Thanks ERIKK. ;) If we quickly find a nice order receiver, we can start the game during or after this weekend. So we could have next week to make ingame contacts and start diplomacy, with the 1st turn being solved in 8 days. I'd be very pleased to post the results on Friday evening mostly, because it was so annoying to wait for people all over the week-end. I hope everyone understands that the deadline isn't the point at which to send orders, but the end of that moment. The earlier you send orders, the better. I will myself try to do diplo and send orders the earliest in the week I can do.
Do we have a collector to send our country prefereneces to yet?
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
you have to post all the received orders in this thread, once the deadline is crossed. Just copy-paste is fine (is preferred) ;
It's not only preferred, it's necissary ;) .
But, to answer Col's question:
I don't think we have a volunteer yet.
Socrates
24-10-2004, 21:52
[band] We have a new order receiver !! [band]
His name is... [suspense]
Make your entrance, man !!! [goodjob]
OK, I will try to post the orders. I'm not sure exactly what this game is about so can be "neutral" guy. And hope I can keep the schedule.
Socrates
24-10-2004, 22:37
Thanks man !! [thumbsup] Everyone is invited to send his list of preferred nations to akots via PM. We'll hopefully start this week, once akots has posted the 7 lists.
What will you choose ? [groucho]
quote:Originally posted by akots
OK, I will try to post the orders. I'm not sure exactly what this game is about so can be "neutral" guy. And hope I can keep the schedule.
GREAT!
In the 2v2v2v2 PBEM you've shown good dedication, thus I think you will be quite suitable for this task!
Stapel prefers: England, Germany, Russia
No need to do this by PM, I think.
Prefs Pmed to akots.
I think you do need to do this by Pm - its too easy to choose to play next to or avoid someone else with public preferences.
pm-ed my prefs to Akots!
THANKS AKOTS!!!!! :)
quote:Originally posted by col
Prefs Pmed to akots.
I think you do need to do this by Pm - its too easy to choose to play next to or avoid someone else with public preferences.
Oh...
I don't mind being next to nor avoiding whomever. I will screw Krys anyway ;), either early or late in the game.
I dont want to be that close to Stapel.... [mischief]
barbu1977
25-10-2004, 14:00
quote:Originally posted by ERIKK
I dont want to be that close to Stapel.... [mischief]
It worked preaty well last time...[python]
quote:Originally posted by barbu1977
quote:Originally posted by ERIKK
I dont want to be that close to Stapel.... [mischief]
It worked pretty well last time...[python]
Which is why I might be willing to screw Erikk!
But the Lepanto fuck-up is simply part of the game. I just figured I had a chance to see it work for once.
Don't know should I wait or not. Anarres is the only one who did not pm or post.
Some things dont change ...
We will probably start next week anyways if I am not mistaken. So waiting should not be a problem.
Yep, sometimes I don't even visit the forum for 20 hours! [eek]
I've PM'd my countries now.
OK, here we go:
1. Stapel - posted above, just repeating:
England, Germany, Russia
2. Anarres - 1) Italy
2) Germany
3) Ottos
3. Krys - 1. Germany
2. England
3. Russia
4. Italy
5. Turkey
6. Austria
7. France (since I lastly played it)
4. ERIKK - 1 Russia
2 France
3 Germany
4 Turkey
5 Austria
6 Italy
7 England
5. grs - France
England
Germany
6. barbu - 1- Turkey, Austria
2- Italy, Russia
3- France, Germany, England
7. col - 1 france
2 england
3 germany
4 italy
5 austria
6 turkey
7 russia
What I propose:
Anarres: Italy
Krys: Germany
Barbu: Turkey
Erikk: Russia
Stapel: England
GRS: France
Col: Austria
@Col,
If you think this really sucks, I am happy to change and play Austria again! I victory with Austria is something that is lacking in my 'diplo career', thus I don't mind going for it.
Indeed, this is the most fair considering the prefs of Col, grs and Barbu.
The other 4 are clear.
Tsar Erikk sends his greetings to the world!
GM Krys, will you post us the schedule in this thread please (or else the deadlines
as in the - to be made - CDZ diplo #3 results thread), just to be sure?
barbu1977
25-10-2004, 20:19
@Stapel, If you prefer turkey to austria, I do not mind playing austria, I wanted to try one or the other.
quote:Originally posted by barbu1977
@Stapel, If you prefer turkey to austria, I do not mind playing austria, I wanted to try one or the other.
I have already shown the C3DZ community how to lead the Turks to victory [smug] !
barbu1977
25-10-2004, 21:05
quote:Originally posted by Stapel
quote:Originally posted by barbu1977
@Stapel, If you prefer turkey to austria, I do not mind playing austria, I wanted to try one or the other.
I have already shown the C3DZ community how to lead the Turks to victory [smug] !
Yep,[crazyeye] I forgot about this one.
Col already mentionned he prefered Austria over Turkey.
Socrates
25-10-2004, 21:07
The game is open. The schedule is available for everyone to see in the sticky thread. Movement order sets are thus to be sent to akots via PM before next Friday evening.
Good luck to all ! :) (me stupid : no luck in this game !)
I think we need to wait for Col's confirmation!
Tomorrow night Tsar ERIKK has made some time free for diplomatic encounters.
He will try to be online between 20:00 and 22:00 CET.
The Tsar wishes to speak to all other dictators, if possible!
Yeah - I'll play Austria but it seems odd that I didnt get France despite picking it as first choice and noone else picked it first.
The Hapsburgs will rule once more ... ;)
A visual representation of today's geopolitical layout! ;)
Stapel: England
Krys: Germany
GRS: France Erikk: Russia
Col: Austria
Anarres: Italy
Barbu: Turkey
Russian message:
Austria, Italy and Turkey please contact me on msn or PM to set a time for some short diplo.
It would be nice to have contact [u]before</u> friday!
barbu1977
26-10-2004, 21:42
Game Master, When is the first deadline (like a date)??? "Next friday" may be diferent depending to who you talk.
Socrates
26-10-2004, 23:08
"I talk to the whole world and the whole world listens to me." - krys
There is a schedule in the sticky thread, which says that movement orders are to be sent before Fridays, 20:00 GMT (or UT if you prefer). It's not more complicated and it hasn't changed. I'll state with everyone on that once we approach the winter time, which shouldn't be far away. [hmm] By default, we'll still use the same schedule, meaning that the countries where day-saving time occurs will see the local schedule changed by one hour.
barbu1977
27-10-2004, 13:40
My question is if we start on october 29th or november 5th.
That was what I thought too. :)
At the moment I get to the forum once a day, for an hour or two. To give us this friday as a deadline would be cruel to say the least, especially when the first round is so important.
Well, that's why I try (so hard) to contact and talk to everyone b4 friday night... ;)
If all think the dealine is cruel then let the GM know. I dont think so. As for later today I will have talked to all except Italy (anarres) but he has a PM in his mailbox since this morning... [:P]
I just replied to it ERIKK.
To all: I will be online at 10pm my time (Summertime = GMT+1), maybe earlier if people can make it then.
I can make it this Friday, but on the other hand I see no good reason to not make it next Friday for turn one. To say the least: I don't understand the hectic to start the first turn this week.
barbu1977
27-10-2004, 17:00
I have no problems on starting this week, I just wanted to know if we where all on the same line.
Socrates
27-10-2004, 17:29
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
The game is open. The schedule is available for everyone to see in the sticky thread. Movement order sets are thus to be sent to akots via PM before next Friday evening.
So this message said that turn 1 ends next Friday, unless I can't read. If people find it so hard to make it, then clearly say it and we'll delay by one week. I have no problem for starting this week.
krys, you still miss the point that "Next Friday" is ambiguous. People often call the Friday about to happen as "This Friday", which makes "Next Friday" the week after!
So, "Next Friday" can mean the Friday about to happen (2 days time), or the one after that (9 days time).
HTH to clear it up. [crazyeye]
Socrates
27-10-2004, 18:35
My "next Friday" comes from the translation from French of "vendredi prochain", which means the Friday about to come (October 29). Sorry if this wasn't clear. Next time I'll make a French translation for barbu. ;)
barbu1977
27-10-2004, 18:50
In Quebec when we say "vendredi prochain" we have the same ambiguity, some people will think of it as "Vendredi de la semaine prochaine - friday of next week" and others, just a plain next friday. I guess some just translate the english equivalent and some use the original french formula.
Anyways, it took time and a little bit of help, but I'm glad to have my question answered.
