Someone make CDZ a logo!!

[anarres]

Or just steal one from somewhere else. ;)

See the 'snitz forums 2000' logo in the top left? I can replace that, but I have no graphics skill at all and little imagination.

If anyone can com up with a new logo I will be happy to replace it.

[Lt. Killer M]

I'll try to come up wiht something ;)

[GreyFox]

I could try doing something...

[Lt. Killer M]

anarres: what were you thinking off? I suspect you want something Civ3 related..... Do somehing with a unit perhaps?

[anarres]

Any and all suggestions on what to use, or contributions accepted!

I haven't realy given it much though, anything would be good really...

[smalltalk]

Will you keep the white background?

It is difficult to blend an alpha-channel against an unknown background. There usually are some artefacts, if there is a drop-shadow and the back-ground color is changed.

So either, one couldn't use a drop-shadow/blend or one couldn't change background color.

[anarres]

Sorry smalltalk, you need to rephrase using words I know... [:I]

[ERIKK]

HeHe :) :D

[smalltalk]

Sorry for babbling. [:I] too. Thought that anybody, who was able to set up a forum would know of these things.

[anarres]

Smalltalk,

I *was* interested in what you were saying, even if I didn't understand it. When I set up the forum I used a very good readme.

My background is programming and I have little knowledge of making webpages or graphical stuff. Tell me what you were saying in 'idiot-speak', and maybe I can learn something new. :)

[smalltalk]

Usually, an image is opaque. A rectangle.

What to do if you want a circle, for example against a white background?
-> Draw a green circle and make the outerior white -> e voila.

If you now change the white background to, maybe red, what will you see?
-> A green circle in a white rectangle against a red background.

Nowadays, images can be transparent.
Again, draw a green circle but now make the outerior transparent
-> this gives us a green circle against -any- background.
Please notice the sharp border of the circle.

The current logo also has a drop shadow, - no sharp borders- ,which blends from almost black to grey to white/transparent. You have to decide at design time, which background color you want to have or you'll get ugly artefacts.

Just put the logo on a blank page and change background color of the page. You'll see what I mean.

[anarres]

I get it now. :)

I will have to do testing then when I fuck with it. Got any suggestions as to what you'd like to see?

[WildFire]

[:0]
Thats a week for swearing anarres ;)

Its a good idea though. Its ur page, so u guys should be able to make it. Plus, I have no ideas. [:p]

[smalltalk]

Well, I see twin planets before my inner-eye, or a wall that 'encloses the universe, leaving Anarres outside, free'.

(I might try out something on weekend)

[smalltalk]

For a very crude first try, you might look at

http://212.227.80.187/extern/anarres.htm

Please note that the size doesn't match the original logo, and that a gif image will became very distorted if it is not displayed in its actual size.

[anarres]

smalltalk, I'm afraid I've given you the wrong idea. [:I]

I was thinking of a picture of something civ-related, as I am going to change the forum name to something without 'anarres' in it.

[DrAlimentado]

I'm not the worlds greatest graphic designer but here's a quick go at a logo (derived from the above suggestions)...


Image Insert:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/200347222325_logo1.gif


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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/200347222351_logo1a.gif


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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/200347222424_logo2.gif


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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/200347222441_logo3.gif


I was thinking about having an image showing thru the PBEM, but got stuck for ideas, it would have to be a fairly 'mono-colour' image though or u lose the definition of the actual word.

the colours used are just for clarity really - I'm happy to play around with it further/ try other suggestions/ ditch it, etc. let me know what you think.

[DrAlimentado]

umm, now I read this thread I see the suggestions aren't here... but I'm sure i read somewhere in here about using 'civilised'.. oh well, you get the idea :)

[smalltalk]

After looking around for a while, I found two motives:

It's still crude, no fancy drop shadows, no colors, no nothing.

1) the tower of babel



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003429223628_cig1b.gif
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[smalltalk]

2) Mail theme


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003429223814_cig2.gif
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BTW, how about personalizing the site and calling it:
Dan's Inbox Games ==> DIG

?

[anarres]

We have a name at last!!! [dance]

So, now we are the Civ3 Duel Zone (CDZ), can someone come up with a logo?

I hope we get a few ideas going here first, so don't spend hours over it just yet. If we get several ideas that look good we will have a poll to decide which one to use.

Ah, and no shading to white please, we may want to change the background. ;)

[WildFire]

Good, the one I wanted got picked :P

[DrAlimentado]

brainstorm:

the name Civ3 Duel Zone as background,

and how about 2 civ dudes (musketeers? swordmen?) on each side facing off for a duel? i'll knock up a rough thing to show composition.

[DrAlimentado]

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/2003528225340_CDZ_Logo1a.gif
8.99*KB


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/2003528225951_CDZ_Logo1b.gif


that gives you a rough idea of what I meant anyway...

[col]

Yeah - but maybe a tank v a spearman ?

[jack merchant]

I like it ! Very ominous....

[DrAlimentado]

hmmm, tank vs spearman. I did think of that first (cos the musketeers and swordmen images look crap [tongue]) but it wasn't as easy to get the right composition...

Still with a bit of resizing etc I've come up with these;

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/2003529201243_CDZ_Logo2a.gif

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/2003529212516_CDZ_Logo2b.gif

for the second one i put the tank behind the "duelzone" else it hides the letters too much. I tried resizing the lettering but it looked crappy...

[col]

I like the second one - maybe they could both be behind the letters.

[Skyfish]

second one better indeed
do a version with both in front
and a version with both behind

gotta see it to check it

[anarres]

It could be wider if you wanted...

I'm pretty sure you can put whatever size image you want at the top of the forum pages, as long as there is room for the stuff in the top right.

