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Shabbaman
23-07-2004, 10:11
Dell indicated that his squad might be too large, so I offered him some help. Your help is appreciated as well!
Your 22 players
Alex Brown
TSI = 590 (39 333 £) , 27 years, weak form
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: inadequate
Amos Charles
TSI = 1 510 (100 667 £) , 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Head]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: excellent
Winger: poor Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: inadequate
Brandon Mason
TSI = 430 (28 667 £) , 31 years, passable form
Has inadequate experience and solid leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: disastrous
Winger: inadequate Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous
Cecil Devlin
TSI = 1 580 (105 333 £) , 23 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities [Quick]
Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: wretched
Cheran Singh
TSI = 330 (22 000 £) , 29 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: wretched
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched
George Crook
TSI = 260 (17 333 £) , 25 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: weak
Gordon Terrett
TSI = 20 (1 333 £) , 27 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable
Homer Coakley
TSI = 510 (34 000 £) , 29 years, passable form
Has weak experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Howard Ashton
TSI = 470 (31 333 £) , 22 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: weak
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: passable
Ian Kavooris
TSI = 150 (10 000 £) , 25 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: disastrous Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: inadequate
Jon Edwards
TSI = 540 (36 000 £) , 19 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor
Louis Lambert
TSI = 450 (30 000 £) , 19 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: weak
Michael Bodhie
TSI = 40 (2 667 £) , 25 years, wretched form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]
Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: passable
Nils-Petter Nilsson
TSI = 790 (52 667 £) , 21 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities
Stamina: passable Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: inadequate
Patrick Johnson
TSI = 40 (2 667 £) , 30 years, poor form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: wretched
Winger: weak Defending: wretched
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: inadequate
Peter Howson
TSI = 430 (28 667 £) , 24 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]
Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: wretched
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: passable
Quintin Mika
TSI = 610 (40 667 £) , 28 years, passable form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: solid Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched
Richard Budd
TSI = 610 (40 667 £) , 25 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: passable
Robert Falkiner
TSI = 40 (2 667 £) , 32 years, poor form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: disastrous
Winger: weak Defending: disastrous
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor
Stuart Pearce
TSI = 60 (4 000 £) , 26 years, wretched form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: wretched
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: passable
Tommy Tunna
TSI = 470 (31 333 £) , 26 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: disastrous
Tony Stone
TSI = 0 (0 £) , 35 years, weak form
Has inadequate experience and weak leadership abilities
Stamina: disastrous Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor
P.S. Dell, it might be helpful if you tell us what your regular players are.
P.P.S. Anarres, we want thread splitting!
The current line up:
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How much casg available?
What do you train? What kind of trainer do u have?
Shabbaman
24-07-2004, 11:39
You got 22 players, including your coach. I think you could fire some of the old ones, but you can't really fire more since you wouldn't have enough players left to play friendlies.
How many specialists and what kind have you hired?
What are you training?
Where did all your money go? :(
The only way to get back up is to sell players that just got better in skill.
I have an idea, but it's a long term investment, but this way you'll be guaranteed a stable future growth. Yndy is doing the same i think.
You need to get young players (strikers) which you will train up and then sell for money.
1. Put Amos Charles on the TL with a minimum of 250k and wait for ppl to bite.
2. get a passable coach with poor leadership.
3. Buy 6 17 year olds with either inadeq. scoring + passable/solid pass. or passable scoring. Don't pay more than 30-40k each. And put training on scoring of course [crazyeye]
4. hire a few fysiotherapists.
5. Play 3-4-3 every match, so all 6 trainees will play.
6. When a player has increased in skill you can either keep him to train him to the next level, or you can sell him so you can buy a new trainee + addition to your squad.
First thing i would look for is a passable/solid midfielder with excellent stamina.
Last season i started training midfielders and next week i will have about 3 on formidable. The cash you can get from selling them is absolutely insane.
Shabbaman
25-07-2004, 13:10
That's pretty much my game plan. If you get trainees that cheap you're pretty lucky, but it's possible.
If you have a passable coach, you need either 3 or 7 assistant coaches for resp. 1 or 2 weeks faster training.
Going to try and sell Amos Charles then...
Heres a new player:
Chris Detta (37830931)
19 years, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities.