I'll have my moves sent THIS friday.
For me that is very soon, but if everyone else can make it I will have too as well.
Socrates
27-10-2004, 21:59
Ils sont fous, ces Quιbecquois... ;)
So in 2 days it is.
I'm really sorry about this but I'm going to have to withdraw from this game because of a family crisis.
No worries col, I hope everything works out. :)
I think we have to delay to next week now, but krys needs to confirm this.
I have a friend who really wanted to play - if there is an open spot I will ask him.
Yeah we must delay, I hope your friend steps in!
Good luck Col!
Socrates
28-10-2004, 17:24
Well, too bad. [sad] Isn't it possible to delay the game so you have time to overcome RL difficulties ? If not, then someone will take your spot, and anar's friend is welcome to step in. We'll of course delay turn 1 by one week now. Here's hoping you will get better soon, col ! :)
I'm fine but its a family problem that isnt going to go away quickly. Going to have to resign my modship at CFC too.
Fuck, that must be pretty serious. :(
My best wishes go with you, just don't become a stranger! :)
Socrates
28-10-2004, 22:07
col told me a little about the issue. He will surely come here on a regular basis, and won't become a stranger. Hopefully he'll be able to get more involved soon after overcoming RL problems. We all wish you'll be back in great form, col !!! :) Take care !
Did you ask your friend anarres?
Socrates
04-11-2004, 00:58
Serious anar, BUMP. If you're drowning in work, maybe you should also reconsider your participation ? [blush2]
Well, I've asked him and he was very interested, but he's not registered yet so lets get someone else.
I was thinking that if someone else also wanted my spot that would be ok, since I am so busy atm. [ponder]
So we need 1 person for Austria and could also take another spot if we have someone interested in playing Italy.
Also, if Austria is a problem Stapel will trade it for England.
linking this now over to civfanatics Diplo forum...
CFC post: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2312157#post2312157
DrAlimentado
10-11-2004, 22:42
i am signing up, who do i get?
Socrates
10-11-2004, 23:02
It seems both DrA and anarres are in the game now. Thanks guys !
DrA takes Austria, anar Italy.
Should we play right now and send orders in 2 days ? No problem for me with that.
Your call. I can help DrA with what he needs to know.
No, I can't make it till Friday, that is too short.
OK, great! Let's start next friday the 19th. Then we have enough time to do the negotiations again.
A visual representation of today's geopolitical layout! ;)
Stapel: England
Krys: Germany
GRS: France Erikk: Russia
DrA: Austria
Anarres: Italy
Barbu: Turkey
Socrates
11-11-2004, 11:35
I've just updated the results thread with this : movement orders are to be sent before Friday, November 19, at 20:00 GMT. This means 20:00 in England and 21:00 in France, Germany and the Netherlands. barbu1977 can make his own local deadline, just remember that we're using winter time now. ;)
And so I declare (hopefully) Game #3 open, on the anniversary day of the end of World War I ! Is there another country apart from France where this day isn't worked (like May 8, by the way) ?
nah, WW1 is something most countries try to forget. It wasn't pretty.
We do however celebrate May Day, like all good commies. :)
barbu1977
11-11-2004, 16:32
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
Is there another country apart from France where this day isn't worked (like May 8, by the way) ?
In canada november 11 depends in which province you are in. In Quebec, it's just a regular day except that federal buildings are closed, and we see a couple of special shows on TV.
When I lived in Manitoba (province in the midle of canada) Everything was closed... The only could be opened where convenience stores who where only alowed to sell bread and milk. Nothing else.
I guess service stations where allowed to sel fuel, I don't remember.
Reporting!
I guess we shoudl all report ;)
BTW,
I think friday is too early
I only discovered today we are complete. I really do need talk here and there.
I am here.
I would like to chat with DrA: Austria; Anarres: Italy and Barbu: Turkey. I will be available tonight from about 20.00 CET on MSN. I miss the msn adresses of DrA and Barbu though. Could you please post or send them via PM?
Checking in, I will contact remaining people via PM later today.
barbu1977
17-11-2004, 12:04
Checking in...
quote:Originally posted by grs
I am here.
I would like to chat with DrA: Austria; Anarres: Italy and Barbu: Turkey. I will be available tonight from about 20.00 CET on MSN. I miss the msn adresses of DrA and Barbu though. Could you please post or send them via PM?
My MSN adress should be in my profile (added this week). I will not be on MSN before 23h30 CET (I'm on CET -6h). Confirm if you want a meeting. I can chat by PM at work thought.
I need to speak to DrA too! For the others that I already spoke to; all
will remain the same. If you want to adress something to me, please sent
me a PM!
Socrates
17-11-2004, 13:25
Checking in. Hey I'm a mod. ;)
Well, Friday is too early ? Come on guys, it's been several days since DrA and anarres agreed on playing. I've been waiting people on MSN all that time. [blush2] I'd like to have a little chat with everyone, and it can completely be done by Friday.
It's simply not an option Krys.
First turn usually needs a lot of diplo.
[hmm] I knew we would start this friday 1,5 week ago...
Anyone else who wants to delay? If it's only Stapel then it's his problem he missed earlier posts IMO...
quote:Originally posted by ERIKK
[hmm] I knew we would start this friday 1,5 week ago...
Anyone else who wants to delay? If it's only Stapel then it's his problem he missed earlier posts IMO...
Should I have checked this thread every day to see there is a 7th player?
Right!
When DrA stepped in there were a lot of posts. All read them except you.
It's a bloody shame! ;)
Oh, by the way, stop whining or you will be kicked out of the game by 1903 again!!!
[evil]
I guess I can make it.
I was pretty much set anyway, but simply wanted to be sure. I haven't seen France/GRS online, and would like to await his answer.
I am a bit surprised though, by a total 100% lack of any greetings during the last 1.5 week......
Socrates
18-11-2004, 18:17
Remember that the deadline is tomorrow at 20:00 GMT, which means 20:00 in England and 21:00 in Continental Europe, and whatever it can be in Quebec. :D As I couldn't chat to many of you on MSN, I sent some PMs. I hope we'll be able to use MSN next time.
My orders were sent a little late, work problems (I expected to get home before 8pm).
I've got all except one. Still waiting on it I guess.
Socrates
19-11-2004, 21:47
We will wait for DrA to PM akots. I wanna be nice the first turns. But I'll get a bit annoyed over time, so get good habits quickly ! ;)
barbu1977
19-11-2004, 22:06
Well, at least he as never been late before... ;)
DrAlimentado
19-11-2004, 23:49
i am a naughty boy. i am not the messiah.
OK, here we go
Spring 01 movements:
Stapel England
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Liverpool - Wales
F London - English Channel
Krys Germany
F KIE - DEN
A BER - KIE
A MUN - BUR
Grs France
F Bre - Mao
A Par - Gas
A Mar - Bur
Erikk Russia
A Moscow - Ukraine
F Sevastopol - Black Sea
F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
A Warsaw - Galicia
DrA Austria
A VIE -> GAL
A BUD -> SER
F TRI -> ALB
Anarres Italy
F Naples - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rome - Tuscany
A Venice - Piedmont
Barbu Turkey
F Ankara - Black Sea
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Smyrna - Constantinople
Socrates
20-11-2004, 01:00
Thansk akots ! [goodjob] Next time, if you could just space each nation's orders and put them in alphabetical order, it'd be perfect !!! :)
You can all see the results in the results thread. I accepted grs's move to the Atlantic, though the real formatted acronymn is "MID", not "Mao". This is the 1st turn, so I'm nice for that, but please next time, use the real ones or just write them in full text. Anyone can disagree with me being too nice (Stapel ? no, he's busy LAN-playing ;) ). Everything you need to know is... inside the "Everything you need to remember" thread (and the links which are there) ! :D Remember that RealPolitik isn't our God, though being close to that.
You can see in the results thread that next deadline (movement orders for turn 2 = fall 1901) is on next Friday, as there is no retreat order this time (there can't be any in spring 1901 anyway).
In alphabetic order ascending or descending and of players or countries or orders? But spacing is easy, I can handle that. :)
Socrates
20-11-2004, 02:27
No, just normal alphabetic order by country, like in the results thread. :) Don't bother rearranging orders, cause you might forget some, and it's OK for me. Thanks for your help, it's really appreciated. [thumbsup]
Move interpretation:
England: [u]The Split, Nothern variation</u>: no comments on this one, except that an English fleet in the ENG is bad news for France.