[Sween]

i like the top one of the last two. easier on the eyes then the one with the larger units. not as cramped. trust me, i went to school for that kind of stuff.

[WildFire]

I like either of the tank vs spearmen one. (make a poll)

[anarres]

Don't make apoll yet please, we should refine this until we come to a concensus or we can not all agree (in which case a poll would be useful).

Personally I think the image should be wider, I notice that the images by DrA are exactly the same size as the current image, this is not a restriction that needs to be followed.

[digger760]

i find the image harsh on the eye between the writing on the white back ground...somehow the way the words are shaded it draws my eye to that area.

[anarres]

Yep, I see it too now.

[DrAlimentado]

okay, working up some wider less-cluttered alternatives :), and I'll have a think about the shading too.

[DrAlimentado]

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/DrAlimentado/200353016441_CDZ_Logo3a.gif

here's a wider less cluttered version. I left the units big as with the extra space they all can fit easily enough, but I can do a small units version if wanted.

I also made the 'DuelZone' taller to hopefully reduce the glare from the civ3 shading going into a white BG... not sure if it really works though.
If anyone else feels their creative juices flowing please have a go! I just *really* want the rubbish snitz stuff gone asap!

btw - The more I look at the lettering the more I don't like it myself. I think I prefer the style that smalltalk used in his DIG versions so if he (or someone) doesen't show up and give us something I might have a go at lettering more like that.

[Skyfish]

Logos on white backgrounds are the most difficult to make, you know that.

I feel you need some kind of 3D effect on your lettering that will help it fit better with the units.
Some kind of shadow indeed.

Also you might want to have the initials C...D...Z... the same colour so that they come out much better.

[smalltalk]

Considering the term "Duel Zone", here comes a first shot! borrowing some glyphs from Firaxis and some images from Fred Zinnemans western "High Noon".

Gary Coopers rump has been cut in half, I hate it when this happens, but I found no better stills. Any ideas how to cover this up?

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20035311592_duelzone1.gif
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[WildFire]

Interesting, I kinda like it. Of course, it is PTW ;)

[smalltalk]

And this is the pic in place.

Definitely, the blue needs some adjustment. Personally, I'd prefer to change it into some ocre or earth-color. But that depends on the final color this site is going to have.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200353121233_insitu1.gif
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[WildFire]

I like it! We need a poll...

[anarres]

As I said before, we don't need a poll, at least not yet.

This is going to be around for a while, why not take our time and make sure we get it just right?

[WildFire]

We need a poll in a few weeks...

;)

[DrAlimentado]

I totally agree with anarres, lets be sure to get something we all like.

(in the meantime I admit I'd be tempted to put a placeholder over the snitz thing, even a blank .gif would be better! :))

[DrAlimentado]

smalltalk - I like the cowboy theme a lot, the lettering's okay as well but I'm not so sure about the action buttons... what do others think?

What I think we ought to do is just really brainstorm ideas, it'd suit me if we had a shitload of different logos to look at and between all of us could pick and choose bits till we come up with something really top-notch. To this end I'd encourage everybody who has the least bit interest to come up with something, dosen't matter if it's rough we just need to get ideas down atm.

[smalltalk]

Yep, the buttons are a makeshift solution. There are lot too many of them, three or four should really be enough.

More important: they hurt the first rule of user interface design: never make anything look like a button, which cannot be used as a button - unless you really want to drive your unsuspecting users crazy!

I originally had the Firaxis-CivIII logo running from bottom to top, but then it came out too small. The font is too light to allow for this. Now it runs from left to right, and there is some white space left that needed to be filled.

That's what I originally had in mind, but it lacks the impact of the red Firaxis-logo.

BTW, let's have a loong deadline, I'm currently moving. Oh, sweat!

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200353113439_statue_montage_merged_small.gif
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[smalltalk]

Talking of ideas:

how about a picture of Napoleon's troups using the Sphinx as a practicing target? Culture and War, two major ingredients of this CIVIII game in one image! What a metaphor for the achievements of our civilization.

Or am I being too cynical here?

[col]

I still like the spearman versus the tank. I think its the perfect identity for the forum ;)

[smalltalk]

OK, next try:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200361132721_speartank_small.gif
5.72*KB

Thank god that the spearman is not fortified on hills, so we don't have to bring two tanks for a sure kill. :)

The perspective is still a bit off, there is room for improvment. Also there is a bit too much white for my taste. And aren't "Duel Zone" in fact two words?

[smalltalk]

Some typography without any units so far:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200364234943_duelzone1.gif
5.92KB


And yet another theme: handshake after fight.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200364235328_shake3_small_flex_trans.gif
12.82KB


And, in regard to my above post: where would I find the image of a fortified spearmen? As far as I understand it, the pic should be in the .flc-file, and I'd need a flc-player to access it? Right?

[DrAlimentado]

The in-game pic would be in the flc yes. You can get flc-ster or sbb(?) from cfc utilities, I assume they'll let you export a single frame. If you have animation shop that does it too (but mucks up the file format for actually making civ flcs)

The pics I used are just gifs 'borrowed' from the cfc avatar list.


I think I'm leaning to the Tank vs Spear motif myself... but keep the ideas coming Smalltalk :D I'll add some more lettering variants myself in the next day or two to add to the mix.

[smalltalk]

Thanks for the info, DrAlimentado. You might already guess what I'm after... [rolleyes]

I got my spearman/tank pics from the Civilopedia - usually IIRC C:/Program Files/Infogrames Interactive/CivIII/Art/Civilopedia. There they reside as a pcx-image.


See you later
smalltalk

[ProPain]

I like what I've seen so far! Any more ideas, we really can use a logo by now. Let the world know our new name!

[anarres]

Yep, we really appreciate al lthe hard work, keep it coming!

