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Finally I've got the guts to challenge a player like Kingreno!
We are going for a scrimmage on Demigod.. yikes!
He playes the demonic Iroquois [V] while I play the benevolent Maya [blush].
Beam cooked the map, and this is my starting spot:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041019181640_startingspot.jpg
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A river, some bonus grass, wheat... looks like a nice spot for a settler factory.
I settle on the spot and the hut pops CB. There is also a cow in reach of the city!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004101918194_casa banzai founded.jpg
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I'm quite happy with CB, as there is no religious civ in the game... monopoly!
Research is set on warrior code so I can build javelins to hunt for bararian workers.
Let the party begin!
Things are moving fast!
We are now in turn 42.
My capital is a perfect 4 turn settler factory and my second city is producing expensive (30 shields!!) veteran Javelins, which Beam renamed to "Kingrenos nightmare".. nice!
My third city can become a 2 turn worker factory, but that will take some more time.
Unfortunately things are getting hairy...
First I popped my first hut in turn 35: :(
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004103095910_35 2350BC hut.jpg
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I was lucky that my warrior survived.
Two turns later the Dutch arrive at my borders.. at?! [blink]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004103010037_37 2270BC Dutch.jpg
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Followed by a Mongol scout and archer in turn 39
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004103010317_39 2190BCMongol scout archer.jpg
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What a nice neighbours I have!
Of course the next hut is evil too.. [aargh]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004103010449_40 2150BC hut.jpg
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At least this resulted in a veteran warrior followed by a succesfull destruction of that camp...
Things aren't so bad :)
It is just that the barbarians have located my cities too and I am about to lose a worker [B)]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004103010735_42 2070BC empire.jpg
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And what are all those Mongols and Dutch units doing??
I am already way behind in tech.
The Mongols and Dutch are at least Bronze, Wheel and Mysticism ahead, but they lack writing. I need 8 turns to get that, but that might drop as 2 cities are about to grow and one is about to be founded.
I'm also dead last in territory... Reno must have a nice settler factory too!
Stay tuned!
Banzai!
You have an unguarded settler is this barb bonanza?
Nice spoiler Banzai. Doesn't that barb horse mean that HBR is around and that galley that MM has
been researched?
Yeah, I have been playing civ for ages AND I seem to forget things... ;)
[crazyeye]
quote:Originally posted by Aggie
You have an unguarded settler is this barb bonanza?
It is not unguarded.. there are Dutch and Mongol troops nearby.. :)
Unless you call them barbarians... hmm..
Hey.. no risk no glory [crazyeye]
Rik Meleet
30-10-2004, 10:53
Silktown is buiding a Kingreno's Nightmare [confused] - What's that ???? A renamed jav ?? [headstab]
quote:Originally posted by ERIKK
Nice spoiler Banzai. Doesn't that barb horse mean that HBR is around and that galley that MM has
been researched?
Horseback is possible, but I hope you are wrong about MM.
There are 3 galleys.. in turn 40 - 2150 BC!
[help]
Also think Erikk is right[hmm]
Kingreno's nightmare...[lol] quite a unique unit!
This game was giving me the creeps!
Dutch and Mongol troops keep crossing my borders, I am waaaaay behind in tech, and now the Dutch are also putting cultural pressure on my cities!
We have played 72 turns now!
The expansion is going very good with Casa Banzai building settlers every 4 turns while the other cities are building warriors for escort and mp and workers.
I'm fourth in territory, first in population and first or second in mfg, gnp and production!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041120173835_72 Home sweet home.jpg
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The Inca build the Pyramids and Colossus, forcing the Dutch to cascade to Oracle and Byzantines to the Mausoleum. The Mongols got a very expensive temple :)
Techwise I am doing horrible.
2 turns before I would descover Writing both Mongols and Dutch got it. To make it worse KingReno said he got Philo first.. even before I had Writing!
I got literature first though, but decided to keep it and build the Great Library in Silktown after a temple and merging 3 workers!
Those bastard AI also researched Code of Laws 2 turns before I had it.
I was quite far behind: bronze, wheel, mysticism, philo, math, mapmaking, iron and construction (dutch started the Great Wall). Horseback too as I found out later.
After calculating that the Dutch and Mongol cities could not beat me to the Great Lib I traded Literature around with about 25 gpt and got Mapmaking, Mathematics, Wheel and Philo.