Germany: [u]Blitzkrieg Opening, Danish variation, Anschluss</u>: German direwction is France. England is an ally, Russia is neutral, France is the objective.
France: [u]Players Guide, Opening 3a Vineyard opening</u>: Countering a German stab, keeping Belgium open and Merseilles covered. Might be used in an allience with Eng;and with an neutral Germany.
Russia: [u]Ukraine System - Southern Defense</u>: Neutral/defensive move towards both Austria and Turkey. Can be interpretated as midly anti-Austrian, neutral to Turkey and pro-English.
Italy: [u]Western Lepanto</u>: A very anti-French opening with lots of possibilities.
Austria: [u]Balkan Gambit, Trieste Variation</u>: getting both serbia and Greece is in reach.
Turky: [u]Players opening 3</u>; The is an uncertain situation. Either Turkey is unsure of Russia or there is a pre-arranged standoff an BLA. Russia and Turkey may be at war.
These are interpretations, the fun is that nothing is certain in a diplo game! [whipped]
quote:Originally posted by ERIKK
England: an English fleet in the ENG is bad news for France.
Germany: France is the objective.
Italy: A very anti-French opening
What are you saying here? France in trouble?
It certainly looks like it when you see the map.
I got the interpretations from the diplomacy websites by the way. You can look them up yourself.
Sent my moves to Akots!
I am very excited to see what my fellow players are gonna do... [crazyeye]
I am *really* busy this week (I worked 27 hours over Wed/Thurs), so please PM me if you need to do diplo with me!!
I'm really sorry I can't be more pro-active atm, but I did warn you all that this would be the case early on in the game. As of next week our deadline is over and things will improve. (Note that our deadline is about to change from Tues to Fri next week, so next week is likely to still be bad).
As for me, I never had more diplo in one week! I had lot's of conversations on MSN and by PM's with all but you anarres. I don't care as we do not share that much interests yet. Also everybody knows your present situation so noone should blame you for anything.
I am very pleased that everybody is realy putting an effort in this game. :)
BTW I sent you one PM with my impression on the worlds situation a few days ago. That still stands for me. ;)
I have received orders from all except one player.
DrAlimentado
26-11-2004, 21:48
I am innocent this time. [afro]
OK, here we go:
Austria (DrA)
A VIE -> GAL
A SER -> RUM
F ALB -> GRE
England (Stapel)
F English Channel Convoys A Wales - Picardy
F Norwegian Sea - Norway
A Wales - Picardy
France (Grs)
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Marseilles - Spain
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
Germany (Krys)
F DEN - SWE
A KIE - HOL
A MUN - BUR
Italy (Anarres)
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Tuscany - Piedmont
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis
Russia (Erikk)
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
F Sevastopol - Rumania
A Ukraine Supports F Sevastopol - Rumania
A Warsaw - Galicia
Turkey (Barbu)
F Ankara - Black Sea
A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
Thanks Akots but I have deleted this. (ERIKK)
I have the post saved though.
Let's wait for Barbu and Krys first and have them explain why they
didn't send in their moves... (And get their moves too.)
Krys and me will set up a guideline for next times.
barbu1977
29-11-2004, 14:23
Sory, I was waiting for the official save.
I should have sent provisial moves tought
Sent
It's only the build orders that count atm, not movements.
barbu1977
29-11-2004, 15:18
Well, I meant provisional builds.
np, my bad. :)
So are we still waiting for krys-"hassle you to death about being reliable"-zcztov? :D
Yes, we will wait. It's unusual for him not to show-up this long, so I guess he has a valid reason.
He was not_feeling_well/sick friday night.
After that night he did not came back online so it's prolly quite bad... [eek]
Yep, lets wait. Someone not taking his turn this early unbalances the game for all. Not that it matters much for me...
I've got orders from Barbu. Do I pm them to Erikk? Or keep to myself?
Krys is sick/ill and hopefully not very serious but not sure. Have not seen him online since Thursday night.
Lets just hold everything.
Lets also assume krys didn't see the build post when it was first posted (I never saw it either), but lets also agree not to accept any changes to existing orders too, just to make sure no-one can take advantage of it.
Note that barbu's orders are not a change, but his first set, so there is no problem there if he says he didn't see the build orders.
I deleted the post without the Barbu and Krys orders a few minutes after it was posted. Only
Stapel was online too. Akots, please wait till Krys sends you his orders too and then post all
of them again. Or just post those two and then I fill in the rest. I don't mind.
barbu1977
29-11-2004, 18:11
Looking at the time it was/post edited, I could have read it, but luckily for the outcome of the game, I slep in this morning. (I finished Age of Wonders II late last night).
Socrates
30-11-2004, 00:28
Hello world ! [geekness ?]
Sorry for this, but I've been subject to a fucking sickness for several days now. While technically I could have visited here, I was really NOT feeling like it. I still have the head fucked up as I'm writing this. [thumbsup] I knew there couldn't been any retreat last turn, but why did akots post some but not all build orders ? Speaking to ERIKK could have been wise IMHO. But since no one saw it, I suggest we could declare those orders obsolete ? I now intend to delay the game by one full week, unless someone strongly objects. I'll have a hard time to conduct good diplo this week, so my best solution is to set the next deadline (builds) on Monday in one week. This will allow us (and me) to discuss things before deciding where to build.
Sorry about it, it was unintentionnal and unexpected. [lol] Sometimes when you feel sick, you gotta stop the Internet routine for a while. [cool] I'd like to have a word with ERIKK soon for admin stuff, but I'm already glad that players show enthusiasm in this game.
The show must go on but I'm not gay. [hmm]
[Some smileys in this post seem to be fucked up to...]
I do not feel like delaying a full week. It is only you that has some troubles being on time. Barbu wasn't watching very well as I posted the new save in the results thread this weekend (sathurday evening?) so his excuse is quite vague IMO.
Akots posted the orders as he did not know what to do (he suddenly heard nothing from you anymore [u]as you did not felt like visting here to inform us</u>, like you say above!). So dont blame Akots, he posts the moves on time as expected and we are responsible for sending the moves on time.
I deleted them quite fast thus only me and possibly Stapel saw them. but that is clearly foreknowledge on other peoples moves. I suggest you give your orders to Akots ASAP and carry on. We can have diplo on the spring leter this week, maybe we can arrange an evening with all members on line?
Erik
I see no reason fo delay.
Hurry up please!
At least let the orders stand. I see no reason that anybody should get to change them, especially ERIKK, since he saw the old build orders. ;)
My personal preference is to push on, but I will go with whatever.
Of course no one is allowed to change his orders!
Holy Maceroni dudes. All Krys needs to do is send 2 build orders. Something he must have seen coming a decade ago.
If you need a delay for a week we could do that AFTER the build orders for winter 1901. Please send the builds to akots.
Well, please, I'm sorry but it was a deadline and I did not know what to do. For future, please make clear what to do in similar cases.
akots, you really did nothing wrong, and your help is appreciated.
I *guess* krys is asking why you posted some and didn't wait after the deadline, but we've never told you otherwise, so I don't understand his point...
Socrates
30-11-2004, 15:13
Merde, qu'est-ce qui se passe ici ? [hmm]
Lemme tell you why I didn't visit CDZ. I can hardly step out of my bed these days, as I have the brain not working anymore. These days maybe were the worst set of days in my life : I had the inner will to do stuff, but I just couldn't. For the sake of the game, akots and others knew that something was wrong with me, so I felt confident that you would wait for me. Whatever the pleasure I have playing this game, it's not cool when it's mixed with a head not working.
I don't blame akots, as I'm partly responsible for not telling him what to do in such a case. So akots here it is : posting partial orders without a word from either ERIKK or myself (and also other players) can screw a game. [eek] In any case when you're not sure, please hold on and wait. In this case some players know what other players had the intention to play, so you can see the mess. [crazyeye]
What I feel responsible for is not telling you all that I would be unavailable to continue the game these days. Each day I hope (and not pray since when you're grown up enough, you gotta learn to live without a hypothetical God) it will be better, but it will apparently take more time. Consider this : I didn't closed an eye for a single minute during the whole night before the build deadline. And then at 9am or 10am, I suddenly felt a horrible need to go to bed again. I'm not trying to justify myself, I'm trying to explain you why I didn't show up, and <s>God knows</s> I know (please tell God to shut up) I'm "right".
