View Full Version : Anarres vs ProPain - deity head to head * spoiler*
He he...
First make sure you keep keep up with the AI's. Getting all those free settlers is not the usual on Deity level. I always get shit from huts on Deity....
I'm afraid I haven't seen any huts....BUt my starting position is magnificent. I'll post a screenie today.
Here's a screenie of my start and surroundings. I'm VERY happy with it.
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MMM, this picture SUCKS. I'll take a new shot next turn.
I have 2 cows (one under the worker,one under the star after Paris) deer (n, nw of paris) and gems (you can see those) and furs NW NW of the warrior
better screenie, but misses some land at the edges
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I met the Babs in turn 26 (2750BC) That doesnt make me happy, Hamu's far to trigger happy with those bowmen. I contact him he doesn't have alpha and pottery!!!! He has however Bronze working, cer. bur. and warrior code.
I trade him alpha and pottery for BW, CB and 10 gold
I'm pretty happy with that. Hopefully I'll meet another civ before hamu does
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look at this: apparently there's more land to the south! and a wheat in the blue circle. Good news AFAIK. I'll settle on the grass and not the plain so I can cow share if necessary. Also I'll put a warrior next to the city so hamu cant pass.
Saw your discussion with anarres in a thread. Fo4 buying iron working and horsies. If you buy it from him for so much money you will:
- help him
- cripple yourself
If really need it fast buy it form th AI, otherwise research it fast yourself.
You will need your money later in the game for upgrades/embassys/buying alliances!
I'd rather buy it from the ai but they want more money. But as I said I can also get lucky and get them techs cheap when the ai suddenly demands tribute, i refuse and they declare war. My guess is my bab neighbours will do this soon enough. So I'm looking at my options. Maybe I buy HR from the Ai and research IW. or buy it a few turns later. gonna look at my turn 1st. Gonna post some screenies b4 lunch too!
Some 1450BC pictures:
The French Empire
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200341010838_ana_1450bc_empire.jpg
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The Babylonian Empire (and a tiny bit of the German)
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/20034101097_ana_1450bc_babs.jpg
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The MiniMap
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200341010924_ana_1450bc_minimap.jpg
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The F11 screen
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200341010182_ana_1450bc_f11.jpg
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The Score
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200341010937_ana_1450bc_score.jpg
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Decided not to buy techs from Anarres. Some civ traded contact with me to the Romans and tech prices dropped a bit again. I bought HR for 5 gpt and 17 gold from the Zulus. I know they are Anarres' neighbours and that he's boxed in. I hop he will attack em and maybe destroy them before the 20 turns are over...
I'm doing quite ok on the f11 screen. I dropped to 2nd place in MFG but that's because Orleans finished a settler a turn ago. I have been first for ages. Amazes me with all those deity AI's.
I'm in doubt what course to follow myself. I can do two things:
1) attack the babs
2) build settlers and start settling the nbearby islands after the discovery of mapmaking
Dunno yet.
Looks like you can attack the Babs quite easy as there will be only a small front to cover! And the Germans might be of help in an alliance (2 front war)... :satan:
Some AI's got MM. Traded around for my map, but they traded between themselves too (or Anarres beat me to it, being the 1st player). So I got some territory maps and contact with the Persians for my WM. Turns out me, babs, germans, romans, zulus and egyptians (anarres) are all one big continent! Dunno if the Persians are there too (behind anarres maybe) cause they dont have MM. My guess is they aren't because anarres mentioned he wanted to attack the zulus because he needed they're land and the zulus are way more powerfull than the persians. I think I have to attack the babs pretty soon to keep my land size benefit and prevent anarres to grab more of our continent then me. This will be a tough one. I'll post a screenie soon when I have the ROmans map too.
Took another look and the Persians are about as powerfull (or rather weak) as the zulus. Also the zulus have a piece of land that's very easy to take. Only a few cities and all on a very narrow stretch of land. Considering the AI incapabilty of a decent attack/defence, Anarres is going to take this piece of land easily. Take a city and it comprises the whole front so it's easily defendable. grrr.
Babs are the most powerfull civ in the game (just my luck) and they're running out of land alrdy (settlers moving thru my territory). Whether I want it or not I can expect a war soon I think because I'll settle before the babs and then we;re out of land....
The year 1350 BC
blocking the bab settler
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200341695815_ana_1350bc_setblock.jpg
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The french empire
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200341695851_ana_1350bc_frenchemp.jpg
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the minimap
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I dont know how you feel about the 'moving wall' but by opening and closing a 'window' you can move the settlers back and forth. You can collect a dozen settlers on a good day then grab them all when you're ready.