Speciality: Powerful
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 210 (14 000 £)
Wage: 345 £/week
Owner: Wartham United
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor
Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0
My observations (not really an expert though :))
- Your stamina is very low. That will affect your midfield. Training stamina for 2/3 weeks will raise most players stamina for 2 to 3 levels also. However it will also decrease your form, so it's a good end of season training: bad form -> less salary
- Amos Charles, train or sell. You have 2 more solid PM (albeit oldies)
- Gordon Terret, Howard Ashton, Ian Kavooris, Michael Bodhie, Patrick Johnston, Stuart Pearce
: they are all fireable imo. It depends on how you prefer to play. If you don't mind to use some regular player in your training games it's no problem. It has a pro and a con. Pro: more experience. Con: higher injurie risk ( last season my top forward got injured for 5 weeks (thanks again KingReno!))
- get some trainees. Nothing results in more cash-flow than selling trainees.
Listing all your players I see you have 7 forwards (Brown, Devlin, Coackley, Howson, Falkiner, Pearce, Tunna), 5 playmakers (Charles – for sale, Mason, Singh, Crook, Bodhie) most of them needing stamina, 2 defenders (Edwards, Budd), 2 wingers (Lambert, Mika), 1 lousy keeper (Nilsson) and 4 fireable players (Terret, Ashton, Kavooris, Johnson).
Mason would make a decent coach if he gets to passable experience
You need to take some one-time measures to get in a better shape.
One important issue is that you lack stamina. Without stamina you can’t use your midfielders properly. Stamina trains easy even with a lousy coach (which you have) and with old trainees (you have them too). You now have two options:
-train stamina or
-sell the rest of the playmakers with lousy stamina (Singh, Crook) and buy 2 inadequate playmakers with solid or better stamina at maximum EUR10k each. ( my advice)
If you sell there are additional risks that you might not get the true worth of the players as many similar players are on the market.
If you decide on training stamina you need to maximize your proceeds by trading. So you should buy like 20 passable playmakers with weak or inadequate stamina and pay no more than EUR5k for each. In 4-6 weeks, you will sell each of them for at least EUR20k (after 20% sales commission). The problem is that the form of your squad will be terrible. You will also risk bankruptcy during the period and you need to spend a lot of time on the transfer market to find cheap players for the training.
The second issue is that you have several forwards, many with good passing ability. Since you got the players with your team, their skill is on average mid level so by training them scoring, most of them will pop to the next level in 5-7 weeks. You have two options:
- sell 4 of them (Brown, Devlin, Coackley, Howson) and get some good money on them or,
- sell Falkiner and train scoring playing the other 6 (play 3-4-3 formation). Sell each of them as he pops to a higher level and recruit a passable coach with poor leadership (alternatively, wait until Mason’s experience raises to passable and then make him your coach). After you got a passable coach, use the money from selling your forwards to buy young 18yo passable forwards. (my advice)
Let me know what do you think about this and if you see any problems.
You will not get any decent results in HT until you finish the short term training program. When you get to the end of it you should have either a decent bunch of scoring trainees or some cash to start another training program.
Hmmm I guess I'm still in a footiemanager frame of mind where the main job was picking the team...
As I understand it the two issues probably conflict because I can't train stamina and shooting unless I take PPs advice and train stamina for a couple of weeks and then start on shooting. I might try selling Falkiner but I'm not sure how much I should ask for him though and then train shooting after the 2 weeks of stamina training.
I'm not too worried about where I finish this season since I was on holiday for two weeks and lost a couple of games against teams that I might have won. Next game is against the team that will almost certainly go up this season.
Also after playing a home game I will now lose 5k this week unless I get some extra revenue from the friendly game.
I think I will sack Ashton and Johnson for now.
I think the idea of a short burst of stamina training and then training shooting is most appealing for me as at the moment I'm not really confident about buying and selling players at the correct price levels and the risk of bankrupcy is kind of worrying...
Thanks for all your time btw.
Shabbaman
26-07-2004, 10:26
The best time to train stamina is between the seasons. Don't train on stamina right away. Training on stamina lowers the form of your players, so you couldn't really make good use of them anyway. Start on training on scoring (not shooting!), I'd say.
Cruise hinted to list Amos Charles with a minimum of 250k euros (really, who cares how much that'd be in pounds ;) ), that's a good idea. You want the big cash, and eventually someone will show up who'll pay it. Just make sure that you put him on the transfer list after dinner time, 19.00 or 20.00 or so.
If you want to sell other players (now or in the future), the bidding system works pretty good so you could list players without a starting price.