About delaying before/after build deadline : it doesn't make a difference for me. I need time to talk to other players for my builds, as I have EIGHT different options myself, and I feel the need to talk to other players to discuss where I'd like them to build (and I guess some of you want to do the same with me). Since this week I'll be cool with myself, I think delaying the build deadline to next Monday is a reasonable thing. Also, maybe some players have the wish to change their build orders (yes, you read it right) because of the interference with me. I'm aware of people knowing what other players wrote. Either everyone declares those orders as blank and change/keep them, either I'm the only one to send some, but then I'd feel some of you may feel screwed for sending orders before talking with me, and I know some of you wanted to talk to me this weekend.
All in all, I'm sorry for that, it's a 1-time thing. I'm not over-ruling anyone, I'm waiting for your constructive feedback, so please something else than "send your orders at once dude !" (not very diplomatic).
*ERIKK gives constructive feedback on MSN right now...*
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
I think delaying the build deadline to next Monday is a reasonable thing.
The only thing reasonable is you to send in your orders within the hour now.
quote:Also, maybe some players have the wish to change their build ordersNot an option.
I would say it is very unfair to all of us if ERIKK saw the orders, and makes his based on that.
Most people's orders wouldn't change because of your builds, if anyones at all would, but I think you must make you orders and we must proceed.
tbh the issue of waiting isn't the most important thing here - the most important thing is that it is MUCH worse if we all are allowed to re-issue build orders. Because of this I think you should give your build orders WITHOUT any of us getting to change ours, this is important to me.
No-one is blaming you for being ill, but I don't think somone being ill should mean ANYONE else is disadvantaged. If we can make it fairer for you by giving you more time then that is fine, but now we have all sent our orders and at least 1 player has seen them, so it really wouldn't be fair for the rest of us if we have to reissue our build orders. Losing the chance to chat about builds is not so bad compared to ERIKK getting foreknowledge of all our our moves.
As to needing the time to discuss with people - should I get allowances because I am working a 70 hour week for the last month and have little time to chat? I'm really not trying to be rude, but just pointing out that losing the chance to chat about your builds is not much compared to the amount of times I have had to miss all diplo for a turn because I am too busy.
With both your 'allies against France' and me online on MSN right now you can discuss those builds quickly and submit the orders IMO... You will miss Austria and Turkey but I suppose they aren't that importanmt to you.
Then we can carry on! :)
ERIKK you can't take part! you've seen build orders!!
lol: i realy dont remember what you and stapel build!
Wow, nice to be excluded from diplo. You think a 3:1 is too easy for me?
EDIT: to be honest, I would consider it close to a cheat, if anyone does diplo with krys before he submits his builds. It is hard enough already for me.
Sorry grs, I forgot you..., come to MSN, then you can talk to Krys, he will post his moves tonite.
EDIT: Only I know the moves of you, stapel, DrA and anarres. And I hardly looked at them and am not talking to Krys or Barbu on them.
Sorry, but I have work to do. This is not my time for a chat. I was availible from Friday till Sunday between the moves and the build phase. I can accept waiting for someone's orders, but I can not accept to you all doing some short diplo because someone was late. Either Krys does his 2 builds now, or the game is broken.
Socrates
30-11-2004, 16:29
OK, having chatted mostly on my unavailability today, I decided to hassle myself and get back into the game. anarres wins the diplomatic point BTW. :) I will post my orders myself tonight here, since I'm confident that all the other orders are ready to be posted unchanged. I don't see any reason why someone who hasn't seen some build orders should not talk to me about my builds. This concerns grs, DrA and barbu, who can all PM me now for some hours. It is worse than what I wanted it to be, but it is better than nothing. We will set the next deadline on next Friday, like originally planned. :)
Well, FWIW I didn't do any diplo with krys, and when I was online neither did ERIKK or Stapel.
The online chat was about getting the game moving again, and was only procedural (at least for me!)...
quote:Originally posted by grs
Wow, nice to be excluded from diplo. You think a 3:1 is too easy for me?
EDIT: to be honest, I would consider it close to a cheat, if anyone does diplo with krys before he submits his builds. It is hard enough already for me.
I agree with this.
quote:Originally posted by anarres
Well, FWIW I didn't do any diplo with krys, and when I was online neither did ERIKK or Stapel.
The online chat was about getting the game moving again, and was only procedural (at least for me!)...
I actually did repeat to Krys what I had already told him earlier. We did not discuss about it.
quote:Originally posted by Stapel
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
I think delaying the build deadline to next Monday is a reasonable thing.
The only thing reasonable is you to send in your orders within the hour now.
I posted that at 15:33. It's 19:14 now.
Let me get it right here:
If you are late with sending orders, but are allowed to send in build orders anyway, you should do so immediately, when you come online. It's ok to think for a while, but your chance to conduct diplo is gone. We all should be prepared to anticipate our orders.
In other words:
[u]Get your moves in NOW, or consider it a NMR/NBR!</u>
Socrates
30-11-2004, 18:44
krys's adjustment orders - thanx for letting me some time to think about the game
Germany :
+ A BER
+ A MUN
Original Akots post:
Krys is not around, don't know what to post. I'll post what I got. But please-please, in the future, clearly indicate what is what, which country and what orders. So, if I did something wrong, sorry then.
Austria (DrA)
Build A BUD
Build A TRI
England (Stapel)
Build F Liverpool
France (Grs)
+ F Marseilles
+ A Paris
Germany (Krys)
Nothing received. Hope he is OK.
Italy (Anarres)
Fleet in NAP
Russia (Erikk)
Build F Sevastopol
Turkey (Barbu)
Nothing received.
PM from Barbu:
Sent to: akots - 29 Nov 2004 : 14:24:19 14:24:19
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Turkey:
Build F Constantinople
And then Krys:
Germany :
+ A BER
+ A MUN
Cool, so the next deadline is Friday and we can get going again! [coool]
Socrates
30-11-2004, 20:05
The results thread is now completely up-to-date, so we can get back to the normal schedule, ie. : Friday night (sorry barbu) for spring 1902. You can contact me on MSN or PM me, I'm feeling better and think I can handle diplo for some time.
Socrates
03-12-2004, 08:46
I will now edit the 1st post of the results thread each time a new deadline is up, so as akots can quickly check when it is due. Don't worry if you don't see where the "new stuff" arrived, it might be that from now on.
A note to everybody : it could be really nice if every set of orders was headlined with at least the name of the country. And please give your PMs a clear title, so as akots can handle them with as little thinking as possible. Go read the sticky thread for clues... :)
quote: I will now edit the 1st post of the results thread each time a new deadline is up, so as akots can quickly check when it is due. I don't think there was a problem, that akots did not know when the moves were due; the problem is that he does not get them in time.
Socrates
03-12-2004, 16:55
quote:Originally posted by grs
I don't think there was a problem, that akots did not know when the moves were due; the problem is that he does not get them in time.
Sorry ? akots personally himself and no one else but His Majesty told me about this precise problem, and I solved it for him, and he was happy. :)
Moves spring 1902
Austria (DrA)
A TRI - VIE
A VIE - GAL
A BUD S A VIE - GAL
A SER S A BUL - RUM
F GRE BUL
England (Stapel)
F English Channel - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
A Picardy Brest
France (Grs)
A Gascony - Brest
F Marseilles Hold
A Paris Supports A Gascony - Brest
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Spain Supports F Marseilles
Germany (Krys)
F DEN - SWE
A BER - PRU
A BUR S A PIE - MAR
A HOL - BEL
A MUN SIL
Italy (Anarres)
F Naples - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Piedmont - Marseilles
F Tunis - Western Mediterranean
A Tuscany Piedmont
Russia (Erikk)
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
F Rumania - Black Sea
F Sevastopol Supports F Rumania - Black Sea
A Ukraine - Rumania
A Warsaw Ukraine
Turkey (Barbu)
A Ankara - Armenia
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Bulgaria - Rumania
F Constantinople Supports F Black Sea
Socrates
04-12-2004, 13:35
OK, the turn has been solved, but there is one bug : DrA's move to Bulgaria. In a strict way, the order is considered invalid because it must be specified "north coast" or "south coast". Ignoring any event of the actual game, here is what makes me think the move can be granted :
- DrA is a total newbie, and this is his 1st mistake ;
- the fleet in Greece can only move to the south coast anyway.
I know some cunning players can use this trick to fake their motives, but I doubt this is DrA's case. So I'd like him to confirm that he just forgot to write down "SC" (or not). Everyone can bring his input in the case, as for me I'm open to grant the move. I know DrA could have a look at the situation after the turn to decide his best move (!!!), but I have faith in our community, and I hope DrA can deliver a 100% true message.