I've started a minimum research on Republic and will start building veteran charriots to upgrade to horseman. Javelins are just too expensive.
The only thing I fear now is that the large Inca capital or KingReno beat me to the Great Lib.
I do not fear the Dutch and Mongol anymore.. They are too busy with eachother :)
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041120175338_70 fools at war.jpg
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Stay tuned,
Banzai!
Kingreno and I just played two turns... look what happend:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041120203520_74 romans 2.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041120203626_74 Romans.jpg
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Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!! :D:D
Pastorius
20-11-2004, 20:45
Hm. Seemed like a nice deal. I would take it in a single player game. But it would decrease research time for the King if he has not got those already. Very good deal I think nonetheless.
It would only make it cheaper for Reno if he has contact with the Romans.
The Romans traded me Iron too.. in exchange for Literature, 15 gold and a right of passage.. lol
I'm now at tech parity with Romans and Mongols. Only the Dutch are construction ahead.
Exciting thread.:)
Good luck on TGL.
can we have a minimap on occasion, please?
As you wish :)
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041120221812_78 Minimap.jpg
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Turn 88 arrived in my mailbox, and the world changed.
[band]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041122181828_88 great lib.jpg
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[jump]
This got me Republic, Construction and Polytheism.
Kingreno was not pleased! [groucho]
Only Currency to go for the next era. The other continent discoverd Monarchy as the Hanging Gardens were build, but I do not need that.
I revolted immediately and got 7 turns of anarchy.
After that it is time to build up my army, crush the Dutch and launch my golden age.
Banzai!
Pastorius
22-11-2004, 19:30
Very nice man. So you closed the gap between the two of you then?
7 turns is a lot :(
Go crush the stupid wooden shoe wearing bastards [plasma]
Wooden shoes kick hard! ;)
I don't know how far Kingreno is in technology. He told me he revolted to Republic, so if he got that first we will probably be near tech parity. It is possible that he lacks construction though, as he missed the fact that the Great Wall was not build yet.
I think he will tell you all about it in his spoiler!
You have a beautiful map here. And rather fast tech rate as well. And TGL on turn 88 is awesome! [goodjob]
Looking cool Banzai! Any plans for suicide runs to the other continent? If KR build any tech advantage there it will be yours. ;)
Kingreno and I made a promise not to use suicide galeys.
So if there is no safe passage, I'll have to wait for the seafearing English lighthouse-powered galleys to find me.
Btw Beam.. so far my javelins did not create any slave, despite at least a dozen victories. Did you change anything else besides the name or am I just unlucky?
Lt. Killer M
23-11-2004, 11:54
banz, the barbs drew the AI units you were wondering about in the beginning
sometimes I intentionally pop a cmp on a 'sedentary' map and let the abrbs be, this draws AIs in and thus gives me contacts faster than going on my own search would allow.
Guys, I need your help!!
Kingreno is fighting his neighbours and is doing very well. He already capture the Pyramids, Colossus and Hanging gardens from the Inca.
It seems his neigbours are pretty weak.
My direct neighbour though is the top dog: The Dutch.
They are defending their cities with Swiss Mercs behind the Great Wall and are the tech leaders on my continent.
They are also putting cultural pressure on my cities.
I want to fight the Dutch soon and get rid of the pressure.
Maastricht will be my main target.. this is why:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200412718173_116 Maastricht.jpg
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The bad thing is, that it is build on a hill.
4 swiss mercs fortified in a city with walls on a hill. [cry]
How many horsemen does it take to destroy it?
I can attack with about 30 in a few turns.
Followed by 12 regular med infs (upgraded warriors) the next turn.
Should I focus on building less horses but more med infs instead?
I am leaning that way...
What do you think?
Here is a picture of my empire:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200412718323_116 Territory.jpg
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Not too bad... :)
My economy is great! I'm getting 150 gold each turn despite 64 gpt on unit costs without a golden age!
Banzai!
Socrates
07-12-2004, 20:04
As foolish as it may have seemed
The great Maya leaders sent their horses to the enemy
Now the world inherited the sole memory
Of fierce Mesoamerican warriors dying in bravery
To all willing to revive this tale
My advice which is the only thing to tell
Get some iron to upgrade your horsemen or burn in hell !!! [eek]
Yes, I agree with krys here, attacking such cities with your horses is suicide (defense 2 vs 9, it's almost like attacking infantry with your horses [eek]), the casualty rate will be so big that you'll have no armies left to defend yourself or make any progress after the first city, and they will rebuild the FP anyway. You really are in a very difficult position here, perhaps you could consider rop-raping the Dutch to burn their Great Wall?