[smalltalk]

Sorry for being late.

Here's an exploit of the Spearman/Tank theme. It comes in three sizes. Obviously, the lettering is still a matter of debate and quite exchangeable. I also feel, I should turn off map-gridlines.


small size:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003615233133_speartank_small_selective.gif
20.35*KB

This image uses a selective palette. As far as I understand it, the image might be 'garbled' on Macs and Linux-machines. If anybody is browsing from this OS' would you please report?


medium size:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003615233431_speartank_medium_2.jpg
15.07*KB


big size:
Of course this size is best, but it is insanly large.
(I guess this will break the front page, but it would work with a smaller typography, like the black one above.)

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003615233512_speartank_big_2.jpg
16.59*KB


I also came across yet another theme :D, so please hold on, there is more to come ...

[Aggie]

Wow, these are actually really great :D

[Grille]

quote:requested by smalltalk:
This image uses a selective palette. As far as I understand it, the image might be 'garbled' on Macs and Linux-machines. If anybody is browsing from this OS' would you please report?

I'm currently using Suse Linux, mozilla as browser. No problems here.

I like that theme, especially the those cool "in-the-pic" letters as shown in the first version. You may get rid of that funny "bubble" the tank is spitting at the spear,
perhaps it's possible to replace it by some better muzzle flash?

[Shabbaman]

Hey...

Just got an idea: if you'd ditch the obvious 'III', or just merge it with the 'CIV' (background, whatever) you can paste it really cool in the background, huge, with the mountain on front.
Like this: you see the huge CIV logo, then the mountain with the spearman and the 'duel zone' wrapped around them (I'm talking about the top picture, with the grid)
As a bonus, you could fix a huge rising sun in the background.

[smalltalk]

Grille:
thanks for the info. This is great news to me. It means no more enforcing 216 colors in web-images. Doubtlessly, the days of VGA graphics adaptors are long gone ... :)

As far as the 'shooting bubble' is concerned: yeah it's a bit dumb. I will have a look into the rifleman/infantry-files, maybe there's a better muzzle flash.

Shabbaman:
good idea to drop the III. Maybe this forum is still around when there's a Civ IV ==> no need to change the logo.
On the other hand, I've already tried to put the civ logo behind the island, and it came out to cluttered for my eye, but maybe I didn't try hard enough. I will post something along this line soon.

----------------------------------------------------

The bad news: I'm just having problems with the hard disk on my main computer: a blue screen telling me every now and then that the OS was not able to write to C:/ :(
I guess I will have to install a new drive and re-install all programms [cry], but my intuition says it's the hd-controller that is broke, which would mean a new mother-board...
The good news: all data is backed up, and I can do the work on a notebook, thank If'ny.

See you soon
smalltalk

[anarres]

Ouch! [B)]

Good luck on getting your PC back smalltalk.

On the name thing, we are called Civ3 Duel Zone, and changing the name will involve registering a new domain...

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by smalltalk

On the other hand, I've already tried to put the civ logo behind the island, and it came out to cluttered for my eye, but maybe I didn't try hard enough.

Well, the 3 is in the name anyway. What I meant is 'huge' btw. If you look at the top picture, resize the civ with a factor 2 (or 200%).

My HD was full yesterday. Pretty amazing. Must be CM4...

[smalltalk]

hd changed, system up and running again. :)


I'll try to get all pending ideas posted until thursday night.

[ProPain]

Goot to see your comp is working again! Looking forward to the logo's!

[smalltalk]

Two more tries with the typograhpy behind the mountain:


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200361921318_island_typo_red.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200361921356_island_typo_stone.jpg
10.13KB


I still feel it's more catchy to the eye to not have the lettering in the scene and then some other text behind it. But maybe I'm just being to conservative here :D

Here are the same ideas again, this time without text in the hills.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003619211236_island_sans_stone_lydian.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003619211334_island_sans_idustrual_regular.jpg
12.57KB

[smalltalk]

Well, about my new ideas, they did not turn into what I thought. All pics are all crammed with stuff and details. Sure they are fun to look at, but I doubt they are appropriate for a logo.

Basic idea was to illustrate the historic time-span of a civ-game.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003619213255_PYRAMID.JPG
27.68*KB


Or just confront the ages:


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003619213425_space_small.jpg
19.41*KB


Yeah, and then I got really carried away ...


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200361921368_space_large.jpg
26.57*KB


I guess thats about it, as far as new themes are concerned. I ran out of ideas [rolleyes] ... unless, well, isn't that space ship silhouette very remarkable, it just keeps reminding me on something...

[Aggie]

These are all great!!!! Let's have a poll :D

[Gothmog]

I'm new here, but how about something more like this?

A rough conceptual draft:



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Gothmog/2003619223357_GM_CDZ.jpg
31KB

[Shabbaman]

[lol]

So why should we nuke Suriname?

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200361921318_island_typo_red.jpg

I like this one.

[digger760]

I like this one, maybe you think it is cramped, but the font is a good one. If you think it is cluttered then maybe you can come up with a few variances with the same style writing.

quote:Originally posted by smalltalk
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003619213255_PYRAMID.JPG
27.68*KB

[ERIKK]

I like this one: it's simplicity is it's charm!

quote:Originally posted by smalltalk

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003619211334_island_sans_idustrual_regular.jpg
12.57*KB

[Skyfish]

Lets see it without that damned grid [mad]

[ProPain]

I like those last three all a lot Smalltalk! Great work. Time for a poll!

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by smalltalk

unless, well, isn't that space ship silhouette very remarkable, it just keeps reminding me on something...


Uhuh... we don't want that in our logo, do we?