Let the accused person enter the courthouse ! The results are ready to be updated at any time. BTW : there is no retreat whatsoever this turn, so the next deadline is on next Friday anyway.
Ingame comment : Waoh ! Looks like some kind of Operation Barbarossa has started ! ;) [eek]
I also think it should be allowed - first offense.
I actually loaded the saves in to RP and commented to DrA over messenger that his fleet didn't move to BUL like he wanted, and he was pretty suprised and told me he thought I'd entered the moves wrong.
BTW, (IIRC) you (krys) personally told me in my first ever game that ONLY St Petersberg and Spain had N/S coast thingies, so this suprised me too!!
Move to Bul, fine with me.
I even think official rules only need the coast addition, if there are actually two possibilities.
Socrates
04-12-2004, 16:36
Seems like the move is being accepted - fine. Still want to hear from other guys though. I will however update the results with the move accepted. But, as you can read in the 1st post of the results thread, every result can be subject to change if someone disagrees.
@ Stapel : Not sure if official rules require it or not when there is only one possibility. Just checked it : they don't state anything for this situation where only one coast is possible.
@ anarres : I can't find where I told you only 2 regions had 2 coasts, we must have talked about it on MSN. I'm sorry if I did, because I have the clear knowledge in my head of the THREE regions in such a case. What save did you load ?? But I was surprised like you : after clicking on "comitting" I saw that the fleet wasn't allowed to move to Bulgaria ; it appeared I had accidently clicked on the north coast, I just didn't do it carefully because DrA's order didn't hint me on the possibility of 2 coasts. [lol]
IMHO the rules always require you to state the coast, if a region has two. But that is not the point, as I am not a rulemonger. I would accept the move, because there is no way for DrA to profit from giving an unclear order and as there is only one option, it is even doubtfull if it is an unclear order.
I would like to know, where we draw the line on that subject. What will happen if Russia builds F in St.Pete or Turkey move from Constantinople to Bulgaria without stating the coast? What happens if the coast is forgotten in Support order, where you could argue the coast is clear because of the attack that was going ot be supported? I am not sure we should decide that case by case.
EDIT: I have to correct myself. In fact the rules clearly state that the coast only has to be specified if there is doubt (page 5 of the manual).
quote:EDIT: I have to correct myself. In fact the rules clearly state that the coast only has to be specified if there is doubt (page 5 of the manual).
What I was thinking indeed!
quote:I would like to know, where we draw the line on that subject. What will happen if Russia builds F in St.Pete or Turkey move from Constantinople to Bulgaria without stating the coast? What happens if the coast is forgotten in Support order, where you could argue the coast is clear because of the attack that was going ot be supported? I am not sure we should decide that case by case.
We will play hard!
Unless all (all, not just a majority) agree!
DrAlimentado
05-12-2004, 00:41
Whoops!
well I actually didnt really realise that I needed to specify a coast, I am aware that bul has 2 of them it just never occured to me that I needed to say which. I was definitely headed for the south coast anyway.
I agree that we should be clear and precise about these things. I'll make sure I dont make the same mistake again!
Socrates
05-12-2004, 01:01
No worries, DrA, it seems everybody agrees with your move. :)
@ grs : Could you provide me with a pic of where you saw this ? On page 5, I could only see them explaining that one of the coast has to be specified if the 2 are possible, but they're not talking about the cases where only one coast is possible.
I agree we need to play hard on rules, because supposed mistakes can lead to confusion in this game. We want to avoid that. We will require the coast to be specified in ANY case, unless someone strongly objects or unless I can be provided with a rule stating the opposite (same version of the rules than the 3 links I gave in the sticky thread). BTW, rules seem to state that Bulgaria has a "south" coast and an "east" coast ; I always thought it was "north" coast as well. At least that's what I have on my French board. ;) If anyone agrees with "east" coast, I'll update the sticky thread.
krys: you already read it. "You need to ... if two are possible" implies that you dont if one is.
Socrates
05-12-2004, 02:38
quote:Originally posted by grs
krys: you already read it. "You need to ... if two are possible" implies that you dont if one is.
Unless I'm badly mistaken because it's so late here :
WRONG ! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG ! And I know what I'm saying, I studied "algebra" in mathematics in my first years of university. ;)
Basically you claim that :
"A implies B" is equal to "not A implies not B".
Which is false ! A correct sentence would be :
"A implies B" is equal to "not B implies not A". ;)
Very different. Find out the 4 cases, put in a 2x2 table, and you'll see it. BTW I'm not implying that your statement is just wrong in any case : I'm implying it's wrong per se, because out of the void we can find a counter-example (which destroys your statement). Of course we could say that there is an insinuation in the rules, but we can't be sure.
My 2 <s>cents</s> <s>euros</s> <s>eyes</s> balls. [:o]
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
On page 5, I could only see them explaining that one of the coast has to be specified if the 2 are possible,This means:
Only if there are 2 possibilities, you have to specify.
VERY VERY CLEAR!
In this case, there was only one posssibily, the south coast, thus no specification was needed.
Dr. A's move was perfectly ligitimate.
quote:I agree we need to play hard on rules, because supposed mistakes can lead to confusion in this game. We want to avoid that. We will require the coast to be specified in ANY case, unless someone strongly objects or unless I can be provided with a rule stating the opposite.
Playing hard on rules mean you do mnot have to specify in ANY case.
Word from soon-to-be-dead Russia!
I took a look at the map and it seems Russia will be dead soon. Russia got fucked by the Germans and probably the Turks (if so, it's Russia's own fault) and Austria is simply and wisely proviting from the situation.
France is holding up very nice! [thumbsup]
Maybe it is not obvious enough already but I want to stress to fools England and Italy that while both stay stuck in France, not threatening Austria and [u]especially that sly Germany [mad3]</u>, the Germans and Aussies are collecting sc's (mine) en masse. England's brilliant flight out of Norway prevents me giving him Sweden (or StP). Well done England! ;)
Germany and Austria can both gain 2 more sc's and prevent Italy, Turkey and England on getting one. Maybe it's for Italy and England not that smart to put all their trust in Germany and Austria?
Oh well, maybe I am just paranoid...
Socrates
05-12-2004, 13:37
Don't wanna have an argument over a quite stupid thing, but just for the sake of it, here is what is stated on page 5 :
"If a Fleet is ordered to one of these provinces, and it is possible for the Fleet to move to either coast, the order must specify which coast, or the Fleet does not move."
From a pure guess, I could think that either stating it or not stating it can be mandatory if only one coast is possible. Of course I do think that we should be clear on that, to avoid further confusion. So either we state that the only coast is mandatory in the order, either we state it is not (since I fail to see it clearly in the official rules). I have no problem with either solution. I'll update the sticky thread with this soon, as well was stating we have an "east" coast in Bulgaria. [tongue]
Also, Stapel, what does "playing hard on rules" mean ? I realize I used these words without really understanding them. I just wanted to say that we want to be strict on rules, after making them clear. But we'll still be nice if the order isn't really leading to confusion.
Ingame comment : Here we go, that Ruskie bear whining all over the place ! Meh, I'm just making sure no one will ever enter both Prussia and Silesia, which seem to be German provinces. I'm officially building a Maginot line, are you upset because you won't enter Germany soon ? Did you want to attack me in the long run ? :(
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
Ingame comment : Here we go, that Ruskie bear whining all over the place ! Meh, I'm just making sure no one will ever enter both Prussia and Silesia, which seem to be German provinces. I'm officially building a Maginot line, are you upset because you won't enter Germany soon ? Did you want to attack me in the long run ? :(
I think everyone who reads this will believe you instantly!
I guess I wont have to start about your request to have a DMZ in that area? But hey, that's the game; I shouldn't have trusted you in the first place. My bad, very well played by you of course!
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
Don't wanna have an argument over a quite stupid thing, but just for the sake of it, here is what is stated on page 5 :
"If a Fleet is ordered to one of these provinces, and it is possible for the Fleet to move to either coast, the order must specify which coast, or the Fleet does not move."
From a pure guess, I could think that either stating it or not stating it can be mandatory if only one coast is possible. Of course I do think that we should be clear on that, to avoid further confusion. So either we state that the only coast is mandatory in the order, either we state it is not (since I fail to see it clearly in the official rules).
The rules are clear to me. It must be your English ;). It sais you need to add the coast, if both are possible! That means you do not need to, if only one is possible.
DrAlimentado
05-12-2004, 18:35
hmm, well reading the rules quoted here it seems quite clear that if it is possible for the fleet to move to only one coast you need not specify it. As there is no possibility of misinterpretation this makes sense.
