ERIKK - KILLER PBEM SPOILER [Archive]

ERIKK

13-04-2003, 20:34

I had a "killer" ;) trading round in turn 38:

I had marsony and alphabet and researched writing. I met Germany and Babylon (they were at war).

I gained:
- pottery, ceremonial burial, warrior code, bronze working, the wheel, iron working and mysticism.
- all contacts with the other civs.
- (only) 30 gold.

Killer probably had drained lots of the AI's. The Spanish and Koreans had nothing. Killer has bought a worker from the Germans. He met them around turn 30 (I saw it from the worker in the (German) Mil Adv screen). I bought an embassy in Berlin. They turned from annoyed to polite

From a backwards civ stuck in a corner I became the tech leader with all contacts. [crazyeye]

ERIKK

15-04-2003, 21:53

My empire in turn 49:

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ERIKK

16-04-2003, 13:02

Turn 49 (2):

Additional info about the last 15 turns:
- I bought two workers from Korea for 3 techs and some money.
- Sold a tech to Spain for their lousy (barb camp) 25 gold.
- I destroyed some barb camps and with the money I bought an Embassy in Persepolis. they are situated far north of me, across the jungle.

Map making will not be around for some time. My guess is that Killer lives east of the Germans and the Babylonians somewhere in the center of the map. Or the other way around. I am pretty isolated in some southwest corner... I can build up an army and go for the Germans when the times comes fot it.

ERIKK

21-04-2003, 18:01

turn 61:

I see Killers territory south of Seoul (Korea). I think it is his city he popped because it is in the middle of Korean cities. Meanwhile Russia (killer), Germany and Korea are at war with the Babylonians who are in the centre of the map. (I will post a map soon).

EDIT

turn 69:

I have WM and am 2 techs (MM and Philo) ahead of killer. He leads qua score as he has one city more than me. This extra city is a hut city which is now stuck between two Korean cities of which one is the new Korean capital.

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Note that I am building to the Northeast to counter the German expansion. When this is finished I will fill up the lands west of me. I am in control of 4 lux and will build a city next to the German city (near iron).

ERIKK

25-04-2003, 18:12

turns 70 - 83:

turn 79: peace Korea - Babylon
turn 80: buy a worker from the Koreans, Ai's suddenly have 2 new techs! One merc dies against barbs [mad], another one turn elite.
turn 81: peace Russia (killer) - Babylon
turn 82: Sell litrature around. Gain CoL, Poly, Math and 140 gold.
All Ai's are dry on tech and money. Only SDpain has 36 gold left.
turn 83: current status:
- 6 slaves, 1 own worker
- 4 techs ahead of killer
- latest WM + 270 gold in the pocket
- currency in 19 turns at 100%

Minmap turn 83:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ERIKK/2003425175744_map83.jpg

ERIKK

28-04-2003, 07:22

We are around turn 105 or 110 (somewhere around those numbers) and I am filling up the lands now. The last settler is almost finished. Currently I am building a massive load of workers (I already got 7 native and 8 foreign workers) and after that Temples to cover all lands. After that barracks are up. I also have lots of mercs so am not afraid of the AI's. I am on tech-par with the tech leader Persia.

Killer has been raging through the eastern lands. He has taken a bite out of Korea and took a city (former Korean) from Babylon and now he suddenly destroyed a Indian city far north of the map [eek]. He must have sent a stack of horses into that direction! I am not sure about the porpuse of this action. I guess he claims all eastern lands this way...

AFAIK Killer has not made a spoiler thread so you guys dont know it either.

Aggie

28-04-2003, 07:38

All I know is that Killer follows a pattern. He did the same in our game. Forced me to be a warmonger as well. And you know that is something I rather not do [tongue]. But he must be sacrificing his production for military. That can turn against him later in the game.

ERIKK

28-04-2003, 08:40

Yup, he is weakening the AI's and they will all hate him by now I guess. He is still leading on points (based on his early extra hut-city) so he will be the AI-target anyway. I have done some pretty good and fast peacefull expanding (nowhere early granaries or barracks).

It was merc, warrior, warrior, settler in most of the cities, giving me lots of units to take barb huts all over the map. I am strong according to the Mil. Adv. and very rich (430 gold in reserve).

Cruise

28-04-2003, 17:03

This is on emperor level?