It IS a bit of an exploit though.... ;)
I;m leaving a gap south of rheims to fool the comp in thinking there;s some more land to settle. This usually prevents him from declaring war. If this nets me some more settlers than that's nice fringe benefit if not, no worries either.
I plan to switch Paris to horsemen after this settler finishes. Same for Lyons and Rheims after the temples are done. All other cities are alrdy on barracks/military and that will stay that way. Time to get the babs! I'll buy IW from the zulus (as I did with more techs), hoping that that Anarres finishes them before those 20 turns are over. That will save me some money, maybe if the Zulus manage to become a monarchy b4 the war it will even help them to buy troops and put up some stiff resistence (but I think that's idle hope)
bought Mapmaking from anarres for 80 gold total. About 30% of ai price so that's not to bad. I plan to build a galley and a harbor in paris after the next horsemen. the land south of france might reveal the iroquois who are tsill missing and a harbor might net me some cash for lux. Worth the 80 gold gamble .
Don't the AI go around with a galley to settle over there. ;)
They will eventually, but i was hoping I would beat them to the spots. And I did :)
Lucky Break!
Finally I got the lucky break I was hoping for. Germans and Persians got contact with the Iroquois, no other AI had it. I bought it from Bismarck for 6gpt, I'm aiming on a long term good relationship with the chancellor :D Sold the contact around for WM, tech and gold, and sold the WM around, sold iro remaining tech. Result : WM + 100 gold, mysticism, literature. Anarres doesn't have literature so maybe I can trade it for another tech with him. The 80 for MapMaking paid off, I traded it to the iroquois for WM, 56 gold and mysticism. Which was all backward hiawatha possessed so now he's a poor backward little bastard.
The minimap looks like this:
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Good news: The Persians live next door to Anarres and they appear strong. Annarres told me he wants to go to war soon, my guess is he'll go for shaka first. If so I might be able to convince Xerxes to pick on Anarres [devil2][fdevil]A war against Shaka and Xerxes means two UU against you and prolly also 2 civs in GA. Hopefully the AI will discover republic soon, that way shaka and xerxes will benefit the most from it. Doesn't matter for me since the babs alrdy have their GA now. To prepare myself I built an embassy in Persepolis so Xerxes will like me better. Made a screenie of persepolis:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003422163544_ana_900bc_persepolis.jpg
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They almost finished the GW, even better. If anarres wants to attack Xerxes instead of the zulus that will make his life a little more difficult.
Told anarres he can buy literature and Iroq contact from me, I'll let you know what his answer his. I expect he doesn't want to buy it since he can prolly get it cheap from the AI.
WAR
After last turn, babs built the great wall, everyone switched to great lib iirc. Bad news because the persians have a fair chance to finish it and they're near to Anarres.
The good news: Anarres declared war on the zulus (or the other way around maybe, it's hard to tell). Dunno what happened but his army now rates average to mine which consists of: 3 spears, 5 horsemen, 18 warriors. That's not very impressive in my book. Shaka paid me construction and 50 gold or so to declare war on Egypt, I'll take that deal thank you! Next I had a little chat with mr Xerxes, he turned out to be prepared to ally with me against the Egyptians (anarres) and the babs (he's at war with them together with germany) when I trew in 7 gpt. I took that deal to. Xerxes is a powerfull mofo and immortals are hard to fight with war chariots. And no doubt both shaka and xerxes will hit their GA, I'm now hoping the discovery of monarchy/republic will be around the corner. keep you all posted
Anarres is fucked! But when he was in such a situation against me (true, a better one than this one of course), he managed to survive and even get better out of it!
But anarres should have known you would set up the Persians against him. I wonder why he did not got them involved against the Zulu's???
My guess is Anarres is broke, knowing him he micromanages everything. This means he almost without a doubt noticed the Iroquois contact was for sale, but still he didn't buy it. Explanation: no money. The same for the Persian situation. He must have known that I would bribe Xerxes so my guess is he couldn't afford the alliance with Xerxes, or maybe he thought I couldn't afford it after paying him 80 gold.
Anarres acted surprised when he found out I turned the Persians on him. Nice acting :D. My babylonian front was quiet. Rheims finishes another horseman and Chartres finished the barracks I whipped last turn at the cost of one citizen. Rheims started next horsemen this will be my springboard for an attack on Babylonia. Chartres started another spearman. I will go heavy on defense since it's not connected to th road network yet (4 more turns) and it's not on the invasion route like Rheims is. Which will mean Rheims will have a regular reinforcements from the french heartland who are on their way to the front. Also there was some bad luck as the babs dragged the zulus in a war against Persia. That may help Anarres a bit, instead of having to deal with both of em by himself they now may attack each other also.