The move works in realpolitik if you click on the south coast, if you click on the east(north) coast then the move fails.
Socrates
05-12-2004, 20:22
OK guys, I've just updated the sticky thread. No need to precise the coast if it is 100% obvious, I'll just write it down in the official results. Bulgaria gets a fucking east coast. [lol]
col replied to my PM, but he basically said the same as you. :( I guess he didn't get my "pure" vision of the argument (that is, ackowledging an insinuation). Look at DrA's latest post : "it seems quite clear..." Yes it seems but it is not (quite clear). This was just a try to decipher some sentences without searching for an insinuation. The case is close I guess. :)
Moves fall 1902
Austria (DrA)
A BUD->RUM
A SER S A BUD->RUM
A VIE S A GAL
A GAL S A SIL->WAR
F BUL->CON
England (Stapel)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Norwegian Sea - Norway
A Picardy Brest
France (Grs)
A Brest Supports A Paris
F Marseilles - Gulf of Lyon
A Paris Supports A Brest
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Spain Gascony
Germany (Krys)
F DEN - SWE
A BEL S A BUR
A BUR S A BEL
A PRU - LVN
A SIL WAR
Italy (Anarres)
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Tuscany Supports A Piedmont
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Russia (Erikk)
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
F Sevastopol Hold
A Ukraine Supports F Sevastopol
A Warsaw Hold
Turkey (Barbu)
A Armenia - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Supports A Armenia - Sevastopol
F Constantinople - Bulgaria(sc)
A Rumania Supports A Galicia - Ukraine
barbu1977
10-12-2004, 22:31
Ho well, I sould not have bent to pick up that soap bar in the shower.
To all: things went totally as expected, right? [groucho]
Retreat orders: A WAR - MOS
quote:Originally posted by barbu1977
Ho well, I sould not have bent to pick up that soap bar in the shower.
No worries Barbu, nobody saw that one coming! [whatsthis
ehh...
By the way:
Look at my word from my soon to be dead Russia post from dec 5 again and tell me I am [u]not</u> a prophet... [cyclops]
Socrates
10-12-2004, 22:57
Mmmmh, this latest turn was quite fine... :D Anyone up for a cup of tea ? :)
ERIKK, ok for your retreat, since you're the only one. Gonna apply it now. Which means we can chat about builds (well, we = DrA and myself ;) ) right now. ERIKK, don't forget you have a unit to disband during the winter.
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
Which means we can chat about builds (well, we = DrA and myself ;) ) right now.
As I said in the post above: look at my word from my soon to be dead Russia post from dec 5 again and tell me I am [u]not</u> a prophet... [cyclops]
Socrates
10-12-2004, 23:21
Hehe, yes I read it again, and it was really well-thought ! So :
You are a prophet, ERIKK. :)
I personally have an uncontrollable desire to kill any prophet standing in front of me, but that's just me. [hammer] Kill the prophet !!! [headstab] [lol]
DrAlimentado
11-12-2004, 00:03
[blush2]
Socrates
11-12-2004, 22:46
It seems CDZ will be down for some large portion of the weekend, possibly up to Monday, because of us moving to a new ISP. The game will resume only when CDZ is set up on the new server. I hope that we'll have the builds known and posted by Monday night, so that everyone has the time to discuss about spring 1903 for many days during the following week.
Just got home. This means war, Krys!
Socrates
12-12-2004, 18:10
quote:Originally posted by Stapel
Just got home. This means war, Krys!
No problem. Come here and fight ! [rabbit]
Winter 1902
Austria (DrA)
+Army BUD
+Fleet TRI
Germany (Krys)
+ F BER
+ F KIE
Russia (Erikk)
Remove A Ukraine
It is only now that I have a chance to see the latest orders. I still can't download the save.
Should we delay one week, for the forum was off line?
I agree we should delay, the uploads won't be up until tonight.
I tried to re-uplaod but the feature isn't working atm. I can email it if you give me a non-CDZ address. :)
Socrates
16-12-2004, 15:37
quote:Originally posted by Stapel
It is only now that I have a chance to see the latest orders. I still can't download the save.
Should we delay one week, for the forum was off line?
Damn Stapel, couldn't you ask me on MSN the builds that were done ? [eek] The CDZ migration didn't bug me in any way this week, I knew the builds, I spoke to people on MSN, well I'm almost set up for the turn. Please tell us if you need extra time, after all you may not need an extra full week ? [scratch] I can give you the save on MSN, and I will do it right now. :)
EDIT : Not many replies here, is it because some people encounter difficulties in accessing CDZ ? I'd prefer a majority of players to agree on delaying the game by one full week, instead of 1 or 2 players complaining. I don't know how you missed the builds but after all, everyone has his own RL. I can only remember my sickness which wasn't enough to delay the game by a full week, though I had been away from my PC for several days... If some players need more time, we could extend some deadlines (after all, this weekend won't have builds to be dealt with). Any idea ? If CDZ is continueing to be down from time to time (which happens to me, but never for long), there will be a real problem, I reckon. In any case, send an email to akots : akots AT sbcglobal DOT net. And don't hesitate to come on MSN to ask me the updated save in case you don't have access to CDZ. akots can send me all the orders if this is the case, so that I can solve the turn. Lastly, I will be away (holidays, my first real holidays since... a full year ago [eek] ) with no Internet access between December 26 and January 2 included (that's Sunday to Sunday). So I request a delay of one week of course. ;)
I still have problems posting here.
Ok, my opinion. I do not need a delay this week, nor the christmas/new years week, but I would like to propose the following.
We set the Spring deadline to Wednesday the 23rd - so everyone will have enough time and we probably wont be able to do a move the week after that anyways. There maybe some retreats, which could be handled on the Thursday.
We set the Fall deadline to Friday the 7th January and resume the usual schedule from there on.
I think we should delay one week. I need to PM my neighbours again.
DrAlimentado
17-12-2004, 01:08
well I would like to delay as little as possible - especially considering that we will have a short break over xmas/new year anyway.
is there anyway we can fit in more than just spring03 and any retreats before the end of next week?
how about spring-03 on sunday 19th, retreats on monday, and then fall-03 on thursday 23rd? I would even consider doing fall-03 by wednesday if that suited others, just seems a shame to only get 1 turn in before we break for the new year...
[hmm] I can live with that schedule.
Please can all respond on this proposal?
Socrates
17-12-2004, 11:09
I much prefer DrA's proposal over grs's one : I'd really find it hard that some people need until next Wednesday [eek] to do their missing diplo. Expanding on DrA's idea, I propose :
- spring 1903 movement : Sunday, December 19th, 12:00
- spring 1903 retreat (if any) : Monday, December 20th, 12:00
- fall 1903 movement : Thursday, December 23rd, 20:00
- fall 1903 retreat (if any) : Friday, December 24th, 20:00
- winter 1903 adjustment (if any) : Saturday, December 25th, 20:00
Up to us all to see if we can make it during the Christmas days, we could also postpone the winter deadline to the usual Monday in early January. As for myself, I can live with that schedule, and will be able to go on holiday with the year 1903 done. Anyone is OK ? Anyone needs real days off ?
DrAlimentado
17-12-2004, 13:10
that seems okay to me too, retreats and builds should be easy to plan ahead.
I am working 11 hrs every day until (and inc.) the 24th [:O] - so if anyone wants to do diplo you can catch me on msm most nights briefly - sometime between 10pm-midnight GMT. Else use pm's and i will do my best to respond asap.
barbu1977
17-12-2004, 15:26
Fine with me.
ok with me - so the deadline is tomorrow?
I will be online tomorrow afternoon if you want to catch me, or I will check PM's later on tonight.
Socrates
19-12-2004, 01:22
So everybody agreed on my schedule proposal, which means the next deadline is tomorrow at noon (GMT). Going to update the results thread with that.
Shit - I didn't see the noon bit. Can't we please have the deadline in the evening?
Socrates
19-12-2004, 03:31
Dear anarres, you're required to do some quick Diplo tomorrow afternoon, so that we can discover the results sometime before the sun sets... [mischief] Please PM akots so that he delays his posting. Once again I'm gonna receive insults by others because I was too kind. ;) I don't care. ;)
EDIT : akots has this in his current signature at CFC :
"Away from computer strarting from Friday December 17th afternoon till Sunday December 19th late night. Sorry for delayed PBEMs."