ERIKK

28-04-2003, 17:27

yeah

ERIKK

06-05-2003, 20:56

turn 120:
killer took some cities from the Babylonians. I got two workers in the process. Carthage is a republic now! Let the growth begin!

All cities are building temples. With the 4 luxiouries they all can at least have 6 tiles worked on.

Map 120:

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ERIKK

13-05-2003, 19:46

Turn 134:

Killer offered me Feudalism for 40 gold, 1 gpt and WM (and peace for 20 turns). It was 17 turns on 10% for me, so a real good deal! ;)

Meanwhile I am preparing an attack on Germany and have build in almost all cities temples. My core cities are building/have built barracks.

I have to wait 6 turns for a ROP deal to end. I now have:
11 swords
3 mercs
1 horse
1 med inf

..and will have by then extra:
a few horses
1 med inf
1 merc

I need a FP, Killer was lucky and has one in old Korean territory real early. He is extorting the AI's all the time with short wars, taking some cities, workers and tech each time. He did it with the Koreans for the 3rd now. He attacked the Babs (2 times IIRC) and Indians before...

It is pure abuse from the AI's stupidity!!! [mad]

map turn 134:
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ERIKK

13-05-2003, 21:41

turn 138:

Next turn the attack will start. Horses are being mass produced. I will attack the Germans with 20+ units.

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ERIKK

14-05-2003, 08:31

So far the RNG has been though on me in every single PBEM game. Except in the ERIKK-AGGIE 2 game: first I lost a great deal of units but in the later war it was corrected a bit... In all other games I was very unlucky in battles.

In this war (two turns old) I lost an elite merc, a vet sword and a vet horse and two vet horse were wounded on a reguler pike and spear, of which the spear did all the damage... [mad]

Aggie

14-05-2003, 08:52

Killer has a standard playing style and likes to go for the early offense, using any means possible. On the other hand: he's honest and open about it. Plus his playing style works perfectly at emperor. Maybe next time you should choose deity to avoid him abusing the AI like that.

ERIKK

14-05-2003, 21:44

Turn 143
Move units to Leipzig. No German opposition (units) seen.

Turn 144:
Took Leipzig with no casualties. Move units to Berlin.
No German opposition seen. The Persians take Frankfurt.

Turn 145:
Move units to Berlin. Still no opposition!
Switched western cities to courthouses. I think I do
not need more units then I already have. Switched a
eastern city to FP. Just to be sure. [;]

Turn 146:
Take Berlin, lost 2 swords, 1 med inf and a horse...
2 other horses are wounded. Killed a German Great
Leader in the city! [yeah] And now have my 5th luxioury.
I spot a German settler-spear combo!

Turn 147:
Berlin is rioting while it was set on entertainers for
starvation and had 7 untis in it. My 10 nothern troops are
now stuck in it for a while. Down in the south my forces
see that Geidelberg is emptey! [eek] My horses can take it
next turn!

Turn 148:
Kill the spear in the combo and get 2 workers. Heidelberg
was size 1 sudenly and the horse took it and destroyed it :(
There is a Persian settler nearby so I guess they will take the
spot. My some nothern troop + reinforcements to Munich. Southern
troop continue southwards. Researched Chivalry.

Turn 149:
Persia takes Hamburg. Preparing an attack on Munich.
Other troops moving south.

Map turn 149:
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The German battlefields:
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ERIKK

26-05-2003, 20:29

In turn 166 Killer attacked and he was lucky with the dices :(

I reinforced the city again this time hurried walls. (The former turn I hurried mercs.) Anyway the Persians have shown up with knights so it is just a matter of time now (to hold out). If more Persians show up I am as good as dead.

For future games (mine and others): this tactic is pretty powerfull. I did it a bit in the game against Aggie (but I attacked and joined the war later so peace was already formed when I arrived). This is the tactic in it's fullest/best form...

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anarres

26-05-2003, 20:37

I think ProPain wins the prize for how to wage a war using the AI.

I think he may be able to carry on the AI wars against me forever, it probably doesn't cost very much.

Skyfish

26-05-2003, 20:52

quote:For future games (mine and others): this tactic is pretty powerfull

Which tactic do you mean when you say that ?
Killer's tactic ?