Two more things:
1. What is the size of your stadium? Please say you did built a larger one...
2. What specialists did you hire? It's probably a good idea to hire a couple of spokesmen.
Shabbaman
26-07-2004, 10:28
Another thing, did you read the Platypus guide (http://www.hottrick.org/Sections+index-req-viewarticle-artid-1-page-1.html)? If not, please do.
Shabbaman
26-07-2004, 10:29
P.S. Hurray for the double and triple posting ;)
The stadium (Didn't actually upgrade it correctly...)
Total capacity: 13000
Terraces: 8000
Basic seating: 5000
Seats under roof: 0
Seats in VIP boxes: 0
And the assistant people:
Youth Squad: solid
Investment in the Youth squad: 13 333 £ / week
Goaltending Coaches: 0
Assistant Coaches: 3
Sport Psychologists: 0
Spokepersons: 0
Economists: 0
Physiotherapists: 2
Doctors: 0
Should I sign a spokesperson then? And I pretended that 250k was meant to be in £ so he might be a little overpriced...
Shabbaman
26-07-2004, 17:10
Spokespersons (probably girls in very short dresses) do wonders for your supporters and sponsors. Just hire two or so, they'll definately make up for that.
You sure did screw up your stadium ;) But hey, at least you have one. But it's something that could definately be improved. And your youth squad is solid already, so not all's lost. Take another look at Yndy's suggestions, he knows what he's talking about.
Are you using a hattrick tool for line-ups and such? Try hattrick organizer (http://www.hattrickorganizer.de) (which I'm using) or hattrick buddy (next time you're upgrading your stadium ;) )
Well I don't have the cash anymore to upgrade my stadium, I found out about those tools about half way through the construction... Hiring another spokesperson then.
Looks like I might have soon though since someone just placed a £250,000 bid for Amos Charles.
Shabbaman
26-07-2004, 21:46
Ka-ching!!!
You put him up with a 250k pound instead of euro minimum? Good choice, apparently...
I was going to suggest that they might have converted all the currencies so that only the sign differed rather than the value but looking at similar transfers, all the other players are going for between 100k -150k. I hope the transfer actually goes through...
Shabbaman
27-07-2004, 08:18
If someone has placed a bid, it can't be reverted. Unless he gets banned or something.
Not even then... the team will still be there for at least 7 weeks. :)
Shabbaman
27-07-2004, 10:29
So, now we can start talking about what we want to spend Dell's money on ;)
And I have quite a bit of money to spend now... I think I might upgrade my stadium a bit to the optimum level. In the end Amos Charles went for 330 460 £ :)
And I have quite a bit of money to spend now... I think I might upgrade my stadium a bit to the optimum level. In the end Amos Charles went for 330 460 £ :)
That sure is a lot of money![crazyeye]
I would really like to suggest to put all that money into long term investments. Stadium is nice, but i'd still go for trainees and a passable coach.
I think I might sign a new coach at the end of the week but currently I can't afford to hire an external coach because I don't ave enough money...
Shabbaman
28-07-2004, 18:04
A passable coach is only 79k euros. Make sure you don't buy the wrong coach! Don't waste your money on leadership, but go for the highest skill. And Cruise is right, you need one or two trainees.
The problem is that the cash from the transfer doesn't actually go through until the end of the week and the 50k that it would cost me, just pushes me over the loan limit.
Shabbaman
28-07-2004, 19:35
Eh, really? I was on that limit (-200k euro), sold a player and spent it (not all ;) ) on the same day...
Maybe it was the same day that the finances update?
Shabbaman
28-07-2004, 21:30
No.
A new youth pull:
Dhamadhipa Singh (38918527)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is fiery and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 090
Wage: 585 £/week
Owner: Wartham United
Warnings: 0
Stamina: inadequate Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: wretched
Winger: solid Defending: wretched
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate
Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0
Gooooooooooooood !
So young and so good.
Shabbaman
14-08-2004, 09:49
Better lucky than good, isn't it dell? ;)
I guess early youth development can really pay off :) Oh and I would like to point out that the two pulls inbetween weren't that great...
A question on formations:
Is it okay to play 3-5-2 for normal matches and then play 3-4-3 for friendlies or does this reduce the level of experience of playing the first formation?
Goalkeepers taking corners?
Is it okay to have a goalkeeper taking set pieces and then end up taking corners? I shouldn't really complain since we scored from it but it does seem a bit odd...