[:o]

[smalltalk]

Shabbaman: I guess this image has the most impact in regard to its size. All other images are quite bigger.

digger: ...and I thought, the first thing to do to make the pyramid theme more clear was to get rid of that font.

Please note, that it should be no problem to attach any font to any pic. I do have a few lettering variants of each pic laying around on my hd - just didn't care to post each idea in a endless variety. Also, the black fonts could be colored or any other colors changed.

Skyfish: oh no, stupid me didn't turn off the grids! I will do a version without them.

ProPain: Those last pics sure convey kind of a story. Looking at them sober, I feel they ain't so bad. But especially the last, big pic would need a bit of improvement with the vulcano and the sky.


A few random thoughts:

Screen size: I guess you are all using at least 800 x 600 screens? This is important to determine the maximum image size. The htm-code devides the top part of a CDZ-page into to cells with 50% width each. At 800x600 res the save size would be 400 pixel minus maybe 20 for browser window frame and htm-page border.

The good news is, I inserted larger images into the page, and they won't break the layout, just cause the links on the right side to line-break. So we don't have to pay too much attention to image size.

Still I feel it would be a good idea to preview the candidate logos in place - like I did with the first shootist image, so there won't be no bad surprises. Or maybe all candidate pics should be compiled into one single, large image for easy comparison?

Also, there is yet no transparency, some images even use a drop shadow. But this can be taken care of later when the need arrives.


PS:
I guess, I won't be back until sunday night or monday.

[Gothmog]

No reason to nuke 'Suriname', just happens to be the exposed landmass in the picture - which is one of my favorites. It's a real picture from a mars probe on it's way out and testing it's camera. I find it interesting to see the moon without the shadow of the earth on it, but not full. Awesome perspective, IMO.

Of smalltalk's I like the one Shabbaman posted, but I think it will be better without the grid too. Of course then we might not want the 'duel zone' to be in the gridded perspective either.

[Aggie]

I like the one that digger favours. Awesome pic and it pictures our bloodlust.... But also the one that Shabba likes is great.

[col]

Some great ones here - time for a poll??

[smalltalk]

Good to see it's not yet a poll, 'cause here's some more. I hope it is not too confusing to see so many variations, but I guess you will speak up and help to sort out - you wouldn't want a poll with as many options as voters ...

First: the island with type but without grid. I guess, Gothmog has been right by anticipating that turning off the grid might damage the overall look of the pic.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20036231929_island_typo_nogrd_red.jpg
18.06*KB

Anyway, instead of redoing all above pics without grid - which still can be done if need be - I went for two new styles:

#1

This is the basic lettering, arranged according to DrA's initial proposal.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362312222_SIMPLE.JPG
12.57*KB


Adding some color and the map:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362312349_island_nogrd_binner_brown_400.jpg
11.16*KB



While the mountain looks quite good, it uses up lots of space, so I changed it into pine forest.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362312539_pine_right_binner_shrink.jpg
12.54*KB



or like this:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362312642_pine_below_lithograph.jpg
12.64*KB

[smalltalk]

#2

good design is, where there is nothing left to be taken away. So if I already got rid of the mountain, why not get rid of the map completely?

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20036231322_speartank_green_binner.jpg
10.3KB


There has been a lot of talk about the spearman vs. tank phenomenon. It's kind of a running gag. But if you ask me, I will file a victorious spearman under 'heroic epic tales'. This always make me think of Conan/Schwarzenegger ...

My favourite units, the most precious ones, are rather settlers, leaders or early workers. They make my heart beat faster, while I won't mind the loss of a spearman or a tank.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362314219_inset_leader_green.jpg
9.26KB


This is borrowed from the Civ-interface:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362314357_stone_drop.jpg
16.97KB


There is also an buttonized version of this without drop-shadow.

BTW, I didn't think of one thing: there is not transparency for jpg-images, is there? So background color will be fix.

[smalltalk]

Some clean ups for the pyramid picture:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362315329_pyramids_binner_white.jpg
21.66KB

same thing in red:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20036231546_pyramids_binner_red.jpg
34.87KB

or

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362315452_pyramids_left_red.jpg
38.43KB


and yet another

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20036231562_pyramids_lest_down.jpg
26.39KB


Bye for now ...

[ProPain]

I like the leader ones and the 1st three of the last post.

[smalltalk]

I felt that this layout might be a good idea - alas it isn't. I will post it anyway.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20037920563_perspective_no_island.jpg
16.77*KB


One more thing: I just got me a dvd-copy of Akira Kurosawa's movie 'Kagemusha'. The cover features some awesome pictures of samurai. I haven't watched the movie yet, so I don't know if there are any usefull images in it. In any case, it won't have much to do with civ3 glyphs.

But I wonder, if this thread will have a deadline, and whether it will be measured in days, weeks or months?

[smalltalk]

The Kagemusha pics:

beautiful colors, but no real connection to civIII.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003721215458_beach1.jpg
19.89KB



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003721215535_battle_red2b.jpg
21.01KB



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200372121568_battle_horizon.jpg
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[ProPain]

I really like those last ones. Especially the first and the last.

[Skyfish]

Let's get rid of this fuckin' SCHNITZ stuff ASAP [aargh] [wallbash] [mad] [mad2]

Those last ones are beautiful Smalltalk (indeed 1 and 3) !

[anarres]

PP! You're back! [party]

I have a suggestion. I want to run several graphics for a week at a time. At the end of it we can have a vote on the best design. We can also add new designs as we go along.

Any objections?

[smalltalk]

quote:Originally posted by anarres
We can also add new designs as we go along.

:DWell, I still feel that the skyscraper pic might be worth an overhaul. Maybe I'll try to fix Gothmog's post into it. It has a really fascinating perspective.

Anyway, if there are any more ideas, I will surely post it before this thread runs down.