ERIKK

26-05-2003, 20:59

quote:Originally posted by Skyfish
Which tactic do you mean when you say that ?
Killer's tactic?

Tactic:
- move all your troops to the border
- declare war and get all other civs joining you (bribe)
- attack at once

The other player now has to choose where to station his troops. He cannot use all for the defense against the other human aas there are AI's at different parts of the border...

I thought I was pretty safe as:
- all civs were polite
- I had ROP's with all of them
- the AI's must have been annoyed with killer as he had allready had 6 or 7 wars with the AI's.. He kept on attacking them all the time.

Still he was able to bribe them... :(

ERIKK

28-05-2003, 11:53

The next turn:
- Killer fled to a mountain for healing.
- I killed 3 Persian units
- AI's still wont talk

Maybe I can bribe them the next turn to peace and in a war with Killer. That would be nice with all his units at my border!!!!

The FP will be created by then!!!! I am also in my GA now!!! [yeah]

ERIKK

29-05-2003, 10:21

Turn 170:
- killed more Persian units
- no leader yet
- running 414 gpt on 10% research
- killer is still on his mountaintop
- AI's still wont talk

ERIKK

02-06-2003, 19:05

Turn 172:
- I took out Killers forces, killing his army and 5 knights.
He has 3 1hp and 1 4hp Knights left
- I made peace deals:
Persia 42 gpt getting Gunpowder :)
Spain 29 gpt getting Theology :)
India 4 gpt
(I needed that peace with a bunch of Persian units and 6 Spanish
knights at my borders) [eek]
- I also turned the AI's (who are underway to me) against Killer:
Persia 22 gpt
Spain 11 gpt
India 4 gpt

Now I hope that the AI's can do so damage to Killer!

ERIKK

05-06-2003, 18:38

DAMAGE REPORT

So far the MA-boomerang (TM with Aggie) gamble did its work.
I talked to Killer and this might by an all war game until the end!
[eek] As you can read above in my earlier posts I was hoping that
once the AI war machine really got working and they all had units
underway to me, they could be lethal! And they did it!

Turn 172:
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Turn 177
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Killer took 1 desert city from the Spanish and destroyed the Indian
city of Bengal. He lost two of his former Babylonian cities of with
in 1 he rushed a cultural improvement. The Indians built a new city
to Killers far right. My guess is that the AI's will now move towards
Logrono, Ur and Ashtrakan. There they will meet Killers main forces.
He told me he would make a stand over there. So far Killer has lost
much troops, he says. We do not know how much he is exaggerating on
this.

I want your advice an this. If Killer signs peace and is not able to
turn the AI's around again, should bride them in the war again? Or is
this not moral (I would drive him mad maybe...)?

anarres

05-06-2003, 19:15

ERIKK, unless you agreed not to get MA's repeatedly it is fine. ;)

Aggie

05-06-2003, 20:21

I agree with anarres. It's perfectly legit to turn the AI against him a second time. I'm sure that he will expect it. Although he may act surprised.

ERIKK

08-06-2003, 22:31

Turn 185:

At this very moment I have 15 cavalry waiting to ship in. I have 2 galley and building 3 more. 4 turns to Astronmy and 4 turns to end of cease fire. Maybe I can attack in 6 or 7 turns! I guess that Killers troops are still in the north. Killer has not even have gunpowder and education.

I am building cav's and muskets en masse...

Aggie

08-06-2003, 22:37

Sounds great! Is Killer bluffing then?

ERIKK

08-06-2003, 22:52

turn 186:

Got astronomy from the Indians! In turn 190 he will face a big suprise. I have for caravels the next turn and some more in 190! I will have muskets and cavs defending the border!

I do not know what Killer wants. He has no ROP with the Persians but he does have peace. He will probably set them up against me but I do not fear them. The Persians are also at wat with the Spanish and Indians.

ERIKK

09-06-2003, 20:13

Turn 190:

Killer is at peace with all AI's now. Only the Spanish and
Indians are fighting and Killer and me are at war. No sign of
Killers troops at my border yet. I am strong compared to him.

I am not sure if we agreed to stop MA abuse from now on. I am
still building cavalry. If the invasion fails I attack the Persians
and meet Killer in Persia. In any case I have to use my cavalry
before he and the AI's can!