It's OK for both your questions. You can keep even three playable formations by rotating them all the time but since it's difficult and you become predictible doing that it is advisable that you keep only 2 playable formations plus the 4-4-2 which is always at excellent.
Anyone can be the set pieces guy and if the goalie would miss his corner he'd run for his life and still be protecting his net for the following attack.
Cecil Devlin (29532529)
24 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities.
Speciality: Quick
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 510
Wage: 600 £/week
Owner: Wartham United
Warnings: 0
Stamina: excellent Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: inadequate
Winger: passable Defending: weak
Scoring: excellent Set Pieces: poor
Career Goals: 31
Career Hattricks: 5
League goals this season: 9
Cup goals this season: 3
With the team lying in second but unlikely to now win promotion I am not sure whether I should try selling my best striker to replace him with a decent youth player or to keep him. I'm tending towards keeping him but this might be the best opportunity that I have to raise some extra funds to buy some solid trainees who might advance to excellent before the start of the next season. Any thoughts?
Also what could I expect to receive for him?
I'll have him for 50k ;)
But I guess you should be able to get at least 300k
I think I might try bidding for a few solid strikers tonight and then if I manage to get a decent youth replacement then I will try to sell him since I am currently clear from debt so it makes sense to try and get a decent replacement before actually selling him and it also gives me some time to analyse just how costly solid youth players are.
Two more player sales raised another 30 000 which puts me in an interesting situation with 162 000 in the bank. I'm not sure what to do:
1) Keep it till the end of the season where I could use it to upgrade my stadium whilst prices are still low and also get a solid coach since I should get other cash as well.
2) The other alternative is to buy a better 17 year old trainee and sell one of my 18 year old trainees instead. But this would rely on there being a decent youth player on the market that doesn't go for too much money. Potentially I'm looking at shooting and passing both at passable.
The other consideration is that I do have an excellent youth academy so it may not be the best idea to rush out and buy a new trainee now when I might get lucky with a youth pull.
English_brit
07-12-2004, 20:40
Up to you but I never include any "possible" youth pulls in my future planning for my team. Anything I pull is a bonus and if I can afford to buy a trainee while still keeping the right results on the pitch I will. Too risky hoping to pull a player. I've been on excellent for over a season and most are *"^£.
Just always think long term and focus on what will make you the most money in the long run. Buying a new trainee with better secondaries may hurt ur team in the short term but will have far better returns in the long run.
Try to buy the trainee at a time when it'll have as small an impact on your results on the pitch therefore not negatively affecting your income thru the turnstiles so much.
If you have a smaller arena it's less of a consideration so think how it'll affect all revenues both short term and long term.
My arena is quite big but thinking long term it would make a lot of sense to expand it by about 7000 before the prices double since at the moment on a good run I might fill it. I think I will try to sign a 17 year old since my current trainees are mostly 18.
English_brit
07-12-2004, 20:57
Nothing wrong with traning 18 year olds for a bit if they have good secondaries unless they're that bad.
I normally look to sell them at 19 or 20. If they have bad secondaries try clearing them out sooner rather than later. If a player has good secondaries it will magnify his value with each level he gains. So as important as possible to get good secondaries and specialities on trainees asap.
What is a good secondary?
Is
(17 year old)
Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: weak
a lot better than?
(18 year old)
Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor
English_brit
07-12-2004, 21:15
A good secondary(s) depends on the position they play. For strikers it's passing.
quote:Forwards' passing skill only improves your central attack ratings. Having scorers with high passing is yet another reason to consider AIM. Also, passing is underpriced. If I had to, I'd value it two times less than scoring, but you would certainly pay less for a guy with passable scoring/passable passing then for solid scoring/weak passing.
taken from the Plattypus guide www.hottrick.org
As it adds to your central attack rating good passing is effectively like having a higher skilled striker. As it's important to the position it's classed as a secondary.
In answer to your question the 17 year old is slightly, although not much better than the 18 year old and obviously will train a little faster although 18 is not too old to be training a player. Just need to weigh up the cost of buying a new player against training ur existing one.
Do a search for some strikers with good and bad passing at the same skill levels and you'll see a marked increase for the ones with good passing. With each level they train the difference in price is magnified due to it, showing the importance of good passing.
Also make sure they have good specialities and temperament if possible as this will all add on to the price.