Even then though, against swiss mercs and GA Dutch spitting out mercs, horsemen just will not do the trick I'm afraid..
An army or two and 20-30 cats will do the job but this is the hard way of doing it.
Thanks for your advice guys!
I've delayed my attack and switch production to markets and libraries.
The AI on my island seems too lazy to research (except the Dutch). The only middle-age tech I recieved so far is Feudalism.
Soon I'll pick up research again and head for cavalry.
In the mean time Kingreno killed the Inca!
This is bad news, as the Inca were once one of the largests civs.
Reno must be almost twice my size by now..
It will be difficult to win this one, but hey.. I like a challenge :)
Banzai!
After recieving hardly anything from the Library, it suddenly went crazy and offline!
Engineering and Monotheism first, followed by Chivalry, Religion and Education two turns later.
Thats all! :(
Kingreno wondered if I had made contact with the Byzantines, as they just got two techs.
That wasn't the case... apperently the Byzantines contacted the Mongols or the Dutch, traded techs and killed my Library.
Oh well.. I guest I have to do my own research sooner than expected.
A few turns later (in turn 128):
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004121222314_128 Kingreno.jpg
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Thats KingReno [B)]
And he has Caravels [blink]
Not only that.. I can trade my Worldmap too, so he has Navigation [V]
Also.. research time for Invention dropped to 3 turns, so he has that too [cry]
God knows what else he gots [help]
At least I spoiled his surprise attack! :)
We agreed on a peace treaty for 20 turns (until turn 148).
I also traded for his worldmap.
He wanted 240 gold at first, but after showing my [mad2], [guns], [slap] and [nono] we agreed on 7 gpt and 10 gold.
Lets pray!
Banzai!
Best news maybe is you got cheaper techs and 20 turns to do some catching up. Also, trade as soon as you get a new tech. Good luck!
Rik Meleet
13-12-2004, 18:25
That seemed close. Could you have stopped KingReno if he would have managed to land an undeteced force on your shores ?
To not give away any information: what force (unit type and numbers) would have been too strong for you to survive?
If he landed next to Quirigua with 12 knights from those 4 caravels, I would have lost that city.
Palenque would be save as I have about 30 troops in range of it, including some knights.
The cities in my far west were all vulnerable...
I guess I was lucky I spotted him!
We are average in military strenght by the way.
I still can't believe Kingreno sold me his worldmap for only 150 gold.
He must be very confident in taking me out soon.
I'm not complaining though :)
Now I know where to cross to his continent!
It was pretty obvious he is far ahead of me.. in territory, population, production, research.. everything.
The only way to make a chance is to launch my golden age. The sooner the better, but that would mean I would have to break a deal.
I don't like that, but desperate times ask for desperate measures.
I was very lucky though that Kingreno left me some 2-fers!
I bought Banking from the Dutch for about 80 gpt and sold that to the Mongols for Gunpowder.
The next turn the Dutch had Chemistry and the Mongols Astronomy (Dutch too), but the Dutch wanted 216 gpt for it.. no thanks.
This means Kingreno did not had it either, or it would be a lot cheaper.
That is good new.. this means he is Astronomy and Navigation ahead, but not much more.
I had some more luck a few turns later, as the Dutch had the ability to trade world maps. Also, they asked a lot less for Chemistry now.
Kingreno must have traded Navigation to the Dutch in exchange for Chemistry.
Trade time!!
Chemistry was bought for 98 gpt from the Dutch.
Chemistry + 24 gpt was enough to buy Astronomy from the Mongols.
Navigation was bought for 61 gpt from the Dutch again and sold to the Mongols for 27 gpt, getting my gold from the Mongols back.
Now I am flat broke. Taxrate at 90% and gaining 35 gpt.
I HAVE to launch my golden age now or all would be in vane.
With almost all my horses upgraded to knights and in attack position of Maastricht, I might as well do it good and attack the Dutch [mischief].
So be it (sorry Krys.. I know you will not like this).