[Ehecatl Atzin]

what happened to the western theme one? I kinda liked the dead guy [evil]

[ProPain]

Anarres, yep, I'm back. Bit caught up in work and laundry after the holiday but I'm totally ready for CDZ again. I'l like the week trial periods. Let's start this weekend. What's the proposed order?

[anarres]

The order is unimportant to me PP.

I just chose an early suggestion and did it (as I guess you can tell ;))

Edit: The placement is a little off, once we decide on one a single design we will center it properly.

[Aggie]

The current one by Dr A is a nice one, but I surely like a couple of the suggestions of smalltalk!

[anarres]

Well I thought we could go roughly in order and the ones earlier than DrA's I thought would not make the runoff.

Don't panic Aggie, we will get to them all in time. :)

[smalltalk]

quote:Originally posted by Ehecatl Atzin

what happened to the western theme one? I kinda liked the dead guy [evil]


Hmm, maybe a black&white or a monochrome logo wouldn't be best for this site. I really want to see colors. Too bad that I got no colored stills from this movie. I remember to once have seen a colored film poster but could not find it on the net. And aren't shootists and sheriffs way off from Civ?

Anyway, the CivIII-logo in the initial versions is a bit lame; you might want to consider this:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003729213145_cooper3b.jpg
12.71*KB

or in site-color blue:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003729213228_cooper3.jpg
13.27*KB

Or should I go back to black for "Duel Zone" [???]

EDIT: frankly, I would not vote for this theme.

[smalltalk]

have been trying to fix some of the satellite photographs into the above spaceship/city logos. No results yet, that are worth posting, except maybe two spin-off pics:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20038720462_moonrise4.jpg
21.84KB


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200387204654_moonrise5b.jpg
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[anarres]

smalltalk, can you pick the earliest of your graphics that you think is a likely candidate?

Better still, come on MSM if you can, my email is civ3_AT_danwilliamson.net

[smalltalk]

Sorry, no MSN. Just don't know how to do this. [embarrassed]. I tried to start a program called Net Meeting, but it can't handle the proxy here. (Or I can't handle the right setup of the program?) Sometimes I'm just too ignorant about those modern telecomunications technologies...


Anyway, I do like the handshake-after-fight theme. Imho, of all my suggestions it has the best metaphor for this site. Alas it's black and white, it's small, and it doesn't have a big visual impact - so I'd discard it.

I'm not a fan of the all the island+spearman+tank motives either: noble ideas that failed, so I'd drop all of them as well.

I'd propose to use the image, where the spearman and tank is arranged like in DrA's post:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362312222_SIMPLE.JPG

or maybe the Civ3-interface logo with the leader:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200362314357_stone_drop.jpg

[anarres]

smalltalk, I set it to the first image you suggested.

Net Meeting is not what you want at all, download MSM from microsoft if you can.

[smalltalk]

Maybe the pic should be a bit smaller? Or more exactly: have less height?

[Shabbaman]

I like Logo2.jpg better than the previous one. This one is much sharper. Good thing.

[DrAlimentado]

The lettering on the current logo (logo2.jpg) looks fantastic imho. I'm not totally sold on the tank/spear arrangement with it - I do really like the tank/spear motif but maybe they need rearranging or sumfink? Could be as simple as putting them on the same ground level, I'm not sure, they just look slightly 'disjointed' in some way to me. Smalltalk - for the record your doing a great job of juggling with our somewhat random requests so a big [goodjob] for your efforts and persevering with us :)

I also really like the Kagemusha images, not sure if we can relate them to civ really but aesthetically(sp?) they are very fine indeed.

[Skyfish]

What happened to the [goodjob] smiley ??????? It's the second time we "lose" a smiley [sad]

[anarres]

weird, very weird. I will check.

[anarres]

So, I checked Sky and I found the only thing at fault was our memory of the smilie list. [:o] [mischief] hehe

[smalltalk]

quote:Originally posted by DrAlimentado
I'm not sure, they just look slightly 'disjointed' in some way to me.

Thats because they are slightly disjointed.:D I'll fix it soon.

[anarres]

I changed it again. :)

[Aggie]

quote:Originally posted by anarres

I changed it again. :)


From the three I have seen so far, the second one looked best (the lettering was great indeed).

[smalltalk]

You were right, DrA.

I feel this looks better:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003818194053_simple1b.jpg
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I also increased the size of the tank. If the spearman is so big, it looks as if he could stand a chance against the tank!


While being at it, I also changed the horrible grid on the currently running picture.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200381819448_island_grid_serif.jpg
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Or completely without grid:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003818194447_island_nogrid_serif.jpg
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or halfway similar to one of the site colors:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003818194539_island_nogrid_serif_blue.jpg
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BTW, have you noticed, that the spear and the tank fight a civil war? Both are of blue color.

[anarres]

OK, I changed the current one to the latest version of it.

[smalltalk]

regarding my above assumption, you were all browsing with 800x600 at least ...
[lol]
As CivIII players, you certainly got 1024x768 pix available. Don't you?

Maybe I should move the island a tiny bit to the right.

[DrAlimentado]

excellent work smalltalk :) nice improvements to both!

[anarres]

On the colour issue: Can we make one red and one blue if we have 2 units fighting?

[Skyfish]

The pix is better in that one however the letters/fonts are not as good as last week...
Also they should definitely blue vs red [sad]

[Gothmog]

I agree with sky, I liked the font/letters from the last one, but the picture from this one.

Red blue, or other color scheme for the combatants would be cool too.

[smalltalk]

Oh Skyfish, I thought you'd hate huge bold capped fonts! [rolleyes]

I'll see what I can do to combine the island-picture with last week's logo.
Maybe you could give me some clues by commenting on the pics, where I changed the mountain into pine forest. First problem I can see with those, is that they are scaled down from the original size.