I've noticed the difference between passable and inadequae passing is already quite a big jump. Looks like I would be paying at least 100k which makes me wonder whether I should just stick with my present trainee lineup but then what should I use the money on? I currently have a passable coach and the other option would be to bring in a solid coach although in some respects I think it owuld be a good idea to wait a while so that I get the best value out of my investment in the passable coach.
See money is evil! :p
English_brit
07-12-2004, 22:10
I disagree. Your main earner is your training regime, that'll make u the most money over the long run. It's important to get a solid coach and the full compliment of trainers either 9 and 1 or 8 and 2 etc asap.
Main thing is to get the solid coach asap. Ok, you won't be able to get one with good leadership at first but the hit on TS is not as important as ensuring your trainees are improving as quickly as they can.
A solid coach with poor leadership would cost just under £180k. I'd be looking to raise that cash asap.
Then when ur trainings going well ur results will be improved, can then expand the stadium and so on.
Then when u want a solid coach with better leadership look to train a player up with passable leadership and inad experience etc. Should only take a couple of seasons and then spend the 500k or so to get a solid coach with good leadership.
Always think training first, TS 2nd.
I remember when I realised my mistake in getting a passable coach with good leadership. I was worried about the hit on TS, but it wasn't as bad as I expected when I got a solid\poor coach and the extra training speed soon pays off.
I have the 9 and 1 assistants already. Basically if I was to go for a solid coach now, it would put me -20k in the red but then my next two games are away matches so I would be running low on cash to perhaps -50k after the next two weeks before I had a home game to bring some cash in again.
English_brit
07-12-2004, 22:34
Going in to debt isn't a problem as long as it's a controlled debt. If you know your team is making enough money to pull you out of the debt before it gets out of control then I'd go for it.
Ok thanks for the advice. I've decided to go for the solid coach which should leave me at -55k before my next home game but that will bring in some cash and from then on my fixtures are away, home, away so I shouldn't go too much further in to debt and then some cash should come in during the off season and hopefully my trainees will be closer to being sold.
English_brit
07-12-2004, 23:25
Np's. Good luck with it. :)
I agree with English_brit, the coach is the best option. I'd rather not sell 18 years old players with skills below formidable because I would give up exactly the part of training where I start to get real money. Real money from training is from excellent and formidable upwards. The increase from passable to solid and solid to excellent is relatively small.
English_brit
08-12-2004, 17:26
Defo.
What to do...
Series: VI.647 (7250)
Country: England
Level: 6 out of 6
Team Played Goals Points
1. Worcester Eagles 11 64 - 12 33
2. Wartham United 11 48 - 31 20
3. R13 UNDERGROUND 11 35 - 31 17
4. bedwardios FC 11 22 - 19 17
5. Power_House 11 22 - 28 17
6. shawmilssbarmyarmy 11 36 - 28 16
7. clement danes 11 8 - 49 6
8. Ronaldo's Ruiners 11 12 - 49 1
2 weeks ago we were heading for second after the other teams slipped up but then we slipped up and gave the 8th placed team their only point. Then we lost to the league leaders which was expected but then another 4-4 draw when we should have won at home to R13 has left us no longer certain.
Our remaining fixtures see away games against Bedwardios and Power house with a home game in between against SMBA. Now I would have thought we could win the home game but I am no longer sure... I know it doesn't matter much but I was hoping to get some results in these games so that next season I could be more confident of promotion however if I cannot even win at home this goal being achieved becomes less likely even ignoring the possibility of a strong team demoting into my league.
Any hints on what I did wrong in my last match since it is actually bugging me quite a lot. Simply because I expected to win and the team stats suggest that I should have won comfortably but somehow it all went wrong.
English_brit
27-12-2004, 13:45
I had a look at the game. I don't think you should have easily won it although I would have expected you to win the game if I was making a prediction beforehand.
Both your midfields are very similiar although yours has worse stamina as shown by the drop in your posession rate in the 2nd half. I think it was the gain in posession he made during the 2nd half that let him get back level although I do think he got a bit lucky as your attack relative to his defence was a fair bit better than what his was to yours.
Also bear in mind he'd just come off the back of two straight wins before the game whereas you had drawn one and lost one previously. Therefore it's a good guess that he had higher confidence than your team which would explain why his attackers perfomed better relatively.
I think the difference in confidence along with better stamina enabled him to get a result.