Results:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004121801936_140 Golden Age.jpg
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[jump]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200412180210_140 Maastricht destroyed.jpg
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Say goodbye to Maastricht.
This was a hard fight!
9 knights died, 7 knights redlined [medic]! I also had to attack with 2 horses I had not upgraded yet to kill the last redlined elite Swiss Mercenary! One of the horses died, but the last one did the job...hmmm..[scratch].
There were only 3 Swiss mercs!
I'm glad I did not attack with only horses like I planned before.
I also see no reason to fight alone...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004121802521_140 alliances.jpg
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Research is set to Metallurgy due in 6 turns while I still get enough gpt for emergency rushes and upgrades.
Golden age rocks!
Banzai!
Let the shit hit the fan. Banzai!
You lost your virginity as Col says once you kill your rep, but desperate times require desperate actions. 9 lost knights also hits hard, what's that as a percentage of the total knight stack?
This minimap shows I am still way behind in territory.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200412181142_minimap.jpg
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Contact with the Byzantines will be made in about 3 turns.. I hope.
Kingreno is taking out the English without much troubles so it seems..
The peace treaty with Kingreno will expire in 6 turns. I will not have cavalry by then, so I'll try to make another peace deal.
In the mean time I have to fight defensive to avoid another big loss of knights.
With Kingreno fighting the English I do not think he can launch an all-out assault.
We'll see!
Banzai!
quote:Originally posted by Beam
Let the shit hit the fan. Banzai!
You lost your virginity as Col says once you kill your rep, but desperate times require desperate actions. 9 lost knights also hits hard, what's that as a percentage of the total knight stack?
He he.
I have to correct myself here.. it were 8 dead knights, not 9.
Still this was 50% of the stack! [xx(]
A lot of things happend in the last couple of turns.
After the fall of Maastricht I decided to grab the Dutch cities Middelburg and Breda.
Those two were seperate cities and in my back yard.
They were captured quite easily, but to capture the Dutch core with knights... [B)]
Cavalry though... they rock!
I allowed the Dutch to build Smiths in The Hague before I started my blitz..
A city every two turns... like taking candy from a baby :)
The Romans and Mongols were helping me very well by capturing 3 Dutch cities.
The Dutch were destroyed in 500 AD when I capture Eindhoven.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041230234056_500AD Dutch dead.jpg
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Quite amusing as it is Kingrenos hometown! I should have razed it! [mischief]
The Dutch cities had some wonders too, with Smith and Sun Tzu as the most important.
Kingreno though managed to build both Copernicus and Newton in Salamanca.
That is not good!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004123023563_173 old dutch land.jpg
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This is the land I captured from the Dutch, but I have to capture the Mongol land too to become as big as Kingreno..
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041230235745_173 minimap.jpg
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That is also not good.
There are other things not good either.
First we have peace with the Byzantines...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041230234544_Peace 460.jpg
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041230234649_Peace Privateer.jpg
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The next turn...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041230234734_War Privateer.jpg
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Where is my privateer??? [blink]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/20041230234828_War 470.jpg
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My god... the Byzantines used a Dromon to kill a Privateer in one of my cities... and by doing so automatically declared war!
Man.. that sucks!
Look at the deals that were terminated:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2004123023507_Peace details.jpg
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Not only that.. Kingreno can now capture my trade route by selling Saltpeter and Silks to the Byzantines, so there won't be any trading possibilities left when peace is restored.
The only positive thing is that, thanks to the war happiness, my lux tax can be dropped to 0.
Kingreno and I agreed on a peace treaty till the Modern age.
We are equal in millitary strength and it is pointless to attack now with railroads in place.
Soon Infantry will end the age of the cavalry.
Kingreno is Medicine, Electricity and Scientific Method ahead and he is building the Theory of Evolution.
I bet he has a prebuild for Hoover as well.
I am Industrialization ahead, so at least I will try to build the Suffrage.
It is going to be though.. to say the least.
Stay tuned!
Banzai!
Where did I hear this story before. Police stations maybe?
I think that harbor attack should be classified as a bug. It will only happen when the ship is the best defender in town, makes it fucked up imo.
Time for a small update!
Kingreno has build the Theory of Evolution and he had a perfectly timed prebuild for Hoover, so that one was lost as well :(
Fortunately the Univesal Suffrage was still available and in my grasp.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200511321292_suffrage.JPG
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This was in turn 189 :)
I've been thinking about a way to catch up.