I guess we'll have to wait for tomorrow morning. :( Any alternative plan ? Would be difficult to ask everyone to resend their orders to someone else.
Well, he will be back late tonight. If he gets to it then or tomorrow, it's probably quicker than we could all resend to another person.
I couldn't get online yesteday. I just got home. Orders sent immediately!
SORRY!
DrAlimentado
20-12-2004, 16:26
heh
I found a way past the blockers at my work. Now I can check diplo from here too, mwuhahahaha.
Socrates
20-12-2004, 17:22
I PMed akots about posting the orders now, but he didn't read it. :( I wonder when we'll be able to know the orders...
[...]
Still nothing ? :(
barbu1977
20-12-2004, 18:12
2 ways:
a) we all post our moves, Akots will post moves later so a player is disqualified if the moves don't match.
b) I send my moves to GRS, afterwards, you guys all send me your moves, then I can post the moves. (here again we can double check with the orders akots got.)
Socrates
20-12-2004, 19:11
I personally prefer to wait for akots to post the orders, because we can never be sure if he got all of them etc... Safety for the sake of the game before the pace.
Please refrain your impatience (what I'm doing). ;) We'll decide afterwards if we can play fall 1903 before the end of the week.
Just got home, sorry for delay.
Austria (DrA)
A GAL -> UKR
A VIE -> GAL
A BUD S A RUM
A RUM S A SER -> BUL
A SER -> BUL
F BUL -> AEG
F TRI -> ALB
England (Stapel)
F English Channel - North Sea
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Norway - Sweden
A Picardy - Belgium
France (Grs)
A Brest Supports A Paris
A Gascony Supports F Portugal - Spain(sc)
F Marseilles Hold
A Paris Supports A Brest
F Portugal - Spain(sc)
Germany (Krys)
F BER - BAL
F DEN - NTH
F KIE - HOL
A BEL S A BUR
A BUR S A BEL
A LVN - STP
A WAR S A GAL - UKR
Italy (Anarres)
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Tuscany - Venice
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
Russia (Erikk)
F Gulf of Bothnia Supports F Norway - Sweden
A Moscow - St Petersburg
F Sevastopol - Rumania
Turkey (Barbu)
A Armenia Hold
F Black Sea - Constantinople
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
Socrates
21-12-2004, 03:16
Thanks akots for doing this. Next deadline is on Thursday evening (20:00 GMT). Everyone agreed on this anyway. ;)
@ ERIKK : You will die, damn you Ruskie Bear ! [lol] Too bad your support to Stapel was more symbolic than effective. We can only applaude Stapel trying to retreat from France, showing his incapacity in doing something effective (teasing you ;) ). So Stapel, you found a soon-to-die friend ? Is this morally acceptable ? [mischief] [lol]
Well, seems you and your pet buddy had not much progress in the East last turn. Maybe things chance once you can't lie to people anymore?
Too bad Italy (!) (and France too) failed to meet expectations. Seems they still arent working together so all things look bright and shiny for you Krys!
Overunning Turkey and Russia is a simple matter of time on this board.
Socrates
21-12-2004, 14:46
Mmmh I somewhat disagree with your analysis, ERIKK. First I don't have a pet buddy, DrA currently has 7 centers, just like me, and some people seemed scared to see Austria that strong. Second, we did much progress last turn, at least what we had planned to : Ukraine. But I reckon you defended St Petersburg well, anyway for me it was just a bonus, but now with Stapel in Sweden I wish I had gone for Moscow... with my support ? Third, I didn't lie to you, ERIKK, I kept my mouth as closed as possible until the attack. Four, I really wonder if you can see through the other players' eyes, ERIKK : why would anarres stop attacking France, at the precise moment where he has a chance to get results ? What can anarres do otherwise ? At least Stapel has the chance to annoy me in Scandinavia, but anarres has almost no chance to annoy DrA in... Austria ! [crazyeye]
That said, I wouldn't count on a friendly England with anyone anymore. This nation has attacked or abandonned everyone on the board. [groucho]
DrAlimentado
21-12-2004, 17:48
hehehehehe
funny fuckers.
Socrates
23-12-2004, 00:37
A little reminder for everyone : the deadline was fixed on Thursday (tomorrow) at 20:00 GMT, it was agreed by everyone. Hopefully the year can be done by Saturday ! :) Good luck to everyone, here's hoping you'll have time to chat with everyone.
It is past 2 hours from the deadline and orders from two players are still missing.
Hmm...I see 5 players on msn + me is 6. I really do not hope you are doing your diplo now. This is annoying.
I don't know if I sent orders or not, so I've sent some now.
I am online but have not done any diplo today.
Wow, still no results? That really makes me wonder as *all* players were online last night and akots was too. As I read it we all agreed to the schedule...
Still have not received orders from one player.
Stapel is still "away" on MSN... :(
DrAlimentado
24-12-2004, 11:27
man, and I have been out, got pissed and stoned and come into work half baked since I posted my orders...
WAKE UP STAPEL!!!
Kingreno
24-12-2004, 15:55
Stapel is with his family till afetr X-mas, that's what he told me on MSN.
Socrates
24-12-2004, 16:36
Well, I must thank Mr. Stapel for letting us aware of his plans. [thumbsup] I think Christmas isn't something that suddenly falls upon you, it is perfectly visible in advance. And BTW, I left him a message on MSN last night, saying we were waiting for him (he was "absent") ; how can he have missed it if he went offline then ? Or did his PC shut down MSN because of whatever Internet connection problem ? [hmm]
If he isn't back today, we'll have to wait for early January to resume the game. ERIKK, no need to update the results thread while I'm away, I'll do it when I come back. Anyway, the 1st week in January will be used for resuming the game, and the weekend after that (January 8-9) for the end of fall 1903. No alternative I can see. :(
It's friday today right? So I still have 2 hours!
Sending now!
Now is the first time I hear about a dead line on thursday........ In my mind I only agreed with last deadline on sunday (iirc).
Edit: I never realised there was a change for this week (nor do understand why????????). I didn't bother to read the proposal post, and assumed it was about last weeks changes (due to the forum move). I simply never came to my mind there was even a change this week, nor did anybody tell me about it in chats, afaik.
Socrates
24-12-2004, 19:06
quote:Originally posted by Stapel
I didn't bother to read the proposal post, and assumed it was about last weeks changes (due to the forum move).
Bas, are you telling me you don't read what I write in a forum for everyone ? What's the use of having a forum if I need to remind everyone of whatever change by PM or on MSN ? If you can answer this simple question, you're my new champion. Now isn't the time to discuss this change, it was proposed so that we could have the week between Christmas and New Year with the year 1903 done.
akots is welcome to post the orders now. I hope we can know the builds by tomorrow evening.
quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov
quote:Originally posted by Stapel
I didn't bother to read the proposal post, and assumed it was about last weeks changes (due to the forum move).
Bas, are you telling me you don't read what I write in a forum for everyone ?Indeed! Your overuse of words is hopelessly infamous on this forum (that's no joke Krys). I have stopped long ago reading everything you write ;).
quote:What's the use of having a forum if I need to remind everyone of whatever change by PM or on MSN ?I simply never ever expected there could possibly be a change (especially a speed-up, not a delay) of date this week.
quote:Now isn't the time to discuss this change, it was proposed so that we could have the week between Christmas and New Year with the year 1903 done.Ah,ok.
Maybe you could have told so (by MSN, we have daily contact by MSN, what's the bother to inform/ask/consult me about a possible speed-up). I never got the idea this was necissary, to speed things up.
DrAlimentado
24-12-2004, 20:51
krys, really... chill!
so stapel didnt read the thread properly, well I would prefer he had read it and posted his orders - but really I dont think that it merits a big heap of anything.
shit happens, and its xmas anyway...
stapel - the change was to catch up on the delayed deadline from last week, so that we would still get 2 turns done in 2 weeks, it made sense honestly! hopefully we can all get build orders done tomorrow.
quote:Originally posted by DrAlimentadostapel - the change was to catch up on the delayed deadline from last week, so that we would still get 2 turns done in 2 weeks, it made sense honestly! hopefully we can all get build orders done tomorrow.
We already had caught up....
But I understand now we had to speed-up, due to Krys's holidays.
Austria (DrA)
A GAL S A RUM
A BUD -> TRI
A RUM S A UKR -> SEV
A UKR -> SEV
F BUL hold
A SER S F BUL
F ALB -> GRE
England (Stapel)
F (Sweden) holds
A (Picardy) - Belgium
F (English Channel) supports A (Picardy) - Belgium
F (Mid Atlantic Ocean) - Portugal
Now, I am 99% sure Picardy is near Belgium, and Gascony is near Spain. If not, please edit Picardy to Gascony.