I've now gone on a string of results that have seen me fail to win any of my last 9 matches. I would like to win the next game against SMBA to end this run and I am wondering whether to MOTS or not?
We have a couple of players back from suspension or injury (Our second best defender and best inner midfielder)
Our best striker is suspended
HAM suggests that after adjusting the sliders to match the rating from the last competitive game we should get a Hatstats rating of 113. Realistically we should get at least a rating of 106 like last week with a wretched(low) midfield.
Their manager hasn't logged in since early December but still get ratings of 90+
It should be a win but the game against R13 was similar and we failed to win then whilst we need to win this game so thats why I am thinking we should MOTS the game. Our defence is still dismal and our midfield will be at most be a level better. I want to win this game so that I can avoid dropping from 2nd to 5th.
English_brit
05-01-2005, 18:35
You were unlucky in the other game. If you think you should win I wouldn't MOTS it. Your call though.
At least £150 000 for a solid winger/striker with wretched passing. Not bad and now I can afford a stadium upgrade a possibly a couple of player purchases during the off season. :)
wow, and to think that I saw a formidable winger/poor passing go for 88K (euros!) just 1 hour ago... excellent news Dell. :)
And to think I was happy with 150k...
The bidding has just finished at 276 000 £ by En la bara
For:
Dhamadhipa Singh (38918527)
19 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is fiery and honest.
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
Nationality: England
Total Skill Index (TSI): 3 390
Wage: 600 £/week
Owner: Wartham United
Warnings: 1
Stamina: solid Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: wretched
Winger: solid Defending: wretched
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: inadequate
edit:
Spent 40k on a winger replacement who actually has a higher rating. :) Now I have 189k left which will probably go on a stadium upgrade and a playmaker.
May be because he is having a lot of TSI? And can be used as a decent universal replacement of injured players or just to cover empty spot almost in every position (winger, forward, even midfield as a last resort)?
My new plan:
1) No longer expect to win unless it really is guarenteed.
2) To try and stop comparing hatstats as much.
3) Ignore my performances next season since there is nothing to gain from trying to win games.
4) Keep my best trainee for this season and the next until he reaches World Class at 20.
5) Sell my next three trainees as soon as they hit Formidable and get trainees with at least passable passing.
6) If I get two new trainees with passable passing sell my solid passing trainee when he hits excellent late next season.
7) Keep the 17 year old who is currently at high passable for the foreseeable future.
8) Train 1 week of stamina and then either another week or change to passing or do 2 weeks and then 1 during the offseason and first week. Depending on whether my IMs with low stamina both pop.
9) Consider playing normal friendlies rather than cup games if league results are demoralising. The double dosage just doesn't help.
To achieve part 1, heres the league table that I will compare my results to:
Sutton Reds 42
Bedwardios 34
Power 26
R13 23
Wartham 19
Ronaldo 12
SMBA 7
Clement 0
The last pop of the season takes me into the offseason with what I expected a few weeks ago.
18 year old excellent
18 year old solid x 3
17 year old solid
18 year old Passable
are you training PM? And are the ages before the birthdays? - guess so cause your listing the 17 year old -
dump the soon to be 19 year old passable than, he's not worth the effort anymore. The others are looking great!
Training shooting
The passable has solid passing so I plan on training him for two more pops since an Excellent, solid should get some cash. I might train him to formidable, it depends whether when I sell a couple of players earlier on in the season, whether I can afford players with passable passing.
One possibility is to buy inadequate passing players and then train passing for one or two weeks every offseason and hope that players occasionally pop to get up to passable without paying such large start up costs but that depends on the midseason market.
That's what I'm trying to do and now that I really want to sell two old (20-21)players, I've been training passing for 3 weeks and the two would not pop. One has 5 weeks of passing so far, I really hope he'll pop next week.
same tactics here. My reasoning was that I'm training these guys for 40 weeks on average. Might as well put in some effort in raising there passing skill in the off season. I do have one trainee to much now, but I cannot decide on who to fire.
After the end of season money was received I decided to go to the most normal debt you can have normally so that I could get a solid keeper for £66k with a reasonable TSI. Hopefully this will help my defence slightly.
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman
And then what? Then you have no TS and your team loses horribly in the league, your supporters get pissed off and walk away? For what, a vanity in in the cup?