Changing the units' civ colors might take a while, if I have to go back to the flicster stage of the process. But probably it can be done in my image editor.

(The red an blue civs are rome, babylon, germany + ?, so I guess I could never depict an impossible constellation!)

[smalltalk]

Here are the updated versions of the pics.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003824162732_simple1c_redtank.jpg
16.99*KB

EDIT:
removed artefacts around muzzle flash.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003827202928_island_doveblue1.jpg
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with more contrast in the lettering:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003827203130_island_doveblue_sharp.jpg
21.54KB


Island set a mite to the right:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003827203447_simple_island_black.jpg
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and two color variations:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003827203518_simple_island_blue.jpg
22.72KB



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003827203539_simple_island_bluegreen.jpg
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[DrAlimentado]

the blue looks nice... but I think the black/white lettering has more impact.

maybe you could move the island a smidge to the right.

[DrAlimentado]

oh, and the red/blue colours look great! :)

[smalltalk]

Edited my above post.

[Skyfish]

You know now that I see the ladder (http://www.civ3duelzone.com/ladder/qryPlayerLadderNormal.asp) with the Kagemusha
picture on black background I am 100% convinced this is the graphic line the site needs to take, it really looks *awesome* !
The logo and the black (inverted) background.

[Gothmog]

I'm with DrA, the red vs. blue is a nice improvement and the black/white lettering has the biggest impact. The island will look better once the border is invisible, atm my eye wants the peak to be centered between the lettering and the border.

[goodjob]

We could give Kagemusha a try up top too though.

[ProPain]

Time for the next logo! So, anarres, when you're sobered up from your visit to DrA. [lol]

[anarres]

You can do it too PP! ;)

[Aggie]

A month has gone by. I like the current one, but I've seen even better examples!

[ProPain]

and I picked another one. Maybe it needs a little transparant border because it sits quite close to the forum now.

[Shabbaman]

I liked the previous one better.

[Aggie]

This one looks a bit over the top if you look at the rest of the page. It's also a bit too dark imho. So I agree with Shabba. However, I think that we have a lot of others that are better looking than the previous one.

[anarres]

which ones? make a suggestion as to the next one you want...

[DrAlimentado]

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003827203447_simple_island_black.jpg

I like this one.

[Aggie]

I agree with DrA

[smalltalk]

Took me a while, cause I was hanging out behind my music gear, neglecting the outside world...

Anyway, about the previous picture:
1) in contrary to what I have posted above, I grew fond of the theme and especially the color. It fits nicely to the page.
2) there were tiny specks of blue above the Civ III - logo. I'll take care of this soon.

The current pic:
- added some border and brightened up the pic.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2003101163432_BEACH2b.jpg
23.21*KB


About the next pic:
how about trying the pyramid pic?


EDIT:
darn, maybe now the CivIII shadow is too bright, what do you think?

[Aggie]

Better, definately :D

[Skyfish]

Very nice Small talk I really like that last one...with a touch darker shadow ;)

[ProPain]

replaced the logo woth your updated one. Me likes it a lot!

[smalltalk]

Reworked the currently running pic, leaving the CIVIII-font alone and dark.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20031015201636_beach3b.jpg
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[Socrates]

[bump]

I had an idea for a new logo, I hope some will like it and will make it. :D I'm not a fan of the current logo.

I thought of a image where you can see 2 men doing fencing, and maybe they could each have a Civ-ish make up, like heads of leaders, and/or a Civ-ish background... I think I had this in mind while I was watching the Olympics last summer, woah that is long ago ! [lol]

Comments welcome.

[Pastorius]

Crazy old men with sunglasses go around reviving threads all the time [hmm]

Oh I happen to like the current logo. It would be cool to reinstate the image switcher script that was here for a while though, since smalltalk did do a bunch of nice logos.

But whip together a logo there Krys, and we ll laugh at you then, oki ;)

[Socrates]

quote:Originally posted by Paalikles

Crazy old men with sunglasses go around reviving threads all the time [hmm]

Yes. :D

quote:But whip together a logo there Krys, and we ll laugh at you then, oki ;)

Oki. :) Remember the cup I drew for the chess tourney ? [lol]

I think you don't like playing more than 1 turn a day in our game, I wonder why... [hmm]

[smalltalk]

Well, I have been looking for other motives - and I did find a few candidates.

Let's talk about it again, when Civ IV is available.

[smalltalk]

Civ IV is available now.

So I wonder what your thoughts about the logo are?

- stick to the Civ III? Like some football-clubs do: TSV 1860 for example.
- change it to Civ Duel Zone and thus meet all future civ-version with one logo?
- change it to Civ IV Duel Zone? I feel a logo with a version number looks better typographically than plain text.

(EDITH says, we have a member much more skilled in graphics than me. :))

[romeothemonk]

I like the idea of a new logo.
We can have a spearman vs a tank.
Below it would read
CDZ
Be the Spearman

[Energy]

Or maybe a completely black picture. That would represent what i see on my screen when playing civ4! :)

[Shabbaman]

It should be something with "CDZ" and either the text "'tis the most foul cruel and
bad-tempered thing you ever set eyes on" or "we eat ham and jam and spam a lot" [hammer]

[Mistfit]

Before I start on this do the Admins really want a new logo and name?

What parameters do I have to work in?

Any serious ideas for content?

I thought my first would be a funky look [mistfit]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005119163345_funky_cIV.png

Keep in mind that when I do these I will post them for layout and content brfore I spend the time
cleaning the image. I know they are rough to start with...

[Socrates]

I'm for this site being called just "Civ Duel Zone". If you think we're done with Civ3 you're just wrong. ;) And I like my former idea for a logo. Mistfit, any idea about it ? :D

[ProPain]

CivDuelZone would be nice. I think we even got the domainname covered already.