France (Grs)
A Brest Supports A Paris - Picardy
A Gascony Supports F Spain(sc)
F Marseilles Supports F Spain(sc)
A Paris - Picardy
F Spain(sc) Supports F Marseilles
Germany (Krys)
F BAL - DEN
F DEN - NTH
F HOL S A BEL
A BEL S A PAR - PIC
A BUR S F MAR
A LVN - MOS
A WAR S A LVN - MOS
Italy (Anarres)
F Gulf of Lyon - Spain(sc)
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Venice Hold
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Gulf of Lyon - Spain(sc)
Russia (Erikk)
F Gulf of Bothnia Supports F Sweden
A Moscow - St Petersburg
F Sevastopol Hold
Turkey (Barbu)
A Armenia Supports F Sevastopol
F Black Sea - Constantinople
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
Socrates
25-12-2004, 01:08
Before I read the orders (I always read them as I reformat them in the results thread, so as to keep the pleasure of discovery for a little time ;) ), I'd like to comment on what Stapel said. It's Christmas, I'm coming from a dinner with family and it was good, so I don't feel the need to be annoying.
As always, I'm shocked (in the 1st sense, meaning I'm surprised) by what you said, Stapel. "Infamous use of words" ? I'd like it very much if you explained me what you really mean, without any "langue de bois", instead of keeping this for yourself, all the more as we almost have "daily contact". ;) That's what I asked to Killer 6 months ago, and it worked (meaning I understood what was wrong). So, thanks for telling me you don't read me entirely anymore, at least we're moving forward...
The reasons why I didn't tell you about it on MSN (in random order) :
- I didn't have much contact with you this week ;
- I post it at CDZ ;), that way I didn't have to repeat it to everyone on MSN ;
- you can see I post a little reminder last night ;
- everyone including you agreed on my schedule proposal, so you can still forget about reading me (I'd find it annoying), but if you agree on something you didn't read properly, that's just plain wrong Stapel ! :(
I prefer to continue this discussion on MSN by the way, maybe when I'm back in 10 days ?
And DrA, my last post was not over-emotional, but this one is. ;) I really don't like it when people give no sign of something wrong and then throw everything in your face. May this be a warning for myself too (RL). :)
Now I'm gonna solve that turn...
Socrates
25-12-2004, 01:49
Little comments on the game...
Hehe, that move to Portugal was so obvious that I was scared to warn grs about it ; I did, but I couldn't tell it was 100% obvious, but... [scratch] Good that we kicked that army from Picardy, at least it's good for grs... I'm myself preparing to face more and more English fleets, damn it ! [groucho] I hope grs won't sell himself to anyone, unlike that feeble ERIKK who can't even grab Sweden with Stapel's support ! :D Russia must die quickly now, it reminds me of that scene in "Save Private Ryan", when a German soldier slowly stabs an American soldier up in a house, with the feeble American writer staring at this... [mischief]
I think it is not a good idea to comment so much on procedural issues while we are still ingame, but I am surprised that there are even two different thoughts about the late coming issue.
About the thought I was stupid to let Stapel get Portugal. If someone cares to take a look at the map, it is obvious that I could not defend both Spain and Port. Therefore in my book anarres had to attack Spain. So I could chose: trust Stapel or consider anarres a moron. I chose the very unlikely above the impossible.
On a second note, no matter which center I lose, I am dead if I lose any one of them. So it was chosing a small chance to live over a way to die slower. I have chosen right for 5 turns in a row, that is not that bad ;)
Socrates
25-12-2004, 12:29
Mmmh, grs, there was no way to counter that set of 4 moves by Stapel and anarres (if I'm not mistaken), so there is no regret to have. Your "move of the game" will be for a future game ! ;) But you can see I told you it was an obvious move for Stapel to go to Portugal, after all how would you have retaliated (since you had already been at war) ? Stapel couldn't care about losing your trust once again and just took a simple opportunity (good move, coldly executed, in the Diplo spirit ;) ). I don't know how long you can survive, I don't know if you can survive with less centers, and I don't know if you can one day fight back ; what I know is that, unlike some people here, I don't see you dead (yet). :)
On the late orders: I simply never suspected a speed-up of moves this week. I was really surprised. Maybe suggesting 2 changes in one post (the catch-up & the speed-up) was too much for my brain ;). We'll discuss on MSN later (I ma usuign my mothers laptop now, and though MSN is installed, it won't work). Since there are no retreats, all is well (I did send my build orders).
On the game:
I had one doubt about moving to Portugal, and that was using my fleet to support an attack on Brest. I more or less could be sure of getting Portugal, as, by not trying to do so in the spring, I gave GRS a tiny opportunity, above an impossibility. Hoping I wouldn't go there was indeed his only chance.
I have been doubting my arse off whether I should try to take Belgium, Brest (both with support of the English Channel Fleet), or just move that fleet to block Krys fleet in the Northsea.
Not one of these three moves could be assured, but, I realised, at least one them could be possible in hindsight. It appeared to be taking Brest.....
The funny thing is, that it is not that bad my Army in Picardie is gone, as it means an extra build.
The German betrayal has severely damaged the Italian-English relationship, but this is bound to be fixed now. Anarres only has to inform me which fleet I should support to get into Spain.
Socrates
25-12-2004, 18:14
Well, Stapel, what a very good year for you, but it was close to be a terrible one. Good gamble in Portugal, it wasn't clear if grs would defend it (from your PoV), but I was sure you would go there. Enjoy whatever you build thanks to the army annihilation, that's my Christmas present (though grs would have killed it by himself anyway, but I gave him my benediction), I gain a clearer situation on the continent but a more difficult situation in the seas. But the only thing I can express about Sweden is : [rant] !
About the builds results, I'm not sure I'll be there, since I'll be gone at 21:00 GMT (22:00 here), which is one hour after the deadline was fixed. I doubt akots will be around that time (middle of the afternoon) today, so... ERIKK can do it later if he wants.
Received 3 orders out of 4 required. One set was not received.
OK, here we go finally.
England (Stapel)
Fleet in London
Fleet in Edinburgh
Army in Liverpool
France (Grs)
Remove A Picardy
Germany (Krys)
+ F KIE
Russia (Erikk)
Remove fleet BOT
Since Krys is not there:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Stapel/20041228153914_spring 1904.JPG
117.57KB
and da save:
Download Attachment: icon_paperclip.gif 10 CDZgame3 - Spring 1904.zip (http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Stapel/2004122815363_10 CDZgame3 - Spring 1904.zip)
2.82*KB
I copied the post to the locked thread. :)
What's the deadine? Friday 7th?
What's the deadine? Friday 7th?
Socrates
02-01-2005, 10:20
Yo.
We can resume the game along the standard schedule, ie. next deadline is next Friday evening.
And, shit ! I can't edit anarres's posts where I am mod. ;)
hehe. *no one* can edit my posts. ;)
Socrates
06-01-2005, 23:57
One line for Stapel, so that it is easy for him : [lol]
The deadline is tomorrow at 20:00 GMT.
There you go. [goodjob]
Austria (DrA)
A GAL -> RUM
A UKR S A GAL -> RUM
A RUM -> BUL
F BUL -> GRE
A SER S F BUL -> GRE
F GRE -> ION
England (Stapel)
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
F English Channel Supports F London - North Sea
A Liverpool - Edinburgh
F London - North Sea
F Portugal Supports F Western Mediterranean - Spain(sc)
F Sweden - Baltic Sea
France (Grs)
A Brest Supports A Gascony
A Gascony Supports F Spain(sc)
F Marseilles Supports F Spain(sc)
F Spain(sc) Supports F Marseilles
Germany (Krys)
F DEN S F KIE - BAL
F HOL - NTH
F KIE - BAL
F NTH - NWY
A BEL H
A BUR S F MAR
A MOS S A WAR - LVN
A WAR - LVN
Italy (Anarres)
F Gulf of Lyon Supports F Western Mediterranean - Spain(sc)
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Venice - Tyrolia
F Western Mediterranean - Spain(sc)
Russia (Erikk)
F Sevastopol Hold
A St Petersburg Hold
Turkey (Barbu)
F Aegean Sea - Greece
A Armenia Supports F Sevastopol
F Constantinople - Bulgaria(sc)
Guess that is obvious, so here is my retreat order.
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
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