Another turn finished. Anarres still hasn;t lost any cities and his amry turned strong compared to mine again. I think he whipped something in one of his border towns as I thought it was a 4 pop town and now is size 2. Suits me fine, destroy thoses citizens [guns]
The whole world suddenly has CoL and Polytheism. Detailed investigations show that both the zulus and iroquois lack Poly and the iro lack construction still. Trade hiawathe COnstruction for WM and CoL. Persia is broke and Rome suddenly is rich. My guess is Xerxes spent 500 gold to buy poly from Caesar or something. Pity since Xerxes war prepared to loan me money and Caesar isnt.
Checked the babylonian front by sending a horesmen in and out. Still very quiet. Next turn my iron is roaded and I'll upgrade 4 warriors to swords. Turn after I'll launch my attack against babylonia I think. Also my deal selling furs and gems to shaka fell thru last turn when his harbor got seperated from his capital by an egyptian border expansion. He has another harbor all the way to the East which is 2 tiles away from being connected to Salamanca. CONNECT IT YOU BASTARD. I need the money!!!! Hope I didnt get a rep hit for the canceled deal since it was all Shaka's fault. Luckily another 6gpt with shaka will end in 5turns so then I can upgrade faster.
OMG the Babs are coming!!!!![lol]
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If they keep sending cannon fodder like this, life will be sweet!
Last turn Anarres was strong compared to me again, but look what happened!!
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I suspect Xerxes is [hammer] Anarres. Go Xerxes go!!!
I connected my iron and upgraded 4 warriors to swords. 3 of em in Rheims so my bab welcome party is ready. Lets get those wines!
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Bad news is this amry compares average to the zulus, so I guess Anarres hit Shaka pretty hard that first turn of war.
750BC
in turn 750BC Anarres lost a city!!! Nice work Xerxes. My horseman defeats a bowman that appears at the border. Anarres made peace with the Zuluz, now that's not what I want. Luckily peace links Shaka's Harbor to Zimbabwe so I an bribe him into another alliance for gems, furs and 3gpt. It's quite a lot but my strategy now is to let Xerxes and Shaka harass Anarres without letup.
730bc
Anarres isn't pleased with my deal with Shaka. Here's the mail I got:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003427173528_ana_730bc_mail.jpg
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Also something weird happened with my alliance. Shaka war with egypt left hiim without a harbor. This means I can't trade my lux with him. Strangely our alliance isn;t broken but I'm not passing on lux according to f2! Look at the screenies:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/200342717375_ana_730bc_tradebug1.jpg
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I've got a sizeable army in Rheims now and the apparently this scared Hamu a bit because he turned his troops around[confused]. I'm not sure when to attack but it will be one of the nect turns. Kish here I come! Need to build a settler though because I want to capture babylon but need to raze it to avoid a cult flip.
690BC
Started the turn and saw this!!:D[lol][thumbsup]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003427235743_ana_690bc_battlefield.jpg
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Gifting cities to Hiawatha so they won't be taken. Suits me fine, now I only need to involve Hiawatha in this war somehow.
My own front:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/20034280018_ana_690bc_babfront.jpg
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Some good news when I ended my turn.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/20034280110_ana_690bc_greatlib.jpg
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Great lib close to home!! That will definitely be my war objective now. No more research necessary
Keep up the good work [hammer] Very entertaining spoiler thread you have here. Anarres is in trouble and you are doing great. I hope you don't mind that I am for the underdog now. I wonder if he will be able to get out of this trouble.
Next turn!
Anarres made peace with the Persians. Now that's not what we want. After a short conversation with my good friend Xerxes he agreed to ally against the egyptians again. This at the staggering costs of 18gpt but it's for a just cause :)
Anarres also had something to say about it:
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I guess that's his way of saying he isn't pleased.
so..., when will you play our game again (if ever... [rolleyes])?
I will today. Downloaded all the necesarry patching software so I can upgrade to 1.21. Seems the only solution since you never send me a 1.14 file. [cry]
You little threadjacker [cool]!!!
news
Anarres offered me polytheism when I would stop setting up the Zulus and Persians against him. Explained him that would be very unsensible from my point of view. Also the great library is near my borders and Hamu is already prepared to pay for peace. I'm gonna make a run for that wonder so don't need techs from Anarres.
quote:Originally posted by ProPain
I will today. Downloaded all the necesarry patching software so I can upgrade to 1.21. Seems the only solution since you never send me a 1.14 file. [cry]I offered this to you but never got an answer (or a save) from you! So, I guessed you were going to upgrade and play the save some day... But do the upgrade, you will have to anyway.. :D
BTW, have no mercy for anarres, hit him whenever and wherever you can!