New logos are welcomed :)

[Mistfit]

Allrighty then... Let the games begin...

[smalltalk]

Here's some new stuff I might give a try aside from a few old pics.

Obviously I have been plundering the movie history. I feel, some of the pics are overpowering, because they are known for themselves, making it harder to associate them with civ.


Anyway, without much self-censoring:



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512832538_church_heli2.jpg
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Look, they haven't even finished their cathedral yet.



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512832432_charly_dont_surf.jpg
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The macho option: Charly don't surf. Not really appropriate for this forum, but a great shot.



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512832718_heli8.jpg
9.24*KB

Naw, I don't like it. Actually I wonder why I didn't take a "Smells like victory" shot.



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512832834_grail_1.jpg
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One of my favourites. But perhaps much too well known to be really applicable.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512832923_grail_2.jpg
8.82*KB

From the same movie.



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834126_lawrence_2.jpg
11.61*KB

To Akkaba.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20051283429_lawrence_3.jpg
16.56*KB

Again, too well known. Yet perfectly good free space to place the text in.



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834325_lawrence_5.jpg
12.02*KB

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834355_lawrence_7.jpg
12.8*KB

Good layout, don't really like the colors however.



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834451_shuttle.jpg
10.04*KB

With some cropping a great image , but I guess the Starship might not be the victory condition choosen most here.


Not convinced of these, because they are black and white, will post them anyway.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834844_strangelove_warroom.jpg
12.08*KB

"This is the war room. You can't fight in here."

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834919_strangelove_pro.jpg
7.48*KB

... and the purity of our essence is our goal.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834959_strangelove_final.jpg
9.51*KB

[smalltalk]

never mind this post

[DrAlimentado]

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200512834959_strangelove_final.jpg

Yeeeeeeeeeeha! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha!


best. film. ever.

[Shabbaman]

"Our spam is backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

[Socrates]

Hehe.

@ smalltalk :
"Charlie don't surf", maybe used in a movie, but was it created by the Clash in Sandinista! in 1980 ? :) (great album)
To Akkaba : Lawrence of Arabia ? (good movie)
Dr. Strangelove : excellent ! [goodjob]
And you can delete your useless post if you want...

@ Shabba : Great quote ! [thumbsup]

[Pastorius]

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

"Our spam is backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"


Is that the slogan then?

CivDuelZone
-our spam is backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS-


nucelar for the dyslectic, or those with their own dictionary ;)

Me like the nuke pic, but I thought the war room pic was also good.
Would be interesting to see if you can make some with civduelzone on, and perhaps poll them.

You sir, are the reason why smalltalk is not necessarily small talk [thumbsup]

[smalltalk]

quote:kryszcztov
"Charlie don't surf", maybe used in a movie, but was it created by the Clash in Sandinista! in 1980 ? (great album)
It's from Apocalypse Now.


quote:Paalikles
Would be interesting to see if you can make some with
civduelzone on
Yes, that was the plan. ;)

quote:You sir, are the reason why smalltalk is not necessarily small talk [thumbsup]
Jesus, Paal, you are the first person to adress me as "sir".

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "top brass monkey". http://212.227.42.12/extern/smileys/salute.gif

[Mistfit]

Not real happy with the text yet but I am messing with it anyway...



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005121617738_logo.gif
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[romeothemonk]

I like it!!
Well, the red text could use some work, but the general concept is great.
Nice work smalltalk and Mistfit!

[Melifluous]

"Our Spam is Backed [u]WITH</u> Nuclear Weapons"

[meli]

[Shabbaman]

Awful font, great picture! Could you get the same font and colors as in the current logo? You know, for consistency's sake...

[worship]

[Mistfit]

Who did the text before? Smalltalk?

I can post the pic alone and let him take over if you guys like the pic

Edit: Here ya go...

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/20051216184134_WarRoom2.jpg
39.79KB

[Shabbaman]

Any progress on the logo?

In other news, any progress on the civduelzone.com domain?

[Mistfit]

No response from smalltalk so I decided to give it a try

I think I matched the font for "Civ" pretty well but I could not figure out how to outline the "duel zone" I also could not match the font exactly either.

This is however what I've come up with.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005122723350_CDZ_logo.png

[Shabbaman]

Looks pretty [worship]

[romeothemonk]

Excellant Smithers!!

I think we have a winner

[Mistfit]

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

Looks pretty [worship]


It's not to "American" like my logo's [finger]

[Shabbaman]

You're right, this one is not that fat ;)

[Mistfit]

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

You're right, this one is not that fat ;)

How very nice... I make a logo for you and you call me fat. Nice guy [backstab]

[Darkness]

I like it... :)

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by Mistfit

No response from smalltalk so I decided to give it a try

I think I matched the font for "Civ" pretty well but I could not figure out how to outline the "duel zone" I also could not match the font exactly either.

This is however what I've come up with.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Mistfit/2005122723350_CDZ_logo.png


I just noticed that the picture isn't merging with the black square next to it. Not so very pretty.

[Mistfit]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/Mistfit/CDZ_logo2.gif

[Shabbaman]

Nice mistfit! See your photoshop qualities have improved! Now, if PP could fix the new domain...