This is the map and my units at this point:
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I consider this is his new plan for the next turns...
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He might have parked half of his units near Persia to counter me and
the rest near the Indian border. Not sure and I dont care, If he decides
to attack me I will be waiting for him with cav's and muskets. Killer
still lacks Metallurgy and Education.

In two turns he will see my fleet, in the 3rd turn I will be able land
on a number of positions near Moscow. So, in turn 194 I hope to start
the action! [soldier]
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The fleet consists of 6 caravels with 14 cavs and 4 muskets!

anarres

10-06-2003, 10:59

Well, what advice you looking for?

You can still get MA's so go for it, be the first agressor this time...

ERIKK

10-06-2003, 11:09

I just need some feedback on my strategies! :)

I guess war vs. Persia wont be an issue. I think Killer needs it to have a free hand in India.
Therefore I must be against MA abuse. If Killer attacks India and is not at my borders I will sent
me cavs to him to keep the pressure on him over there (next to the pressure on his hometowns [evil] )

Taurendil

10-06-2003, 13:18

I say return the favor. Get all the AI's to attack him from the north just as you land in the south. By the time he is able to get peace with the AI's again you should have done some real damage.

anarres

10-06-2003, 13:38

Even better, get the attack in the north a couple of turns before you attack in the south. As long as he hasn't got rails you stand a good chance of catching him unguarded.

I would put money on Killer leaving zero defenses in his southern land if he has a war in the north and he doesn't expect an attack from the south.

You could even attack with a few units in the north when you get the MA's to make him think you are going for it in earnest.

Also, why not pay the Persians to attack him too? Best to go all out on him rather than take the AI on yourself too.

ERIKK

10-06-2003, 13:40

We made an agreement: http://danwilliamson.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=222&whichpage=2

All is going according to plan, he seems to be preparing for an attack on India and if
he is decieving me with India bullshit, he must be planning an attack on me. Both are in favour
of me as he has his troops away from his homelands...

I think I will be able to withstand a new attack on my towns with my cavs and muskets! [evil]

ERIKK

10-06-2003, 18:35

More diplo!

Henry zegt:
hehe, and it will stay that way. You made me *very* suspicious during our talk today..... I will need some time to think about our game
ERIKK zegt:
huh
ERIKK zegt:
what did I say?
ERIKK zegt:
I made up my plans yes
Henry zegt:
read it again
ERIKK zegt:
you too Iassume
Henry zegt:
yes, but readin what you posted in the thread again made some antennas twitch.....
ERIKK zegt:
hehe
ERIKK zegt:
cool!
ERIKK zegt:
no MA's
ERIKK zegt:
that is what I want..
Henry zegt:
let me say this: I *really* need the money now that I lost rushing these units that keeled over dead....
Henry zegt:
and that I want
ERIKK zegt:
sure you need more units
ERIKK zegt:
i am strong compared to you!!!
Henry zegt:
nope
ERIKK zegt:
I assume we will soon meet
ERIKK zegt:
either you at my border or me at your border
Henry zegt:
same antenna again, different frquency......
ERIKK zegt:
if I attack the persians we will be neighboutrs within a few turns
ERIKK zegt:
a clash is inevitable
Henry zegt:
well....
ERIKK zegt:
I wont let you take over the Indians and do nothing you know that
Henry zegt:
LOL
ERIKK zegt:
war is inevitale
ERIKK zegt:
(you will grow to big for me)
Henry zegt:
you grew too big for me right now.....
Henry zegt:
those fucking elephants
ERIKK zegt:
we both have warplans
Henry zegt:
indeed
ERIKK zegt:
we are just waiting for each other
ERIKK zegt:
to move
Henry zegt:
are we?
Henry zegt:
you assume a lot
ERIKK zegt:
I was waiting on the Ma deal too of course
ERIKK zegt:
I will go read again what I said to you
ERIKK zegt:
I am curious now
Henry zegt:
I think we both underestimate each other
ERIKK zegt:
oh
ERIKK zegt:
I think that I am stronger for the first time in this game
ERIKK zegt:
the F3 supports that
Henry zegt:
understimate(d ) it was supposed to be

ERIKK

13-06-2003, 18:20

I mobilized my troops anmd send them to the front!

The northern front: 13 cavs

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The southeastern front: 14 cavs 4 muskets

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Too bad Killer was waiting for me... :( But lets see what happens! :)