Heres my thought process:
The cup game is only realistically winnable if I MOTS since this should give me an edge in the midfield. In the league game Sutton Reds train playmaking so I will lose out on the midfield whatever I do and so normal with pressing might be my best hope relying on my better strike force to do the business. The following league game I can PIC at home and should still win. If I do get to the next round of the cup then I will probably PIC that game as well.
Basically the idea is that I feel this is the more winnable game and that TS would at least partially recover by the time I reach the third game of the season. You are probably right but I've managed to convince myself so we will just have to see what happens. If I do still lose in the cup then it will probably indicate that you were right.
Any comments since the game starts in 4 hours rather than now?
Well, if you do not mots the game now, and still pic the game you said you were going to pic anyway, that means that for the rest of the season you'll be playing with a higher TS = better midfield, plus the fact that you'll have more TS to fall back on later in the season to possibly Mots a more important league game, and still have somewhat of a TS left for later games.
So I'd say that, unless you are more or less certain you win the cup game with mots, pic it and profit from the higher TS in your league, especially if you think the season might be a difficult one. :)
The league is made up of quite a few active teams.
Sutton Reds are the top side and should win the division although if they dropped points then I might be able to win the division on the last week by MOTSing at home and winning somehow.
Bedwardios and the team who doesn't train but have a team similar to my current team, not sure who benefitted the most over the offseason, so the games should be close but I play him in the middle of the season so I could MOTS, PIC, PIC, MOTS with the two MOTSs being against Bedwardios.
Power House came third but they didn't really deserve to in the end. Bedwardios should have been second with me third and Power House fourth. The indication is that this will not change so its a non PIC game but should still be winnable.
R13 the other good team that might provide a challenge but I play them at home first so hopefully by the away game I should be able to win both.
The other 2 active teams. They are both new and neither have upgraded their coaches so they may be okay sides but they shouldn't be outstanding.
The main variable is whether my trainee scorers convert chances this season. At the end of last season we drew 3-3 away with Power House after missing 4 chances which was disappointing. If that continues then clearly our expectations have to be lowered.
I'm moderately confident that I can win the cup game with MOTS. The team I am playing missed out on promotion from a competitive league so they probably will not MOTS the game and they should be beatable bearing in mind that my current team hasn't got an accurate home rating to refer to after several transfers at the end of the season.
Wartham United - Bungalow FC (45 minutes played) 3 - 2
45 minutes: 3 - 2 was the half-time score. Wartham, bringing the final ball possession rate to 57 percent, dominated the battle.
Last season I routinely lost 5-7% in the second half because of stamina. Looks like being a very close game, we've hit the crossbar from a freekick as the only nonconverted chance.
Looks like Shabba was right. 3-3 then an injury to my top IM and then they took the lead.
4-5 the final score with a questionable penalty winning the game and the substituted player being the worst player for Wartham.
Shabbaman
01-02-2005, 22:53
A real pity. You got pretty close though.
Bad luck Dell, you could as easily have won it, especially with 2 of their goals coming from special events as well..
United are winning 2-4 so can't complain too much :)
:(... I had specifically not looked at any of the Premier league scores especially to watch that game on match of the day later tonight... [cry]
Sorry! I was listening to 5 live and planned to watch the highlights later, didn't realise anyone was avoiding the game.
Sorry again, the score may or may not have changed.
Ah, never mind Dell, somehow I already had a feeling Arsenal would lose again...at least Bergkamp scored a goal, that alone still makes it worth the wait for me.
Shabbaman
02-02-2005, 12:21
And what a goal it was. Superb.
In 6 and a half weeks I should have a formidable striker to sell. I could keep on training him but he has poor passing and solid SP so it makes sense to sell him soon so that I can get a bit of extra money to buy a new trainee and potentially a new player to strengthen the rest of the team. The question is where should I invest?
I think that I should go for another excellent IM but with higher passing to strenghtem my midfield a bit more. The other option would be a better defender but recent games have seemed to indicate that if I win the midfield then I don't need to concentrate too much on the midfield.
Well its 7 weeks later and we've spent £660k on two midfielders and are currently expanding the arena by 12k to 40k at the cost of £370k so it has been an expensive couple of weeks. It all looks like that last game could be very interesting as long as I avoid any expensive injuries.
Week 14: Wartham - Sutton
Any win and we clinch the title and almost certain automatic promotion since our goal difference is already pretty good. Hopefully the arena expansion will finish just in time for the match so that it can be played in front of a record crowd.
Congrats Dell, well done! :)
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