[Mistfit]

quote:See your photoshop qualities have improved!
heh... saving a file in a different format is not a difficult skill to master [:p]

[Socrates]

I propose this for the new CDZ logo :

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/kryszcztov/200638233713_OL.gif
3.97 KB

;) [tongue] [tongue]

[Pastorius]

Krys, I thought you were more of a Paris St. Germain type [:p]

[Socrates]

quote:Originally posted by Paalikles

Krys, I thought you were more of a Paris St. Germain type [:p]

I'm more of a not-very-interested-in-football-in-general-but-then-keen-on-watching-international-matches type of guy. ;) And in France, people like me support any club from France doing well in international matches. Two years ago it was Monaco in C1 (they were beaten in the final !!) and Marseille in UEFA (beaten in the final too !). But Lyon is about to win the French championship for the 5th time in a row and are doing better and better in C1 each time. They are the team to support here, like Marseille was some 12-15 years ago. :)

[Darkness]

Sorry Krys, but I like Mistfit's logo better... ;)

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

Nice mistfit! See your photoshop qualities have improved!


What a pity. I noticed that at work the logo looks differently than it looks at home. Here I can still see that the original image doesn't merge with the black square properly. Must be because this monitor has higher brightness.

[Pastorius]

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

Nice mistfit! See your photoshop qualities have improved!


What a pity. I noticed that at work the logo looks differently than it looks at home. Here I can still see that the original image doesn't merge with the black square properly. Must be because this monitor has higher brightness.


Same here. I actually found the version that shabba disliked to be better merged than the latest

[Shabbaman]

The second one is even brighter indeed, couldn't see that at home. But the white space to the left of the image is gone, a real improvement.

[smalltalk]

[wavey]


Half a year later [blush], I finally managed to dig out the old fonts and install them.


Here's some tries with the final bombrun theme.


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2006624211415_drop_02_bw_clearwhite.jpg
16.38*KB



http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2006624215626_drop_02_grey_bleeding.jpg
17.98*KB



some color might be nice:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/2006624215728_drop_02_blue_bleeding.jpg
18.88*KB


too much of everything might be not:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20066242237_drop_03_nausea.jpg
27*KB

[Shabbaman]

Damn, that looks awesome!!! [worship]

[Matrix]

I like the last one, the red one! It's a bit too big though.

It never occurred to me before to watch this thread. Mistfit's logo is great too! Why haven't we installed that one three months ago?

[Darkness]

The last one is great! :)

[Pastorius]

Like the last one too

[Beam]

I like the last one but prob. even better with the same perspective for all characters in "CIV".

[ProPain]

Some quite impressive logos in this thread!! In good old CDZ tradition we can poll em.

I aim to poll on saturday, so a week left for all you graphic wizards to fine tune them :)

[DrAlimentado]

I like the last one too except I prefer the 2nd to last one for the way the bomb is more distinctly visible, not sure how you get it like the last one but with the bomb more visible though? maybe the last ones lettering on the 2nd to last ones background? :D

[Beam]

quote:Originally posted by ProPain

Some quite impressive logos in this thread!! In good old CDZ tradition we can poll em.

I aim to poll on saturday, so a week left for all you graphic wizards to fine tune them :)



Very good indeed, another good CDZ tradition is some thoruogh discussion prior to poll, I mean about our identity, do we really believe in reincarnation, is the moon flat and made of green cheese, what is the name of Emperor Charles' dog etc.

@smalltalk, isn't this Dr. Strangelove final scene we're looking at?

@ Mistfit, I lile the composition it is jsut a bit black.

[Mistfit]

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4892/cdz18gi.jpg

[Shabbaman]

Heh. That one should be animated. "And now for something completely different."

[smalltalk]

quote:Originally posted by Matrix

It's a bit too big though.
They are all a bit too big.
quote:Originally posted by ProPain
I aim to poll on saturday, ...
[eek] Can't we expand the deadline please for about ... a few months? [whistle]
quote:Originally posted by Beam
@smalltalk, isn't this Dr. Strangelove final scene we're looking at?
It is.

I love the scene, that's why I looked at it first.

Personally I feel, the shuttle theme and the Black Knight theme might be worth a try as well.
quote:Originally posted by DrAlimentado

... with the bomb more visible Totally agree here. The bomb and the letters should be clearly visible.

The actual background is quite nervous and overwhelming if shown in full.

[Shabbaman]

quote:Originally posted by smalltalk
[eek] Can't we expand the deadline please for about ... a few months? [whistle]


No! You just have to post here more often [hammer]

[BCLG100]

so are we having a poll?

[smalltalk]

Had a try at the Strangelove-pics again. I don't like the colors, and I guess I start to dislike the futura font "CIV" is set it. Shouldn't even be posting these pics except to keep you updated.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/20067817951_set_out_02_b.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200678171044_set_out_01.jpg
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Compiling the following pics, I felt the shuttle is not so much a symbol for the future, it's more a symbol for what people in the seventies envisioned to be the future. So not a good idea either.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200678173625_shuttle_01_a.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200678173711_shuttle_01_b.jpg
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http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/smalltalk/200678175528_shuttle_02_d.jpg
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[Tubby Rower]

I like the first or second ones in smalltalks last post

[Beam]

I am with Tubby. Maybe try a couple of different fonts and add some shade to the font so the missiles target is not CDZ but something in the BG pic?

[Mistfit]

I've given up trying as I like smalltalks so well. I agree with the CIV font need to be modified though

[Furiey]

I like the first 1 in smalltalk's post 33 above, I do like Mistfit's "Our spam is backed with nuclear weapons" though.

[grs]

I like the fist in 33 better too.

[Shabbaman]

What fist? [punch]

Really, that first one is just... great. What about that poll you promised us PP?

[Shabbaman]

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[Socrates]

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

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If it's not followed by a move to vBulletin, why bother...

[Pastorius]

All Krys wants for Crimbo is vB

[BCLG100]

haha i hunmorously misread what paal said!

[Matrix]

What's the status? Are we ever going to have a new logo?

I've seen so many good suggestions, I think we could just have a poll...

[ProPain]

If you set up a poll, I'll change the logo to the winner.