Well I think that was all a miscommunication then. Doesnt matter, got your save and will upgrade tonight.
on the game vs Anarres I dont plan on letting him get any rest. He made peace with the zulus however and they just demand to much money. Romans declared war on the zulus in an alliance with the persians. Babs allied against me with the iroquois. Couldn;t care less since hiawatha is far away on an island. Will build some more home land defense however.
Things have been progressing like they did before.
Standard Routine
Anarres makes peace with the zulus/persians -> I bribe em to go to war again -> I receive MSN message that's not suitable for our younger visitors.
Anarres' war
Anarres has taken Arbela from the Persians [aargh] I really don't understand how he pulled that of. Doesn't matter I'm gonna stick with the bribing as long as I can afford it. Currently it's costing me a lousy 30gpt for both Persians and Zulus. I can easily handle 40 gpt even more when both of em connect their harbors to their capitals again, because I can pay in lux also. Right now each peace deal increases the alliance cost with 2/3 gpt. I'm guessing 4 more peace deals without lux will be possible maybe more when the war against Babs goes well.
My war
I started the invasion of babylon. Took Kish with little casualties. Hamurabi is friendly enough to send in his troops in small parties. I've taken out at least 10 units and lost maybe 2/3 myself. Retreat is a brilliant characteristic!
Hamu allied with Hia against me, which meant he didn't want to make peace without payment. After the loss of Kish that changed again. I'm aiming for the razing Ur and the capture of Ashur (great lib) maybe more if losses aren't too heavy.
Other civs
I suspect Anarres allied with the romans against the zulus, with triggered a wave of alliances (including babs/iro against me) Currently the world is at war.
I'll post some new screenies when I got my turn back!!
Final Turns!
As most of you know by now anarres resigned. I'll post some screenies and final developments to complete the thread.
Anarres and I picked up our game friday night around turn 103. As soon as I got it and studied it (been 3 weeks or so) I started my planned assault on Izibia and took it.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003610111741_ana_45bc_zariqum.jpg
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(this screenshot was taken in turn105)
Izibia itself wasnt that important but it had iron in its extended city radius which made it nice to have and it also wouldm ake negotiations with Hamu easier. I fought of some troops near Kish. Cost me about 4 horsemen and wounded some more to take a stack of 4 (2spears, 2 swords) on the hill next to Kish. Still my reinforcements were being build quickly so nothing much to worry about
Anarres was stilling hanging in there. Really amazes me, considering he's weak compared to me and Xerxes is strong compared to me.
turn104. Some deal with the Germans ends which frees up another 6 gpt. I'm making 18 gpt now and I'm paying Xerxes and Shaka an additional 30 gpt. I'd be rich if I wasnt paying for those MA!!
Mothing much, healing troops in Kish. I kill a Iro archer that landed on the east coast in the IT. Maybe if Hiawatha sends more troops for me to slaughter, he'll be prepared to hand over Byblos for peace!!
105 - before I start the turn I receive an email from anarres: he resigns! Opened the turn anyway. In this turn I finished the 'Ur replacement settler' in Rheims and switched some more cities to military production. Pity its over, Ur would have been mine!
Some screenies from turn 105 (450bc)
french empire
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003610112533_ana_450bc_frempire.jpg
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babylonian front
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The french expeditionary forces aproach Egypt [lol]
This galley contains a lonely horseman for scouting purposes.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003610112738_ana_450bc_egyptarm.jpg
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minimap
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diplo screen
lotsa war going on!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/ProPain/2003610112849_ana_450bc_diplo.jpg
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the end.
Lt. Killer M
10-06-2003, 11:48
congrats!
My congratulations ProPain
I've seen you suffer, sweat and swear about Annares, but in the end it did pay off.
A great succes!
What were your plans with the boat on the Egyption shore though?
Next time try somebody your own size
What about me?
Or don't you dare
you woossie
No problem mr. BigMouth! I'll take that challenge.
Name your civ and map conditions!
I am gonna get crushed big time
comparing the time you put in Civ and me....
well that would make me the underdog
That would be "the RoboSuck duel"! [lol]
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Melifluous
15-04-2005, 00:53
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