I decided not to research the lower branch of the industrial age (except for Replaceable Parts) but focus on the path to Flight.
Hopefully the AI will research some of the lower branch techs.
They did research Medicine which they traded to me for The Corporation. Now I'm waiting for Scientific Method.
After that, this will come in handy:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005113213456_spy.JPG
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I will try to steal Atomic Theory and Electronics.
Kingreno is researching faster than me, so I try to guess what he is researching and research that too. This will result in a discount for me in the end --> cash I can use to steal.
So far he did not sell any techs to the AI, probably to prevent me from getting a 2-fer. This still gives me trading opportunities.
In the mean time I will buildup my millitary.
Especially Artillery to soften the defenses of my neighbours.
It's a matter of time until I have enough to get rid of the Mongols in a short fight.
Banzai!
Pffffffffffff
Look at the size of the empire I have to fight..
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005119205152_Kingreno.JPG
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Add that I am backwards... he is at least Sanitation, Scientific Method, Atomic Theory, Electronics and Mass Production ahead![V]
So.. I can sit down and relax and wait for him to invade and see my little empire go down in smokes, or makes some use of the troops I have and have some fun by attacking those bloody Mongols.
Maybe I can crawl back a little by expanding my empire.
Here we go...
Thats one.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005119205749_Almarikh1.JPG
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Thats two..
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005119205826_Ulaanbaatar2.JPG
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Thats three...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005119205856_Tsetserleg3.JPG
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Thats four....
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005119205924_Haarlem4.JPG
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And thats... oops, out of Artillery!
Well.. I only lost four cavs, so thats not bad :).
Now I am almost as big as Kingreno.. see?
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edit: cropped the picture to 85%.. apparently it was too large to upload
[blink]
[help]
The war with the Mongols is going smoothly..
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005121232624_Karakorum.JPG
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Kingreno though is obviously preparing an invasion with this:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005121232728_millitary1.JPG
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And this:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200512123280_millitary2.JPG
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So it is time for me to do some catch-up!
I've finally have enough gold to try a carefull steal, so here we go...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200512123290_steal.JPG
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Yes!
As I am already researching flight I decided to pick Mass Production.
The Byzantines had Scientific Method so we swapped :).
Now I have to wait at least 6 more turns before I can steal carefully again.
Still, the situation look grim.
I seriously doubt that this is a winning move either..
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005121233836_shakespear.JPG
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At least I will have a size 13+ city too now, and as it is my Forbidden Palace city it has low corruption too!
[mgun]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/200512221434_Mongols dood.JPG
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[groucho]
I fear that Kingreno will not wait much longer..
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005122214426_Iroq vloot.JPG
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According to my spy he has a lot more!
He has also some marines... that is not good!
Time to dig in behind the baricades.
Btw..
I thought that you get additional production when you build units during mobilization, but nothing changes when I build a Bomber. I have no troubles with Fighters though..
Strange.
[medic]
Kingreno declared war on me! Bleh!
The Byzantines were more than willing to join my side of the war, but Kingreno convinced the Romans to attack me.
In Kingrenos first attacked he used a lot of bombers and some marines to capture Eastern Harbor. The city that was originally build as a jump on his empire!
He moves a few infantry inland, but they did not got far.
After that sneak attack he launched an attack on the ex-Mongol cities Choybalsan (or something like that) and razed it! The barbarian!
His attack on Edrenet was unsuccesfull however.
Lots of sea battles occured, but his navy outnumbers me 4 to 1, so I lost almost all my ships. Still I managed to sink a carrier and a few transport. Subs rock!
However Kingreno managed to launch an unexpected attack on Quirigua, a size 12 second ring city in the north, and razed it with a marine. That hurts!
A massive attack on "2 Dye 4" was launched, but the city on my west coast hold.. for now.
20 artillery redlined a large part of his navy, but I only had 1 bomber in range of the stack. Of course it missed.
The Romans also send a stack of units into my area, but artillery make short work of them.
Finally I got my first leader!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/banzai/2005123232234_leader.JPG
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I'm afraid it is too late though.
I do wonder when Kingreno is going to launch his all-out attack...
Stay tuned!
Kingreno
27-01-2005, 16:50
Great spoiler Banzai!
And as said in my own spoiler, great game as well!
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